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(07-03-2013, 02:20 PM)Naunet Wrote:(07-03-2013, 04:28 AM)Black Wrote: Again, I see your points and agree: Having an RP label to the server would be grand and draw interested folks to it, but on the same token, one has to be cognizant that RPers also have a bad reputation of elitism among a segment of general players. In fact, this may be the root of the reason we are seeing on the Beta Forums of some people not liking the concept. From a casual/PvP-lover perspective, it show preference to one segment but not another. So, why not make server labels for them?We should not have to feel like we need to hide from other players. It's ridiculous. Those who dislike roleplayers will dislike roleplayers, and there's naught to be done for it save laugh in their faces and keep on roleplaying.
The name thing you kind of blew out of proportion, as it was only one point out of many that I made (and not, I think, the most compelling). An RP tag would also allow GMs to discipline those who would grief roleplayers, as a side note however.
Again, just trying to let you see both sides of this. I hope that you got my other example: Players who didn't even consider Roleplayers or who looked at unfavorable stereotypes/tropes and made a decision based on that. Sure, there are those that do dislike roleplayers "just because..." but I have seen other players turn against RPers because of how some past RPers treated them. One example was names, but there are other examples (like the X-Men-in-my-Fantasy thing I also alluded to).
I don't think you are lumping all players into one category and "laughing" at them, at least I hope not. But maybe my style is different. I am more patient and try to "win" over the person...or at least make them walk away with an understanding and hopefully douse the flame of that particular person/troll.
I don't think you are seeing my point and looking at things on the other side. Again, I wouldn't mind the label but GMs disciplining is not an exact science and neither is the basis of people filing reports against a person that may have to be investigated.
Actually, my main point is this : Not every RPer is going to agree with the way someone else RPs. It may be a name or it may be their theme (X-Men) or just something else that the viewer doesn't agree with. These type of people have been reported on in past MMOs and when they are for relatively benign reasons, they get angry and turn on the RP community, in most cases, calling them "Elitist".
I feel that understanding is a two-way street. It may be a harder road to travel, but I get more reward out of it in the long-run. I have seen the dark-side of both communities.
Also, GM-enforcement would require staff to look over it. Maybe they could or maybe new people would have to be hired. This is one of the big reasons, among many, I do not see so many "RP" labelled servers.
Again, I know some MMOs do label, but given past resistance of S-E, who seem to be talking about it for this length of period of time...I dunno... I have to ask, "What is the hold-up? What is the concern on their part to not slap on a RP label, especially since it's gone on for this long?" I know Kylun and others are trying to convince them, but others in the company need convincing. Their may be reasons you do not see. In fact, stepping-back, I would say my whole response(s) to you were triggered by your comment of, "It's 2013. That shit is kind of basic." because it may not be basic. I know RPers are a segment of the player population, but how do they stack up against casuals? Heck, from all the server sign-ups that have opened/closed, I see S-E is a bit more concerned with balancing their population evenly across all servers: You can see that some servers are/have been closed to new players. They may be thinking one server would be ill-proportioned population-wise while their other servers are free and empty but no one is joining.
That may beS-E's real concern atm. Simple spreading out of the player population, as could be the concern of any MMO company trying to fill all their servers with enough players. From that end, it seems like a good reason and "basic".
Maybe if this was the reason or we understood it more, one could convince S-E to be more forthcoming with a RP label?