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(10-01-2013, 12:19 AM)Theodric Ironheart Wrote: It doesn't really matter whether it's a hobby or a professional job - everything in existence can be handled incorrectly whether people want to admit it or not. I suppose it's because I'm a realist but I've never really believed in the mantra of there being no right or wrong method when tackling a task. Incidentally, when multiple people are involved in a particular activity then there's the additional element of accountability to consider.
If someone isn't a team player and has no intention of improving themselves then they deserve to be called out in a constructive manner. I don't really believe in brushing issues under the rug, though I do try to eliminate the bad apples from my radar entirely and seek to offer aid to those who show promise and a willingness to learn.
Role-play is typically done for the sake of enjoyment. Some people take it more seriously than others and are invested to different degrees. If 'no one cared' about these things then there wouldn't be a debate in the first place. There needs to be an element of balance involved in role-play. Too much elitism is bad, but too much tolerance is just as dangerous and damaging. Creativity doesn't thrive when it's stifled at every turn, though it doesn't thrive if anything and everything is branded a 'good try' even when it's outright awful, inappropriate or illegal.
...is there a wrong way to tackle a task? Barring methods that don't actually complete the task or that break the law (and in this case, the game's ToS)? Any ways that don't break the rules are not inherently "wrong." They may be bad, ineffective, wasteful, etc. but they are not incorrect.Â
I do believe that when you see an RPer who seems to be lacking in skill, experience, or awareness, you should try to reach out and offer them advice. But if they disregard your advice and continue doing things their way, they're not in the wrong for it.
If someone wants to godmod and powerplay and metagame and what have you, or just tipe lyke dis, people likely won't want to RP with them. That's totally understandable. But if they realize they're not being courteous to others and are fine with that idea, there's really nothing you can do about, and they're still not necessarily "wrong." As crazy as it sounds--and I have seen it many times before--they will still find people with the same relative views and skill level, and they will have oodles of fun RPing with them. You can sit back and wonder, "How on earth is this fun for anyone?", but regardless of your wondering, to them, it can be fun.
RP takes two (at least) and someone can't "RP at you" without your consent. That's why I've never really understood complaining about someone doing something discourteous or RPing in a way that you don't approve of. Move on. Tell them you won't RP with them. Block them. Whatever. If they won't compromise or take your advice, then be done with it. No one can force their RP onto you, just as you shouldn't force your ideals of what constitutes "good RP" onto them.
(10-01-2013, 12:34 AM)DAISHI Wrote:(09-30-2013, 05:53 PM)BlessedSilence Wrote:(09-30-2013, 04:29 PM)DAISHI Wrote: The context for this is several people I've been around that RP their internal thoughts and I'm not sure if they understand that I can't react to those. This just happened in the last hour in fact. The post is just a sort of public statement for RPers. If you're RPing internal thoughts, others around you won't necessarily react to you or your mood in the way you want them to unless you actually act it out rather than emote everything as an internalization. Which has previously led to some asking why others seem to be ignoring what they're RPing.
(09-30-2013, 04:15 PM)FreelanceWizard Wrote:Glad you mentioned metagaming, that's one of the big principles of the hting.(09-30-2013, 04:01 PM)IncubusManatee Wrote: Isn't this just common sense?
Well... there's a variety of points of view on this, I've found.Â
Personally, I don't emote anything about my character's internal state unless it would be obvious to an onlooker from her actual actions ("L'yhta's tail rises, peeking out from behind her shoulder in interest"); I prefer to show, not tell, as much as possible. Since my character's not a mind-reader, like DAISHI, I also don't respond to people's emotes of internal state unless, again, it'd be obvious to my not especially socially perceptive character.
Throwing out thoughts and beliefs that characters aren't privy to doesn't really help RP very much, IMO, because they can't be responded to ICly without metagaming. It can come off as needless emote showboating or even trollish if your inner monologue is disparaging of another character, as they can't respond to it ICly and just have to "take it." If you need to let a person in on what's going on with your character to help with RP, an OOC tell is probably the better way to do it as there's no question of etiquette at that point.
Instead of getting upset, have you tried sending them a tell? Â Amazing how much OOC communication helps. Â They could still be learning how to RP or may not know the right way.
I admit I fall into doing it sometimes, mainly as I am used to RP on forums for many many years. Â But I guess I've also taught myself how to "look past" and realize when a person just wants to RP but might not know how to "fit in".
I'm not upset at anyone, and I don't think my tone comes across as upset. I'm just saying it's at least metagaming. In my opinion it's bad writing, too. Ergo I put this helpful notice up.
Putting details about your character's inner thoughts and feelings is in absolutely, no way metagaming. Is it metagaming to post a bio for your character? Because you're sharing information about your character not only outside of your character's direct speech and actions, but even outside of your RP? That's just silly. Seeing someone share their characters unexpressed thoughts and having your character automatically know all of their character's thoughts/reasons with no logical, justifiable reason is metagaming. There's a big difference.
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