(07-21-2014, 02:02 PM)LiadansWhisper Wrote:(07-21-2014, 01:54 PM)Natalie Mcbeef Wrote: The issue is you can't save everyone. Even if you have the best of intentions. Resources are *always* limited, it's stated in the quests that Ul'dah is really draining it's coffers to help the refugees it already has.
Edit, and yes, I can. For example, if somone rents a property from me, and they don't pay, I'd kick them out. Maybe they'd be on the street, maybe they'd die, who knows? But if I don't pay my own bills, that would happen to me next.
Same thing with child molesters and serial killers. With any justice system you have to strike a balance between being sure you don't convict an innocent person, and wanting to convict the guilty. You might let someone go who might be a serial killer, because you believe it's important that you have more solid evidence. That serial killer might go out and kill someone. On the other hand, maybe you do convict them, but it turns out they are innocent, and they get the electric chair. Which of those would be evil? Would they both?
But that is not what's happening here, Natalie.
This isn't a case of someone not paying your rent and you evicting them (but my god, good luck with that, because unless you live in Arkansas, there are some strict laws on how you can evict people).
This is a situation where effectively homeless, destitute people have flooded an area that has systems in place (apparently - tho why the Flames are doing it I'm not sure!) to care for them temporarily. Â It's kind of akin to the refugee camps set up around the world, only in Ul'dah. Â And minus, you know, bare necessities like a roof over your head or clean water.
These people have no connections.
They have no power.
They have no say, because they are not citizens.
The thing is, your example doesn't work because the obligation of the government towards the destitute and needy is entirely different than the obligation of the individual towards those same people (unless, of course, you subscribe to those religious beliefs that say that, actually, yes you do have an obligation to help them).
You booting out a bad tenet is not the same as a city-state's government putting repeated roadblocks in the way of refugees integrating into society, finding jobs and/or getting out of the shithole they're currently in. Â And it certainly isn't the same as a politician using his political power to scam already weak and vulnerable refugees out of what little money they have.
It boggles my mind that you seem to be advocating that Lolorito is (or could be) this great leader because he makes "hard choices." Â Lolorito is a corrupt scam artist. Â Most people would agree that putting a corrupt scam artist into a situation where he can gain yet more power is a bad idea.
Could you explain to me why this is Ul'dah's problem? They are already doing more than the other city states to help the problem. Also how is lorilito a scam artist, or corrupt? He agrees to give the refugees food, he's not gaining anything from that.
How about this, you may be right that Syndicate is evil, but if so the Governments of Limsa and Gridania are even more evil by not even attempting to help the refugee problem. If you agree to that, then we'll be in perfect alignment (heh).
