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RE: Blood/Void Magic. |
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04-22-2015, 11:46 AM
This is purely me speculating, so... take it as you wish.

"Blood magic" in a lot of places is a bit of a misleading term -- it has little to do with an actual magic type, and more of a system on how to augment magic. The use of blood (from a few drops from one's own finger to the sacrificial slaughter of hundreds) is a powerful boost to magical workings - it's an offering of life's energy/force that can have an influence based on where, what, and how it was collected. The old 'Blood Rite' ability Sounsyy linked sort of reinforces the idea to me.

A CNJ/WHM pricks their own finger as a 'sacrifice of self' to boost a healing spell, or similarly a SCH uses their own blood/blood from willing donors for their healing formulae.  A THM/BLM uses blood collected from a sacrifice as an 'offering of destruction' to boost their own spells/rituals, and Void-based magic requires some quantity of Void blood. An ARC/SMN could even get particular when it comes to collecting/sourcing based on their spells: Bio uses formulae inscribed with the blood of a carrier of a particular disease, Egi- formulae use blood from sources that have a particular affinity to aether or devotees (Egi-Titan requires blood from some animal that's particularly 'Earth-y' in nature, or from Kobolds)...

Regarding the Demon Wall, the big question would be... who's blood was it? If in their heads SE followed one of the more common trains of thought on the idea, the blood used would've been willing donations from the inhabitants... or the blood of beasts that were bred, raised, and trained to guard. This would validate the Sympathetic Magic angle that was brought up earlier -- "this is our place/this is something I guarded" would boost something made to guard.


(04-21-2015, 02:25 PM)Erik Mynhier Wrote: THIS IS NOT LORE! THIS IS MY OWN PERSONAL THEORY BASED ON PATTERNS IN THIS GAME THAT SHOW OTHER FINAL FANTASY GAMES!

Taking that a step further from your theory, what if this ancient Magi magic (blood magic) was discovered during the mage wars by White Mages, maybe an off shoot. Some small group looking for a way to tip the scales. So you have White Mages delving into their Black Magic roots without relinquishing their conjury. You could see such a group like that being looked on with disgust by other White Mages for taking the skills of the enemy. And the same with the Black Mages, they would see them as corrupt (by white magic) throwbacks (from magi magic). Both sides would see these magi as abominations, their robes stained red from the blood of their magics, they would be called with contempt......

Red Mages.

That I see as a set up for the magi of red, blood being the main component. That would deal with the white/black dichotomy while still providing a unique mechanic both ic/ooc for the job. Just a hunch really. With the demon wall you have demonic power (void) given life (conjury), the two magics fused into a new magic with blood. Just my thoughts.
This is actually similar to the theory I used in my FFXI RP. 

I haven't played other FF games, so I don't know how they are there... but in XI, a RDM had some combat viability (provided they're not pressured into straight-gearing/meriting for healing...). In the RP, a 'true' Red Mage went into combat -- they had to be willing to spill blood and have their own spilled. The blood that they spilled from physical combat could be funneled to augment their black/elemental magic. When their blood was spilled while defending themselves/others, it could be used to augment their white/healing magic. The Convert ability was a sacrifice of blood (HP) for 'emergency' access to magic... stuff like that. A Red Mage that simply stood in the back and just cast spells was often called a "grey mage" as a sort of insult -- there was nothing 'red' about someone who only casts black and white magic.

... I'm rambling...
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RE: Blood/Void Magic. |
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(04-22-2015, 11:46 AM)Mae Wrote: This is purely me speculating, so... take it as you wish.

"Blood magic" in a lot of places is a bit of a misleading term -- it has little to do with an actual magic type, and more of a system on how to augment magic. The use of blood (from a few drops from one's own finger to the sacrificial slaughter of hundreds) is a powerful boost to magical workings - it's an offering of life's energy/force that can have an influence based on where, what, and how it was collected. The old 'Blood Rite' ability Sounsyy linked sort of reinforces the idea to me.

A CNJ/WHM pricks their own finger as a 'sacrifice of self' to boost a healing spell, or similarly a SCH uses their own blood/blood from willing donors for their healing formulae.  A THM/BLM uses blood collected from a sacrifice as an 'offering of destruction' to boost their own spells/rituals, and Void-based magic requires some quantity of Void blood. An ARC/SMN could even get particular when it comes to collecting/sourcing based on their spells: Bio uses formulae inscribed with the blood of a carrier of a particular disease, Egi- formulae use blood from sources that have a particular affinity to aether or devotees (Egi-Titan requires blood from some animal that's particularly 'Earth-y' in nature, or from Kobolds)...

This has sort of been how I've interpreted blood magic in XIV: an augment. My character either has very poor aether control or very low aether sources so she has been using blood (chiefly with arcanima as of now but I really want to delve into THM/BLM territory for 3.0) as an additional source to give what she can do a some much needed OOMPH.

The bit with the Egi is really intriguing to me as well. Originally when I had thought about letting SMN be sort of an IC thing, I wondered if it would be feasible for someone without echo to be able to call one up, and I had toyed around with the thought of using blood sacrifice as a means to accumulate the crystals/aether/aspect rather than having to go and wreck a Primal.

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(04-22-2015, 12:02 PM)cuideag Wrote: The bit with the Egi is really intriguing to me as well. Originally when I had thought about letting SMN be sort of an IC thing, I wondered if it would be feasible for someone without echo to be able to call one up, and I had toyed around with the thought of using blood sacrifice as a means to accumulate the crystals/aether/aspect rather than having to go and wreck a Primal.
In theory, yeah. A looooot of crystals of the correct aspect and blood from the corresponding Beastman tribe could work -- it'd be like officiating over a mini Beastman summoning and just hijacking the tiny 'Primal' that manifests.
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04-22-2015, 09:44 PM
This reminds me of a simpler time, when THMs were using spells like scourge and DoTs as opposed to three spells....ah the glory days...

Being serious though Id say that its just an extension of magic in general. Sticking a term to it only makes it more complicated than it needs to be. As an example of what I mean, white and black magic are said more than once to have the same roots and the like. Im assuming this is one of those "other branches" of magic that either aren't officially named or is just really powerful versions of already existing spells.

I mean, so far if we are looking at magic feats, we know that we can summon primals with more than just crystals, we can summon our OWN personal primals for around 200 crystals or so(bite me it happened its canon. COME AT ME BROS), and we can sort of turn people that are still leaving into voidsent. There are a number of other odd examples but this is just to help my point.

As far as the demon wall tidbit...I thought they were just giving a callback to FFXII or some such. If I had to guess just WHAT it was Id say a demon either put under contract or enthralled once half summoned into a wall to be a guardian. Im starting to go off on a rant here so I'll just end my stuff here.

TL;DR: Its probably regular magic with extra stuff we don't know about yet. Conditions and standards type of thing.

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