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Warren Castille · **08-03-2015, 07:05 PM**

(08-03-2015, 05:49 PM)War Siren Wrote: How do others who work event security handle situations with players that have to make a ruckus, and refuse to acknowledge any kind of event security trying to hush them down or remove them?

There's not a thing event organizers can do about this kind of thing. The jerkier ones will rely on godmoding to force a result if needed, but online RP always has a thousand "I'm not afraid of anything, and I could kick your ass in a fight" people milling about.

Flashhelix · **08-03-2015, 07:07 PM**

(08-03-2015, 07:02 PM)War Siren Wrote:
(08-03-2015, 06:38 PM)Flashhelix Wrote: In a world where the average adventurer (which seems to be a suitable FF equivalent to "loser with no real day job") takes on living cacti that can fire needles at lethal velocities, lightning-powered cheetah monsters, beastmen, etc. then "Person bigger than you" can cease to be all that terrifying.

I think something that's worrying is that you saw his character, a hyur, and naturally went "A hyur, well, they must be terrified by a roegadyn." I think it's assuming quite a lot to just expect a certain IC reaction and then blaming it on some kind of OOC bleed.

Unfortunately, the people playing the characters are the ones who get to choose how their character sees yours, not you.

If somebody walks into a public event, starts shit, then refuses to deal with the consequences, that's definitely not okay. But from how the OP words it, it seems it didn't even get that far, and that the problem wasn't what the character did, but the character not instantly backing down and being in terror of the OP's character, because obviously any character would be terrified by such a bonafide badass, right?

I find it weird that the general sentiment in the thread is "Man, all these stupid people just wanna play badasses" when the OP's problem seems to be that the person didn't properly acknowledge their character's badassery.
Yeah... no. The problem was addressed, the person was asked to leave IC because I didn't want to bleed OOC into IC and they refused. The issue was more the person not respecting event security, and continued to add to causing a ruckus after they were asked to stop.

Way to be an ass about it.

Well, if they were still causing a ruckus, that's not alright. I said that exact thing in my reply.

(08-03-2015, 06:38 PM)Flashhelix Wrote: If somebody walks into a public event, starts shit, then refuses to deal with the consequences, that's definitely not okay.

But your post doesn't mention that, it's worded as if the main problem was his character not being intimidated by yours, so I based my reply off of that assumption.

I'm sorry you found my tone offensive.

Seriphyn · **08-03-2015, 07:12 PM**

For what it's worth, my character mostly defers to Roegadyn when he encounters them. As a Highlander, he recognizes he comes from a long military and martial tradition that is most definitely superior to Midlanders, Miqote, etc., but coming across a Roegadyn, he is compelled to be respectful. A sense of superiority invokes a sense of humility where appropriate too, I suppose?

Warren Castille · **08-03-2015, 07:20 PM**

(08-03-2015, 06:38 PM)Flashhelix Wrote: In a world where the average adventurer (which seems to be a suitable FF equivalent to "loser with no real day job") takes on living cacti that can fire needles at lethal velocities, lightning-powered cheetah monsters, beastmen, etc. then "Person bigger than you" can cease to be all that terrifying.

Just because you have killed a tiger doesn't mean you stop looking for snakes. There's certainly enough "I'm so badass I'm not afraid of anything you can't tell me what to do" roleplayers in the game to fill an FC or three, and to my understanding that's what's going on here.

Flashhelix · **08-03-2015, 07:26 PM**

(08-03-2015, 07:20 PM)Warren Castille Wrote: Just because you have killed a tiger doesn't mean you stop looking for snakes.

No, but if you can kill a tiger then nobody would fault you for thinking you could kill a snake too.

Kiur · **08-03-2015, 07:36 PM**

Kiur's concept as a character has a built-in level of paranoia. Her WoW version is very powerful but her FFXIV version has been devolved, so she has even MORE reason to wear her heavy armor all the time considering she's far more mortal now than ever.
That, and her rewritten history has had her beaten, maimed, and gnawed on by a Drake so these days, she decks herself head to toe in plated armor.

I find some level of pride in this.

Warren Castille · **08-03-2015, 07:48 PM**

A few more thoughts on this: It comes down, I think, to rapport between characters. If you've never seen a person before in your life and they come up to you and begin telling you to do something, you're not liable to comply. If it's an altercation like the OP presents, you're sure as hell not going to let yourself be cowed by some random stranger trying to intimidate you. I don't know if you had any sort of experiences with these people before, War, but anyone playing a courageous sort is inclined to put up a strong front when confronted by someone new.

-no longer matters- · **08-03-2015, 08:01 PM**

(08-03-2015, 07:48 PM)Warren Castille Wrote: A few more thoughts on this: It comes down, I think, to rapport between characters. If you've never seen a person before in your life and they come up to you and begin telling you to do something, you're not liable to comply. If it's an altercation like the OP presents, you're sure as hell not going to let yourself be cowed by some random stranger trying to intimidate you. I don't know if you had any sort of experiences with these people before, War, but anyone playing a courageous sort is inclined to put up a strong front when confronted by someone new.

I have and let's just say that was not positive either, for unrelated reasons.

V'aleera · **08-03-2015, 08:34 PM**

(08-03-2015, 07:48 PM)Warren Castille Wrote: If you've never seen a person before in your life and they come up to you and begin telling you to do something, you're not liable to comply.

If you're* out for a stroll in nothing but a dirty tank top and some old jeans and a random stranger decked out in full combat gear points their assault rifle in your face and tells you to do something, what are you liable to do?

*proverbial "you"

Warren Castille · **08-03-2015, 08:39 PM**

(08-03-2015, 08:34 PM)Intaki Wrote:
(08-03-2015, 07:48 PM)Warren Castille Wrote: If you've never seen a person before in your life and they come up to you and begin telling you to do something, you're not liable to comply.
If you're* out for a stroll in nothing but a dirty tank top and some old jeans and a random stranger decked out in full combat gear points their assault rifle in your face and tells you to do something, what are you liable to do?

*proverbial "you"

Depends on whether or not that person's punched a dragon to death with their bare hands, or is a veteran of a major war, or has the power to defeat gods in their fingertips.

Valid point, though.

Caspar · **08-03-2015, 10:11 PM**

It's just something you have to deal with.
Even in real life, it is possible to feel uneasy around something that otherwise shouldn't be that threatening. A rabid animal, for instance, is smaller than you often enough and yet still can make a person feel nervous. I've tried to express that with my character, because there is a sense of wrongness about her, but you sorta come to accept that getting across the cute is easy, but scary not so. I rely on emote description to transmit what they can react to. If they choose not to, that's their business. I'm not going to guilt them for not being scared. It's a two-way street. You can't really make them react in a certain way; they're not your NPCs.

There are a lot things that my character isn't afraid of either. I think it's reasonable to have a person be hardened to violence and monsters in such a world, and not be intimidated. There are things that scare her in a rather minor, non-serious sense, and some that could be classified as severe phobias. I feel it's good to have a few weaknesses.

industrythirteen · **08-03-2015, 10:43 PM**

This is an issue I've run into with roleplay from the very beginning in my experiences RPing in MMOs. This is my number one pet peeve in RP. It's a lot of posturing, which gets really old, really fast. I don't find it cute. I'm not entertained by a bunch of chest beating, and even less so by people talking about how badass they are in-character. Talk is cheap, don't tell me; Show me that you or your character don't have a chip on their shoulders or something to prove to yourself or others.Â

I talk to them OOC and ask what they want out of the RP, and if they just want to throw their weight around, I disengage and ignore because chances are they aren't interested in cooperating or entertaining anyone but themselves. If they want to entertain folks with a fight, then we discuss how it's going to go, and what will work out for both parties.Â

If someone wants to cause a scene in-character, I think it behooves them to contact people out-of-character first to set things up so that no one is put on the defensive.

edit: some additional thoughts I just had. There is nothing anyone of us can do to enforce our authority, whether we have it, or we perceive that we have it, in any situation. There is nothing that will make anyone go along with what we have to say in RP, ever, because it's not enforceable due to the limitations of the mechanics of any given game that we might play. There's no dueling in FFXIV, there isn't any open world PVP where people might have to defend themselves if they mouth off to the wrong person. This often makes me feel like my hands are tied, and why I am so quick to disengage from a situation because if someone doesn't want to cooperate out-of-character to make for a better in-character interaction, there isn't anything to be done about it, and I'd rather not waste my energy.

Coatleque · **08-03-2015, 10:56 PM**

Lack of fear comes from lack of age, lack of experience, lack of respect, and lack of maturity. It has nothing to do with role-play the majority of the time. It has everything to do with being anonymous online and wanting to look tough or cool because you can't do so in real life. It is a selfish and narcissistic attitude that says "look at me, I'm more badass than any of you" regardless of setting or lore.

It has been argued that in a fantasy setting such as this where people and monsters are all magical with what we may consider super powers, that the very idea of fear would be diminished. I would argue for the exact opposite because you can't tell if that Lalafell staring down that Rogadyn has a better grasp of Aetheric concepts. Where as in real life you can see someone's bulging muscles and realize you're in a world of hurt.

Flashhelix · **08-03-2015, 11:53 PM**

(08-03-2015, 10:56 PM)Coatleque Wrote: It has nothing to do with role-play the majority of the time.

Actually, it's roleplay, so it has everything to do with roleplay.

Caspar · **08-03-2015, 11:53 PM**

(08-03-2015, 10:56 PM)Coatleque Wrote: Lack of fear comes from lack of age, lack of experience, lack of respect, and lack of maturity. Â It has nothing to do with role-play the majority of the time. Â It has everything to do with being anonymous online and wanting to look tough or cool because you can't do so in real life. Â It is a selfish and narcissistic attitude that says "look at me, I'm more badass than any of you" regardless of setting or lore.

It has been argued that in a fantasy setting such as this where people and monsters are all magical with what we may consider super powers, that the very idea of fear would be diminished. Â I would argue for the exact opposite because you can't tell if that Lalafell staring down that Rogadyn has a better grasp of Aetheric concepts. Â Where as in real life you can see someone's bulging muscles and realize you're in a world of hurt.

That's a good point. I hadn't looked at it from that angle, but I figure perhaps that differs depending on a person's experience. Perhaps it could be seen as the mark of an unseasoned warrior to assume a smaller enemy or a fairly harmless looking monster is not dangerous. But it does seem likely someone with experience would fear different things, like not being able to properly judge an enemy's intent or skill level from appearances alone. That could easily make a fighter almost paranoid.

And also, it could be that the use of magic in such a setting means that those who can't use it are immediately suspicious and fearful of such harmless-looking enemies. For those who cannot fight, too, the use of magic might make them paranoid of, in a non-combat sense, others using aether to pull a fast one on them in various ways like manipulation of air currents to steal something from them or glamors to deceive them and sell them junk. I suppose it depends on the personality of the character in question as to how they respond to all the possible generators of fear in the setting.

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