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V'aleera · **06-26-2016, 10:37 PM**

(06-26-2016, 10:27 AM)DoomsdayClock Wrote: It wouldn't shock me if less lalafel were in Ishgard to begin with, based less on any racial commentary, and based more on what benefit they would get there. It might just be my view of the spuds, but I don't see a lot of growth or profit for them in that region, not to mention the climate...it wouldn't be worthwhile for them to set up much there..beyond maybe a trade route or something. Its also likely not worth the danger of the conflicts there.

Ignoring their more dire conditions post Calamity, Ishgard was always a fairly wealthy nation. In fact it was Ishgard's offer to open trade that drew Ul'dah into the Autumn War in support of Gridania. Having sole control over the entire Eorzean chocobo population probably contributes to that.

***Teadrinker*** · **06-27-2016, 01:59 AM**

(06-26-2016, 10:34 AM)Sounsyy Wrote: So, let me revise my previous statement. Is there racism in Ishgard? No more than any other city-state and lore evidence seems to direct it almost exclusively at mix-race children. Again, something that is stigmatized throughout all of Eorzea. The minority races we see in Heavensward (Highlander, Roegadyn, Miqo'te, and Lalafell) are all well received, even the foreigners, so long as they show merits.

Ugh, excuse my tangent though. Race locks peeve me off.

I'm picking up what you're putting down but it feels very hair splitty to me. I get that race locks aren't something you're necessarily in favor for RP-wise but from what's available in the lore I've drawn the conclusion that those not of Hyuran or Elezen decent would be unheard of in the upper echelon of Ishgardian society. Xenophobia is pretty much synonymous with racism to me as well but that's arguing semantics.

This is one of those stupid world building details people squabble over that Square probably isn't going to go back and detail on, especially with Ishgard moving in the more progressive direction it's going.

Something I see becoming a thing is people being able to pledge to Ishgard as a city state perhaps at the end of the expansion when they release the Ishgardian housing wards. Hopefully, that would open a door to the Temple Knights and the Order of the Dragoon by extension. That's just my speculation, though.

savail · **06-27-2016, 08:46 AM**

Wow, this has all been great information to read. Even outside of a character perspective, learning more about the lore is always fun (I like to lurk the official forums with the naming info sometimes just to read all the neat information people dig up from time-to-time). I notice no one really touched on the Elezen-using-a-Lalafell model; any chance of feedback specific to that? The Au Ra info is about what I suspected, not really surprised there. It was pretty nice to see that there are precedents for other races in Ishgard, though I'm hesitant with the lack of any identified higher class of races other than Hyur and Elezen, especially because I don't think the Roe examples are quite what I'm looking for. I didn't get the impression that those guards were very well off the last time I went through MSQ.

Sounsyy · **06-27-2016, 08:33 PM**

(06-27-2016, 08:46 AM)savail Wrote: I notice no one really touched on the Elezen-using-a-Lalafell model; any chance of feedback specific to that?

It's not unheard of for people to use Lalafell as models for very young children of other races, usually toddlers. Though, you may actually be mistaken as an adult Lalafellin character also. But from your post you were saying your Elezen would be 12-14 right? The problem I foresee is that we actually are exposed to a fair few Elezen teenagers in this age range... and they look nothing like Lalafell.

[Image: Nicoliaux.png]

*Nicoliaux age 12-14.

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*Haurchefant age 12.

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*Alphinaud & Alisaie ages 16.

If you're going for an Elezen character, it may be less suspension of disbelief to just roll with an Elezen model at minimum height and the "youthful" face option, which is Face #1 for both Wildwood and Duskwight females. Then add her IC age in your Search Comment. Or minimum height Hyur, if you choose to go Hyur. Think Face #1 and #5 are the most youthful looking.

Anyways, hope that helps!

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