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Warren Castille · **09-15-2014, 09:18 AM**

Well, there's "forcing" RP in walk-ups, but that can always be avoided by walking away or not going to the place we're in. I'm with you, for the record: I think if we decide to off ourselves, we don't have to answer to anyone about it except ourselves.

I just also understand that by severing the connections the character had with others, we're railroading them into a depressing storyline they might not want to have to embody.

I just think of Aya crying when she finds out someone died and it's a sobering thought.

Kage · **09-15-2014, 09:27 AM**

Personally I RP for myself just as much as I RP to tell a good story. I set Kage up so that I see how he and others react to things because that's what I'm interested in.

If I think I can do a character death justice I would definitely go through with it.

For now, I'm so very reluctant because the PVE character Kage is my main. It's the only one I have with a lvl 50. I -raid- with him. As such, I really will only do a death when a) not in a raid static and/or b) it doesn't cost me 3 days to change his name. I've still got fantasia so it works out.

Warren Castille · **09-15-2014, 09:31 AM**

I'd be a lot more inclined to kill myself if I could namechange. It's hard to give up my spot in the world both PVE AND RP, but I like hurting people emotionally with RP. The best stories are the ones that make us feel!

Coatleque · **09-15-2014, 09:32 AM**

As it stands right now, no, I would not kill Coatleque. The only reason is because I don't have the ambition to level and gear up yet another character.

That said, this game has the unique advantage of Fantasia potions. If SE would offer the ability to just as easily rename your character, then YES, I would more readily agree to kill her off. Then I could rename the character, fantasia a new look, and start over RP-wise without losing any progress.

I guess what I'm saying is I'm not so attached to her as a character as I am to her OOC progression progress. Especially with all the time I've pumped into the relic weapon already.

C'kayah Polaali · **09-15-2014, 10:29 AM**

Yeah, I absolutely would. I play C'kayah at a fairly low-power level (that is, he's not a superhero, he's an ordinary guy in FF), and he's a risk-seeking criminal, so there are a lot of potentially lethal situations he can run into. He's actually crossed over three times in the course of play, and has been pulled back by others (once with my OOC assistance - hi, Kiht!) at the last moment, which has ended up giving him a strange outlook on death.

That said, I'll echo what Roswyn said about coordinating OOCly with other people. Not necessarily that your character is going to die (in two of the three deaths of C'kayah, there was basically no warning. He died from injuries sustained in an surprise attack), but simply that your character is killable. I have ended up having OOC arguments with people who I play with because of our differing views of the killability of our characters, and believe me when I say that's not a fun argument to have, especially if you're feeling strong emotions because of the death scene you're currently playing out, or have just played out.

Siha · **09-15-2014, 10:41 AM**

My honest answer with myself, no probably not. Not before I felt that the character's story was played out. I'm immensely attached to my main and while I often think of scenario's where she would and could die I don't think I could actually kill her before her time was done and I felt that I wouldn't have regrets about it.

I will say this though, that I intensely admire those who can handle being able to kill their mains, like has been said it's a very powerful storytelling device sometimes and I envy those who can wield it to an extent. Now kind of commenting on the two perspectives about if it's ok to kill your character with/without permission:

I'm of two minds on this one because it is your character and the death may be for an OOC reason, you have to keep yourself happy or your RP will suffer, so maybe you just can't play that character anymore and rather than abruptly changing their personality you'd rather end them and let others remember them the way you'd want them to. Or it could be for any other number of reasons. I completely get that it's your character, BUT, on the other hand I also see the other side of the spectrum because I have been on it. While the character that my character lost DID come back, she didn't know this and when he kicked the bucket it changed her story and her completely for a time. She went from naive, friendly and hopeful to desperate, closed off, and depressed. If left that way it's possible that she could have changed completely in both personality and her story in general because she was traveling the path of very dark magic in any hopes she could bring him back.

Minus all that rambling, the death of a loved one can be traumatic to your character and completely change the way they're played so yes it does affect others in a very large ripple, so I can see some people taking it as a smack in the face when you decide to kill said character. To clarify though I don't think it's wrong on either side, just that I can see both sides of the argument clearly. Not helpful but certainly my two cents!

K'nahli · **09-15-2014, 10:54 AM**

Maybe.

TheLastCandle · **09-15-2014, 11:07 AM**

I had this discussion with the player of Yve's IC partner very recently, actually. I came to the conclusion that no, I couldn't. I'm far too attached to my main to have him killed off. I feel differently when I'm writing stories independent of a game setting, but my primary motivator here is to have fun. And simply put, that wouldn't be fun for me. I'd rather imagine him hanging the weapons above the mantle, growing old, and eventually finding his peace naturally. I'm a bit of a softy.

Eva · **09-15-2014, 11:17 AM**

Absolutely.

WeÂ hemmed and hawed a lot around killing Eva off during the events of the Calamity - in part because it seemed pretty clear that most of the folks I RPed with were going to survive.Â In the endÂ we hatched a story about how she came to be at Carteneau Flats and she survived.Â As odd as it may sound, I do sometimes regret this and wonder at how different things might be if we used that opportunity for a character rename and appearance reset to start something totally new - a character that "fits in" a little better maybe.Â I guess for all her quirks and tragedy andÂ awkwardness, we do enjoy RPing her and the sort of strained relationships she has with her peers.

Would we perma-death now?Â I'd still think about it, if a situation arose where it would make sense perhaps.Â As she's a single mother now there would be considerations to make for what would happen with Liv and Len.Â And the thought of leaving behind orphans seems to complicate matters.Â Would another character step forward and take them?Â That could drastically change their story, in turn.Â That could be a good thing or it could be a bad thing.

IfÂ we were going to quit things or start a new character at this point I don't thinkÂ we would kill Eva off.Â InsteadÂ we might just have her settle down somewhere in Coerthas and kind of give up the adventurer lifestyle and live quietly and raise her children.Â There's a certain allure to being able to still call upon her (perhaps as an alt) for those instances where someone might want to go and visit her.

Roen · **09-15-2014, 11:29 AM**

If I felt that my character's story was done, or it has come to a point where death would complete that story, I absolutely would.

What I would miss are the connections that the character has made, the relationships, and the memories she has created with other characters. That takes time to nurture! To start over again with a brand new character ... it would mean having to start from scratch all over again, meeting people, forming new friendships.

Which could be fun in its own right, but still, death of my character would also mean end to those relationships which for me are just as important as who she is.

As for considering death as a possibly to make a RP situation more "realistic" ... I think you can discuss with those involved to still come up with serious realistic consequences other than perma-death to give the story the weight that you want it to have.

As for OOC progression? I would just use the transfer/same name character creation/transfer back method to change and fantasia a new toon so I still have a well leveled/geared character I can RP/play with. That doesn't bother me one bit. I do wish though that SE would allow easier way to change names. I would love to just pay a fee for it.

***Nero*** · **09-15-2014, 11:32 AM**

Really, the only things stopping me from considering the possibility of perma-death is that 1). it'd probably take me a while to write up a new character that is also a fresh perspective, a brand new personality, and backstory with appropriate motivations and 2). there's no way to name-change and that kind of thing matters to me.

But otherwise, I've basically written all of my character in such a way that their death is pretty foreseeable.

FreelanceWizard · **09-15-2014, 11:51 AM**

Maybe it's just me, but I read the "asking permission" comment as a standard consent rule: before you make permanent changes to someone else's character (death, rape, torture, etc.), you need to ask their permission first. Likewise, someone needs to ask your permission before they do the same to your character.

While I generally discuss major, permanent character changes with my key RP associates and the officers of my guild/FC as a consideration, and I generally avoid massive quick character changes, I don't think it's strictly necessary to get others' permission before altering your character. It is, however, a jerk move to do so without at least mentioning it in advance, or if you do it with regularity, IMO.

Rosekitten · **09-15-2014, 12:22 PM**

I'd say if you don't think her story is ready to end just yet figure a way around it. It was mentioned to have her holed up somewhere for a while and come back after some time has passed. I don't play with alts either so I know how the thought process is of killing your one character off. In past rp's I have killed main characters off but they normally had a good reason or their death carried an importance to the story. In a few cases it seemed to give the story new life even and a fresh main character or set of main characters.Â

With being in a similar boat as you with having only one character .. I find myself every once in a while asking if I should write up something and just end the character. Mainly being that the direction I wanted the character to grow didn't seem to come to pass. Really as more time goes on I feel like I know the character less and less. Though also unlike your character.. I think I would only have to answer to maybe a handful of people who would bother to find out if something happened or not.Â

But back on topic; like I said.. if you feel there is more to be had with the character then try to pull through or plan out something with the other person. I'm all for being realistic but there is also a matter of your own enjoyment with the game and stories. Also I guess the real answer here.. sure I'd perma death if it was me in that situation. I have my reasons behind it, some ic and some not. My character isn't a top notch fighter so it wouldn't be too unrealistic to receive a fatal wound.

Crisiet · **09-15-2014, 12:24 PM**

(09-15-2014, 07:02 AM)Knight Kat Wrote: I am torn because I don't want to end her story yet, but I also want to be realistic.

If you feel torn about it, you're probably not ready to do it. Realism be damned.

Crisiet might die at some point, but it'll be under my own terms. No one needs to feel like they -have- to kill their character for the sake of being realistic.

Illira · **09-15-2014, 12:26 PM**

Yes, I would perma-death a main RP character if the time/situation was right for it. I'm actually kind of surprised that I haven't yet, to be quite honest.

The possibility of that happening came up for one of my most oft-RPed characters a couple of months ago. Although it ended up not happening, that was simply a result of the RP not taking it to that point.

I'd done a lot of consideration on the subject and decided that under those circumstances and had decided I would be alright with it even if it would be a sad affair to lose that character. While his personal story was far from being "played-out" as some people put it, the thematics and echos let behind by his death under those circumstance would have been right and perhaps have served a greater purpouse in the overall story-arc.

Part of my willingness to do that, is because I find that often times, in these sorts of matters, taking the OOCly easy way out feels disrespectful to the character. Thats not to say that I have any issue when someone decides to opt-out of say, killing or maiming their character when it comes up. Just that when I get a feeling in my gut that something -should- happen but don't want it to for OOC reason I'm much more likely to set aside the OOC for the IC. Its a matter of their life choices (good or bad) having brought them to that point and shying away from the repercussions of that doesn't sit well with me.

Recently, I had to make a relatively spur of moment decision (if you count staring at the screen debating with yourself for 20 mins spur of the moment!) about whether or not to let my Roe, Cypress get stabbed in the eyes and blinded. While it certainly wasn't death, I think for this character, I actually would found that sort of decision easier to make than this particular maiming. While I could have written it off as her merely turning her head and getting her face scratched up, it would have brushed off the hubris that had led her to that exact moment. Her being blinded means that she's going to be challenged to learn and adapt when such a thing goes against her very nature. Its essentially worse than death to her to need to depend on the very person that she blames for her newfound circumstance. But it was poetic justice, and I'm interested to see what will happen. Just as I'm interested in the fallout that happens from characters' deaths.

So... moral of this post is, due what feels right in your gut. Whatever that may be, if its the right time for a character to have ______ happen to them, you'll know.

On a side note response to:

(09-15-2014, 07:02 AM)Knight Kat Wrote: I know many of you have loads of alts, so the death of an alt really can't have the same impact.

I'm not sure if I agree that the decision to kill of an alt is necessarily a less impactful one though. Admittedly, that could be because in a given RP universe I usually have multiple characters that I would consider "mains", so that distinction between a main and an alt is super fuzzy for me in a lot of cases.

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