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Solenne · **03-29-2017, 01:36 AM**

(03-29-2017, 01:24 AM)Kilieit Wrote:
(03-29-2017, 01:19 AM)Solenne Wrote:
(03-29-2017, 12:50 AM)Kilieit Wrote: IIRC, the NIN 30-50 quests cover the mechanism of Hingashi's annexation fairly extensively? Or am I mixing up my islands xD

I don't believe so. I'm pretty sure it focuses on events that occur on the mainland. Princess Yuki talks about the fall of Doma, and Hingashi is never mentioned as far as I can tell from the journal entries and cutscenes. I did not save the quest text, though.

30-50, not 51-60.

Oh. Right. What are numbers, anyway? No, that storyline definitely focuses on the aftermath of events that took place in Doma.

Kilieit · **03-29-2017, 01:41 AM**

The reason I'm confused is because I distinctly remember them referring to the "island nation" they hail from, and Doma is on the mainland.

Furthermore, this was used by multiple people as an argument against the existence of the Doman language (people claiming that because the NIN questgivers are not from Doma, they cannot be used as an example, even though they repeatedly refer to the tongue they speak as "Doman").

Solenne · **03-29-2017, 02:03 AM**

(03-29-2017, 01:41 AM)Kilieit Wrote: The reason I'm confused is because I distinctly remember them referring to the "island nation" they hail from, and Doma is on the mainland.

Furthermore, this was used by multiple people as an argument against the existence of the Doman language (people claiming that because the NIN questgivers are not from Doma, they cannot be used as an example, even though they repeatedly refer to the tongue they speak as "Doman").

Hmm. The journal entry for the level 30 NIN quest says that Oboro and Tsubame are "shinobi from the Far Eastern land of Doma." The journal entries continue to refer to them as Domans throughout. (It also references a "Doman tongue," as you say, so I'm not what those people were smoking?)

Sounsyy · **03-29-2017, 08:15 AM**

(03-29-2017, 12:02 AM)Solenne Wrote: Do we actually know that Hingashi is under Garlean control? I know we see soldiers in Kugane in the trailer that appear to be Garlean, but that's a city that is apparently open for trade with other nations, including, perhaps, Garlemald.

Know beyond any shred of doubt? No, but everything that we've been told of the Empire's conquest is that the Far East is completely under their control. What I think we're going to see with the Hingashi city of Kugane is what a nation who willingly submitted to Garlean rule looks like versus those who did not (Ala Mhigo, Doma).

The Waning of the Sixth Sun Wrote:The new imperial army, now swelling with the might of countless assimilated nations, methodically subjugates the eastern continent of Othard and the remaining lands of Ilsabard, welcoming those nations willing to bow to imperial rule, while erasing those which refuse the Garlean standard.

With two of the three great continents now under its control, the Garlean Empire sets its sights on Aldenard, and in the year 1557, sends the XIVth legion to conquer Ala Mhigo in the first step to bring Eorzea's people under imperial rule.

Lodestone Wrote:One nation after the next fell before their relentless onslaught, first those of the northlands, followed by the sovereign states of the eastern continent, Othard. Employing suppression and conciliation in equal measure, Garlemald indoctrinated the peoples it conquered, thus integrating them into its ever-expanding territory.

It's also possible that Hingashi could've also struck a deal with the Empire similar to the one with Radz-at-Han on Thavnair.

Encyclopedia Eorzea Wrote:The most prominent of those civilizations would have to be that of Radz-at-Han, located onÂ Thavnair-the Bounty's largest landmass. An ancient city-state with a history stretching back thousands of years, Radz-at-Han is best known as the birthplace of modern alchemy. It is interested to note that, despite having a very limited outward military presence, the city-state has succeeded in forging a non-interference treaty with the Garlean Empire, ensuring their independence while mightier nations fall about them, and as thus, Radz-at-Han remains an active hub for trade between Eorzea. However, it has been noted by some that the treaty was only formed so thatGarlemaldÂ could obtain items from Eorzea viaÂ Thavnair, as official trade between the regions was frozen after the Empire's failedÂ invasion twenty years prior.

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(03-29-2017, 12:02 AM)Solenne Wrote: Also, you mentioned in another post that the Domans tried to go to Hingashi and were turned away before they went to Eorzea (do we know that for certain, btw?). Would they seek haven in a state already ruled by Garleans, the people who just tried to wipe them out?

Yugiri's group of refugees got out of Doma just before the razing of their palace capital. I think it's safe to assume they hoped to blend in in Hingashi, being two peoples of similar racial makeup and cultures - no Garlean would've given Yugiri a second pass there. But after the obliteration of Doma, and Bozja too 15 years prior, I can't imagine Hingashi wished to risk it, especially after submitting quietly to Garlean rule for the last 25 years. The Encyclopedia Eorzea makes a point of calling Yugiri's group just one group of survivors. As we've recently seen, there's more Domans somewhere in Othard still putting up resistance.

Encyclopedia Eorzea Wrote:One group, lead by Yugiri, boarded a great galleon, and in their panic made east across the Ruby Tide for the island nation of Hingashi. Alas, this nation would not risk inviting Garlemaldâ€™s ire, and turned away the Domans. They next sailed for Thavnair, where they found the great gates of Radz-at-Han also closed. Starving, they steeled themselves for a single last voyage west to Eorzea.

We really won't know more specifics until 4.0 though. We knew of islands and an island nation beyond Doma for some time, but didn't get Hingashi's name dropped until the lore book. So the extent of our knowledge is really limited to what little is in the lore book, relic quests, and 4.0 info slides from fanfest.

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(03-29-2017, 01:41 AM)Kilieit Wrote: The reason I'm confused is because I distinctly remember them referring to the "island nation" they hail from, and Doma is on the mainland.

The art of ninjutsu hails from the island nation of Hingashi, but not the shinobi in the NIN questline (and Yugiri) who hail from a small, isolated village near Doma, in Yanxia.

Oboro Wrote:My name is Oboro, and she is Tsubame. We hail from a village inÂ Doma, several thousand malms across the sea. We areâ”€ah, but perhaps you have no word for what we are. In our own tongue, one might call us shinobi.

I think you're remembering the story told by Gerolt of Sasuke, the ninja from Hingashi who is credited with bringing ninjutsu to Doma and freeing their people from a tyrannical warlord.

Gerolt Wrote:It contains an account o' how a Far Eastern ninja named Sasuke brought ninjutsu to Doma. Seems ninjutsu was invented in a land far to the east of Othard's shoresâ”€same isle as where Sasuke grew up. The bloke was the best ninja about, so he gets secret orders or summat to cross the sea, an' makes his way to Doma. Life for the Doman commonfolk was shite back then, what with the starvin' an' the poverty. The worst, though, was the bleedin' tyrant what ruled the place! Well, bein' the charitable sort, what's Sasuke to do but teach the smallfolk ninjutsu so they can win back their freedom? So yer man trains some ninjas, an' together they boot the ruler's royal arse off the throne, an' put a dagger in his back for good measure. Well, with the dynasty dead, yer ninjas go lookin' for the spoils o' victory. After that, the lot o' them headed to the outlands o' Doma to build a hidden village, so's to live as ninjas away from pryin' eyes.

More info on Doma, Hingashi, the origins of Ninjutsu, and the Raen who live there can be found in this Doma Lore Compilation. Hope this helps clear up some stuff!

Kallera · **03-29-2017, 01:12 PM**

The adventurer guild members are noting the tension in the air. Other than the obvious fears of war, might there be some unfortunate conclusions being made about either the less hawkish among us, the methods it takes to win, well as people from ilsabard and ala mihgo?

Solenne · **03-29-2017, 02:26 PM**

(03-29-2017, 08:15 AM)Sounsyy Wrote:
(03-29-2017, 12:02 AM)Solenne Wrote: Do we actually know that Hingashi is under Garlean control? I know we see soldiers in Kugane in the trailer that appear to be Garlean, but that's a city that is apparently open for trade with other nations, including, perhaps, Garlemald.

Know beyond any shred of doubt? No, but everything that we've been told of the Empire's conquest is that the Far East is completely under their control. What I think we're going to see with the Hingashi city of Kugane is what a nation who willingly submitted to Garlean rule looks like versus those who did not (Ala Mhigo, Doma).

Hmm. I suppose that does make sense. If it's true, it sounds like Hingashi enjoys a large measure of autonomy, since they are referred to as "a nation with a strict isolationist policy." Still, that could be consistent with Garlean rule if Garlemald was willing to keep a very light hand on the reins. And given what we know about Hingashi - that it's a mountainous island nation with a long history of conflict within its borders - to the point that both shinobi and samurai combat techniques seem to have originated there - I can imagine Garleans moving in and taking the islands by force, only to fight a guerrilla war with stubborn warlords hiding out in the mountains for decades thereafter. It would definitely be easier to strike a generous deal. And if you consider also that Kugane appears to be the major trading hub in the Far East, Garlemald might have economic reasons for not wanting to cause upheaval or unrest within Hingashi.

I don't know why I'm so fascinated with this little archipelago that we know almost nothing about, but the scraps of information we do know have really captured my imagination.

Valence · **03-29-2017, 05:56 PM**

From experience, the only thing that stops Garlemald to completely subjugate (through conquest or utter annihilation) its enemies, is when they would benefit more from said enemies to stand more or less independent rather than subjugated (cf Radz-at-Han).

Garlemald ending bogged down in a guerilla? I would be surprised for them not to blow the shit out of the whole island in such a case.

Hellmach · **03-29-2017, 05:58 PM**

I think along the more erotic side an entire residential district in Shirogane can be bought out and used for a literal Yoshiwara. I'm a maxed out crafter and can help with this.Â

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoshiwara

Valen · **03-29-2017, 06:08 PM**

(03-29-2017, 05:58 PM)Hellmach Wrote: I think along the more erotic side an entire residential district in Shirogane can be bought out and used for a literal Yoshiwara. I'm a maxed out crafter and can help with this.Â

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoshiwara

That's not going to happen. At least not on that scale. Best case scenario you'll get two or three houses next to each other. A full district on the other hand would be near downright impossible.

Hellmach · **03-29-2017, 06:13 PM**

(03-29-2017, 06:08 PM)Valen Wrote:
(03-29-2017, 05:58 PM)Hellmach Wrote: I think along the more erotic side an entire residential district in Shirogane can be bought out and used for a literal Yoshiwara. I'm a maxed out crafter and can help with this.Â

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoshiwara
That's not going to happen. At least not on that scale. Best case scenario you'll get two or three houses next to each other. A full district on the other hand would be near downright impossible.

You're right. Â It's a lot of coordination but maybe a division or two could work. Â That would be about 3 to 8 houses for anybody interested.

Solenne · **03-29-2017, 06:18 PM**

(03-29-2017, 05:56 PM)Valence Wrote: Garlemald ending bogged down in a guerilla? I would be surprised for them not to blow the shit out of the whole island in such a case.

Well, unless Garlemald is willing to literally topple those tall mountains in Hingashi, I think guerrilla warfare could prove at least annoying, if not effective in driving the Garleans out. But say that the Garleans are really prepare to turn those mountains into rubble and make the whole archipelago uninhabitable. Why bother taking Hingashi at all, in that case? If the Garleans' real motivation for conquest is that they must own absolutely every scrap of land, no matter how destroyed it is by the time they get it, then I'm a bit disappointed by that world building. Garlemald's imperial ambitions seem more nuanced than that.

Also, if there's anything I've learned from studying US military history, it's that relatively small groups of combatants hiding out in difficult terrain can give the largest military power in the world a major headache.

Solenne · **03-29-2017, 06:20 PM**

(03-29-2017, 06:13 PM)Hellmach Wrote:
(03-29-2017, 06:08 PM)Valen Wrote:
(03-29-2017, 05:58 PM)Hellmach Wrote: I think along the more erotic side an entire residential district in Shirogane can be bought out and used for a literal Yoshiwara. I'm a maxed out crafter and can help with this.Â

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoshiwara
That's not going to happen. At least not on that scale. Best case scenario you'll get two or three houses next to each other. A full district on the other hand would be near downright impossible.

You're right. Â It's a lot of coordination but maybe a division or two could work. Â That would be about 3 to 8 houses for anybody interested.

I was so confused about this post until I saw that you don't play on Balmung. Coordinating housing on our server, even 3-8 houses in a group together, would be basically impossible. Getting a house at all is basically impossible for most of us.

Hellmach · **03-29-2017, 06:21 PM**

(03-29-2017, 06:20 PM)Solenne Wrote:
(03-29-2017, 06:13 PM)Hellmach Wrote:
(03-29-2017, 06:08 PM)Valen Wrote:
(03-29-2017, 05:58 PM)Hellmach Wrote: I think along the more erotic side an entire residential district in Shirogane can be bought out and used for a literal Yoshiwara. I'm a maxed out crafter and can help with this.Â

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoshiwara
That's not going to happen. At least not on that scale. Best case scenario you'll get two or three houses next to each other. A full district on the other hand would be near downright impossible.

You're right. Â It's a lot of coordination but maybe a division or two could work. Â That would be about 3 to 8 houses for anybody interested.

I was so confused about this post until I saw that you don't play on Balmung. Coordinating housing on our server, even 3-8 houses in a group together, would be basically impossible. Getting a house at all is basically impossible for most of us.

I see the issue Sad

... oh well. It would still be a cool idea.

Zanther · **03-31-2017, 01:47 PM**

Should be interesting. I used HW areas some in my rp, mostly with references of my char going into the vast libraries of Ishgard or my alt's learning of the Dark Knight skills and his time training in the regions. Other than that, I haven't use the HW expansion much for rping. It should be intresting with Doma. Ala won't be too bad cause its just down the street. I just not sure what type of rpingÂ I'll do with the new zones, as I'm having to find a new focus for my char since my one major story played out and at the same time my old FC broke up and I haven't done much rping since.

Amnesic · **03-31-2017, 06:08 PM**

The embarrassing fact is that I never got to even see HW when I was still around in-game and I likely won't be able to see our latest expansion either. It'll probably be a while before I even consider trying something related to it, but the RP paradigm shouldn't change completely.

I mean, I'll still be doing it the old way right? Tongue

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