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DAISHI · **07-14-2010, 02:29 PM**

Zane Wrote:
Zietes Wrote:What do you guy's think about giving him a disguise. This means that I can still roleplay Villainous situations with other RPers yet still keep my identity secret. Of course, OOC people could tell it was my character because my name would be over my head, but IC wise they would have no idea. I'd have to be very careful as to finding a reason why Zietes was not there, maybe trick them into thinking he was. Also Kashemia has already said that people might meta game by mistake and think they know it's my character when they see him, but I explained that it wouldn't be a hard fix, just take a whisper or two explaining that they can't really tell who I am.

A true villain never dirties his hands unless he absolutely must. Using others, and proxies for your agendas is the best method. This is of course much harder in role-playing, especially with a $3 charge for each extra character, but you could try to convince other players of your noble cause.

The best possible thing you can do is find someone to be completely on board with your idea to become your "Face". The man your character sends to all sensitive business deals who has the power and authority to speak for your character. This "Face" will become synonymous with your evil workings, but so long as your character is not seen, or seen often around them, they have little to suspect.

"A true villain never dirties his hands unless he absolutely must."

This statement is absolutely untrue.

<a class="postlink" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Panzram">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Panzram</a>

Zane · **07-14-2010, 02:31 PM**

The first and very superficial draft of that character began in 2003. He's since evolved as I've played him in my table top game and fine-tuned my story. So... 7 years in the making, though he was 90% complete after about two years of tweaking.

Zietes · **07-14-2010, 02:33 PM**

Yea the $3 alts is kind of lame. Wish it was still 1 dollar per. But anyway, what about the retainer? I heard you can play them or something. Switch between your characters or something like that. Any idea on how it works exactly? Because if you can still take them any place and give them nice looking clothes to really make them iconic then I could make the person who does all the dirty work for my character my retainer.

Aveline · **07-14-2010, 02:35 PM**

No your retainer basically stands around and holds your stuff for you in a special section of town, and also acts as your bazaar mule without making you stay logged in.

Zane · **07-14-2010, 02:35 PM**

DAISHI Wrote:"A true villain never dirties his hands unless he absolutely must."

This statement is absolutely untrue.

<a class="postlink" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Panzram">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Panzram</a>

I was talking more about the subtle type of villain. :p

While there's no arguing that individual can clearly be considered a villain, definitely not my type of villain, and probably not the best choice for a player's main as a villain in the Role-Playing community.

Zhavi · **07-14-2010, 02:40 PM**

There was a Brian Sanderson book (forget the name, his newest one) where the bad guys hid in plain sight.

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A bad guy can do his own dirty work if he wants to (just not the typical way of subtle antagonists), but he'd have to be careful it never is shown to light, and if it is that it is construed as noble or necessary.

Kashemia · **07-14-2010, 02:47 PM**

My favorite villain of all time comes from the fantasy musical of Atlantis, and it's mainly because he's so evil. He does several times mention to be evil, but all in all, it's a mix of powerhunger, revering an evil god and for the glory of the nation.

In short, he manage to, in war, kill his best friend who is the commander, blame it on the enemy and take over the army. He then returns to Atlantis as a war hero, plotting to overthrow the king. He manages to get the hero imprisoned for kissing the princess, talking him into killing the kind and then, when the hero have second thoughts, kills the kind himself and blames the hero. He then seduces the princess (and makes her pregnant), imprisons, tortures, rapes and kills the heroes mother, turns the entire nation from their god, Poseidon (the greek god of the sea) to his evil god, make them believe that they have to go to war to ensure their land untill eventually the gods get so angry that they make the entire island sink into the ocean.

Why he is such an amazing villain is because he's extremely evil, but also extremely charismatic, so he get an entire people to follow him.

It sounds like the same deal with Zane's villain character, who sounds really interesting.

Eva · **07-14-2010, 03:24 PM**

"There is no good and evil. There is only truth and perspective." ~Constable

DAISHI · **07-14-2010, 03:30 PM**

All respects to Constable, I disagree.

ArmachiA · **07-14-2010, 06:10 PM**

It's pretty true unless your a sociopath... even then you don't know your doing right or wrong because you don't know the difference.

Hitler didn't think what he was doing was bad, he though what he was doing was necessary.

Who was the villian in the Revolutionary war? Was it the Brits and there taxes and rules? Or was is the Americans and there rebellious and disrespectful nature toward the crown?

We fight wars on perspective. The winner declares the side that was bad. Everything is based off perspective.

DAISHI · **07-14-2010, 06:32 PM**

@ArmachiA That's a post-modernist version of ambiguous morality I don't subscribe to.

Aveline · **07-14-2010, 06:33 PM**

Yep, kind of how there's always postcards and paintings of the great American west that just show empty fields and forests stretching across a continent haha...

ArmachiA · **07-14-2010, 07:56 PM**

^ I dunno man, Wyoming is pretty empty.

It's not ambiguous mortality, we all know what Hitler did was wrong... except for Hitler and his followers, they thought he was doing right. No one is evil for the sake of being evil, there's always a reason.

Hell let's talk video games. Sephiroth did was he did because he thought it was the natural conclusion of things, he didn't go "I'm gonna be evil and destroy the world now kthx."

In FFX Seymour decided he was better for Spira than his father, and intended on marrying Yuna in an effort to unite it. He really thought he was doing what he felt was necessary. He did not think he was evil.

Now in the movie Serenity, the main bad guy knows he's evil, but he says he's doing it for a more perfect world. Not one he will live in, as he is evil, but for future generations. He believes he's doing evil for the right reasons.

There is a lot of different ways people justify their behavior and therefore it's perspective.

Ellion Goto · **07-14-2010, 08:15 PM**

Gotta agree with Armi. I don't really know of anyone that just hurts things, places, or people without some justification. Whether you subscribe to it or not is irrelevant. It just means you disagree, therego justifying your side, case in point. Honestly if we stick to the movie genre where a villain is "truly evil" it doesn't really make a lot of sense. For example, in Fifth Element, where the Zork (I guess that's his name) fired 1 million workers instead of 500,000 within his company as a blatant display of his alignment... it didn't make a lot of sense... Unless you take into consideration he's saving money which is his justification.

Other than that... I only know true evil characters in the form of like supernatural beings that are not tied to consequences in this world.

DAISHI · **07-14-2010, 08:24 PM**

What one believes to be righ does not necessary make it right in a ethical code that rests on objective morality. When one subscribes to a subjective code then all things can be right.

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