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Corelyn · **08-22-2013, 09:12 PM**

(08-22-2013, 09:00 PM)faceman7381 Wrote:
(08-22-2013, 08:15 PM)F Wrote: Shocking to myself, I had not even thought about things like this while I sit here thinking on my character. I am more used to RP communities in MMOs being much more strict on things... it is heart warming to see more creativity sparking and being welcomed. I'm gonna have to think hard on my char but perhaps he will be the one to journey down the Mime path...
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Wow, this this this!Â This was idea in creating this thread.Â It is really a place to say hey, this is Final Fantasy.Â We have a rich history to draw on here to help create from!

It was not easy for me at first during 1.0 coming on here and saying I was going to play a samurai.Â However, as the community has grown, there have been people here that have come into the fold who have been very welcoming of the ideas of looking into the history of Final Fantasy and traditional RP character styles for aid in fleshing out their characters.

I made this thread to help show that you are welcome here and you do have a place!Â There is more to fostering a good community then just saying 'welcome to the RPC, choose a server and jump in!'

As far as going down the Mime path....YES!Â It would be one of the coolest things to RP play in game.Â That is to use the game to actually RP it like a Mime in game.Â There are many ways to pull it off, and there are many people here smarter then me to come up with the best ways to do it!

It is just like playing samurai for me.Â Yeah, I am giving up the shield and going only sword as gladiator until the actual job gets in game.Â I know that gets me bumped off the end game list for just about any raiding party, but hey, this is a game.Â I give it up willing because RP is the what I love the most.Â

That being said, nothing wrong with someone else who wants to pick up the shield and play as a samurai too.Â If it makes you happy and is not hurting anyone else, do it.Â

I would love to hear you ideas for how to tackle Mime!

(08-22-2013, 08:18 PM)Lake Desire Wrote:
(08-19-2013, 08:25 PM)faceman7381 Wrote: The Extremist:

Let's be honest, we need a BAD GUY.Â Yes, the idea has been discussed.Â Yes you would alienate yourself from a lot of the population.Â Some of us, myself included, have played the role and know how rewarding it can be when 70% + of a server hates you for good reasons.Â It's hard to be bad, but it is fun.Â This is Final Fantasy.Â That means great stories.Â Yes, we have the Empire.Â We need a PC villain to get that extra RP mile out of the experience.Â No, you don't have to kill us, disfigure us, or always win or loose.Â It can work, if some of us (which is why I am asking here), work to make it work!

Does 70% of the server hate you or your character? Â Or not distinguish between the two?

Waaaay back when I did Dragonriders of Pern play-by-email RP, I loved playing villains and annoying characters, but a lot of other players had trouble distinguishing OCC and IC and took it personal when my character was an asshole. Â Â Does that happen in MMO RPG?
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In a word.......yes.Â I did it, and many have probs being different to you ooc and icc.Â Also, not everyone icc will recognize you as some great, semi-powerful villain.Â Just like in choosing a linkshell, it is best to find a group of people to see you as a icc bad dude and not the same ooc.Â Also, they will help build up your rep as a villain by RPing you as someone who is not a nice person and not to be messed with.

It is all about finding the right group if you want to go down this path.Â I encourage you to do it if it is what you want to do and to seek the people who will allow you to be what you desire to be here to maximize your experience as your character!

Yeah, there are a whole lot of people, unfortunately, out there who just can't tell OOC from IC. They are... usually best avoided if incapable of understanding or seeing proper reason. I've wound up in tangles with MANY people like that in my years of WoW RP, sadly. However, you can't let a one or even a few people like that sour an experience overall. You get them everywhere. It may be me, but it also seems a bit more common an attitude on MMOs because of the inherent competitive nature of many activities, which can bring that out in even some more reserved people.

faceman7381 · **08-22-2013, 09:23 PM**

Now to keep this thread running and give a new idea to it:

Who can forget Gau?

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I post this here to wonder if there are any beastboys out there.Â Why you ask?Â Read this class choice from S&S 3.5 Rule Set Sorcery and Steam Handbook:

Animal Lord:

"In a world of daring exploration and tragic loss, there are individuals born as a man and through incredible circumstances, raised as a creature of the wild.Â Animal Lords are individuals raised under the watchful eyes of members of the animal kingdom, trained to surviveÂ in harsh wilderness, and exceeding the normal expectations of human physical potential but at the cost of their humanity."

(Page 37, Sorcery and Steam 3.5 Rule Book of the Legends and Lairs Series)

Now who does that sound like?!

Being that FF14 is mostÂ surely one part sorcery and one part steam, this seems to fit well.Â Also, FF 14 seems to draw from FF 6 too a bunch.Â Big Empire take over with use of technology, world catastrophe that spends the main story years ahead...all seems very similar!Â

With the recent calamity, it does seem that there might have been entire villages burned down and children left to the wilderness.Â It is possible Gau/Tarzan is out there somewhere.

So, any beast boys out there?Â

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Oooooooooooops!Â No, not him....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_r0n9Dv6XnY

Him!Â

(God dang I love the 80s....Go on hate me.....you know Ah Ha was awesome...They sang the James Bond Theme in "The Living Day Lights".Â I think a Beatle named Paul did that once too.Â What does that say?Â Yeah I know....Flock of Seagulls and Culture Club.....I get it...I am in a loosing argument.)

Anyways, fellow tree swingers, (oh man the puns we could do with that term)Come forth and be known to us!

F'ibril Nuhn · **08-22-2013, 10:17 PM**

This thread makes me feel them feels. I've been through a ton of "guff" with Wow RP, Guild Wars RP, Aion RP, the list goes on and on and it can leave a person a little hopeless after a while. My wife and I have dealt with it so much that one of us would suggest something for RP and the other would dash it instantly with "Man you are going to get crap for that"

On Guild wars alone, we simply made a Norn/Human couple and not even having RPd for a full hour were getting messages about how they could not breed together and other such things. We've avoided many of the MMO RP communities since then as it just felt like people wanted you to conform to the game over letting your creativity shine within the world of a game. RP has never been about rules for me as much as it has been about imagination.

Anywho! With my Miqo'te I had been a bit stumped on where to go with his story as I was holding myself back, thinking he would need to be ONE class and that it needed to be part of his play. I had the issue back in FFXI of wanting to play every class and level it but always thinking placing it into my RP would be too much and it might be seen as Power Gaming/God Modding. Ah well.. KUPO IT!

Mime Idea:
There is one restriction that makes "Mime" impossible for total immersion and that would be the inability to swap jobs in combat. That is fine, for RP purposes one could still be a "Mime" but the way I thought of playing it would place it more like a "Strategist" or "Tactician" or as he might call himself an "Opportunist".

Minor Backstory for F'ibril: Pretty much he was living it up with his tribe among the Seekers of the Sun, where his brother was the Nuhn. His brother lived the simple life, all he had going for him was being the Nuhn of their tribe so even though Fib wanted to have more, be a Nuhn himself, have his family.. he did not want to challenge his brother and take away his happiness so when a few of the females convinced him to start his own tribe and become nomadic with them.. he was all for it! Changing his name to F'ibril Nuhn, he headed off with his small pack for adventure and fun.. Crash of Lightning and bad things happening, he wakes up scarred and broken in the care of a Roegadyn woman who found him near dead among all of his dead female companions. As she helped nurse him back to health, he felt a mix of shame and anger.. not willing to run back home with his tail between his legs and feeling compelled to find who did this and get revenge but he has no clue as to who did such a thing!

Fast forward some time and he has spent his time among the other races in the cities, watching people, learning what they do and over time has come to pick up their mannerisms, fighting styles, and mingle them together. He has no clue who his true enemy is and therefore no clue which is the best way to handle the situation so he mimics everything he sees, learns all he can, and tries to be the best at each discipline so that he can match any foe he comes across with the proper manner of defeating them! All while forming a non traditional tribe where his breeding females may not be miqo'te (tee hee)

So instead of being a Mime in the sense that he mimics what is done around him at the time it is done, he instead learns things he sees done and stores the knowledge, ready to use it when he needs it and adapt to situations his allies may need him to do.

-shuts up now-

Corelyn · **08-22-2013, 10:39 PM**

(08-22-2013, 10:17 PM)F Wrote: This thread makes me feel them feels. I've been through a ton of "guff" with Wow RP, Guild Wars RP, Aion RP, the list goes on and on and it can leave a person a little hopeless after a while. My wife and I have dealt with it so much that one of us would suggest something for RP and the other would dash it instantly with "Man you are going to get crap for that"

On Guild wars alone, we simply made a Norn/Human couple and not even having RPd for a full hour were getting messages about how they could not breed together and other such things. We've avoided many of the MMO RP communities since then as it just felt like people wanted you to conform to the game over letting your creativity shine within the world of a game. RP has never been about rules for me as much as it has been about imagination.

Yeah. It got so bad to a point on WoW that our guild started cracking down on "questionable" RP elements that would draw ire from the lore-thumpers and closed-minded. It was disgusting. At one point, my engineer, also named Corelyn (she's the original - genius with Titan technology - she has an entire massive complex beneath Quel'thalas where she hides. It's taken her YEARS to construct and she's still building lots of it, ICly) built an android construct. It didn't have synthesized flesh or anything. It was, in all actuality, a robot with concealing armour so you couldn't tell -what- it was, though it had an elven frame so it could be subtle. I got guff not from other people, but from -my own guild- because they were afraid of what others would think. It's a sad state that RP has gotten to in WoW. The same happened with my Death Knight, who is really more a placeholder for an undead elven battlemage. But I can't say he's "not a Death Knight ICly" for whatever reason because people are paranoid about Death Knight RP.

...man, am I glad I am leaving WoW for this. This is WORLDS better by comparison thus far. It's so refreshing to see a community so open to ideas, speculation, and, best of all, roleplaying and imaginative freedom (because, really, isn't that what RP is ABOUT?)!

Cato · **08-22-2013, 10:49 PM**

As far as I see it true creativity is working within the confines of any given setting rather than indulging all sorts of strange gimmicks to make one's character concept stand out from everyone else's. I've found that whilst many role-players get a lot of criticism for alleged elitism chances are if multiple role-players are putting across similar concerns to one another there may very well be some questionable elements to one's character that may need to be addressed.

WoW has a pretty volatile community at the best of times, let alone alone when you add role-players to the mix...but usually when I saw people being hounded for their character concepts it was at least partially justified. I guess what I'm getting at is that criticism shouldn't just be brushed off as role-players being 'mean' or 'spiteful' if there's numerous competent and experienced role-players putting forth similar concerns.

Corelyn · **08-22-2013, 10:55 PM**

(08-22-2013, 10:49 PM)Theodric Ridgefield Wrote: As far as I see it true creativity is working within the confines of any given setting rather than indulging all sorts of strange gimmicks to make one's character concept stand out from everyone else's. I've found that whilst many role-players get a lot of criticism for alleged elitism chances are if multiple role-players are putting across similar concerns to one another there may very well be some questionable elements to one's character that may need to be addressed.

WoW has a pretty volatile community at the best of times, let alone alone when you add role-players to the mix...but usually when I saw people being hounded for their character concepts it was at least partially justified. I guess what I'm getting at is that criticism shouldn't just be brushed off as role-players being 'mean' or 'spiteful' if there's numerous competent and experienced role-players putting forth similar concerns.

Oh, don't get me wrong. If I can't justify something within the confines of lore, I won't do it. I'm not about to go off and say I'm the son/daughter/shemale-first-cousin of <insert figure> and <insert figure> and also have a machine gun implanted in my forehead that no one can see without 3D glasses. lol

But there's a point to which hostility breeds fear breeds oppression of creativity and imagination, and then the cycle persists, even when concepts are actually viable. People begin to see red flags when there are none, and then proceed to make like a Weasel andÂ flip the fuck out.Â =-B

Cato · **08-22-2013, 11:02 PM**

(08-22-2013, 10:55 PM)Corelyn Wrote:
(08-22-2013, 10:49 PM)Theodric Ridgefield Wrote: As far as I see it true creativity is working within the confines of any given setting rather than indulging all sorts of strange gimmicks to make one's character concept stand out from everyone else's. I've found that whilst many role-players get a lot of criticism for alleged elitism chances are if multiple role-players are putting across similar concerns to one another there may very well be some questionable elements to one's character that may need to be addressed.

WoW has a pretty volatile community at the best of times, let alone alone when you add role-players to the mix...but usually when I saw people being hounded for their character concepts it was at least partially justified. I guess what I'm getting at is that criticism shouldn't just be brushed off as role-players being 'mean' or 'spiteful' if there's numerous competent and experienced role-players putting forth similar concerns.

Oh, don't get me wrong. If I can't justify something within the confines of lore, I won't do it. I'm not about to go off and say I'm the son/daughter/shemale-first-cousin of <insert figure> and <insert figure> and also have a machine gun implanted in my forehead that no one can see without 3D glasses. lol

But there's a point to which hostility breeds fear breeds oppression of creativity and imagination, and then the cycle persists, even when concepts are actually viable. People begin to see red flags when there are none, and then proceed to make like a Weasel andÂ flip the fuck out.Â =-B

Oh, definitely - a lot of the character concepts that role-players get up in arms about being 'against the lore' aren't even all that improbable. So long as exceptions to the rule don't become the norm I'm generally willing to give quite a lot of character concepts a chance. I don't really like ignoring anything outright unless it's particularly immersion breaking, since if I'm uncomfortable with a character concept I tend to just have my character make his excuses and dash off on an errand elsewhere.

Corelyn · **08-22-2013, 11:06 PM**

(08-22-2013, 11:02 PM)Theodric Ridgefield Wrote:
(08-22-2013, 10:55 PM)Corelyn Wrote:
(08-22-2013, 10:49 PM)Theodric Ridgefield Wrote: As far as I see it true creativity is working within the confines of any given setting rather than indulging all sorts of strange gimmicks to make one's character concept stand out from everyone else's. I've found that whilst many role-players get a lot of criticism for alleged elitism chances are if multiple role-players are putting across similar concerns to one another there may very well be some questionable elements to one's character that may need to be addressed.

WoW has a pretty volatile community at the best of times, let alone alone when you add role-players to the mix...but usually when I saw people being hounded for their character concepts it was at least partially justified. I guess what I'm getting at is that criticism shouldn't just be brushed off as role-players being 'mean' or 'spiteful' if there's numerous competent and experienced role-players putting forth similar concerns.

Oh, don't get me wrong. If I can't justify something within the confines of lore, I won't do it. I'm not about to go off and say I'm the son/daughter/shemale-first-cousin of <insert figure> and <insert figure> and also have a machine gun implanted in my forehead that no one can see without 3D glasses. lol

But there's a point to which hostility breeds fear breeds oppression of creativity and imagination, and then the cycle persists, even when concepts are actually viable. People begin to see red flags when there are none, and then proceed to make like a Weasel andÂ flip the fuck out.Â =-B

Oh, definitely - a lot of the character concepts that role-players get up in arms about being 'against the lore' aren't even all that improbable. So long as exceptions to the rule don't become the norm I'm generally willing to give quite a lot of character concepts a chance. I don't really like ignoring anything outright unless it's particularly immersion breaking, since if I'm uncomfortable with a character concept I tend to just have my character make his excuses and dash off on an errand elsewhere.

Yeah, that's exactly it, though when I have a problem with someone's character concept, I will attempt to politely point it out OOCly and try to suggest something similar, yet more fitting to the world. Some people, unfortunately, will simply cuss someone out as if their very idea was a crime intended to hurt the RP around them, when, in many cases, they are simply new or younger people without a clear definition of the lore. I've seldom gotten a poor response (save for the case of several notorious folks *shudder*), though there are those who will immediately become offended. Unfortunately, those are just as bad as the ones who go after other guns blazing.

Regardless! It's nice to, thus far, see a notable lack of both sides of that ugly coin, at least around here. ^_^

F'ibril Nuhn · **08-22-2013, 11:09 PM**

(08-22-2013, 10:49 PM)Theodric Ridgefield Wrote: As far as I see it true creativity is working within the confines of any given setting rather than indulging all sorts of strange gimmicks to make one's character concept stand out from everyone else's. I've found that whilst many role-players get a lot of criticism for alleged elitism chances are if multiple role-players are putting across similar concerns to one another there may very well be some questionable elements to one's character that may need to be addressed.

WoW has a pretty volatile community at the best of times, let alone alone when you add role-players to the mix...but usually when I saw people being hounded for their character concepts it was at least partially justified. I guess what I'm getting at is that criticism shouldn't just be brushed off as role-players being 'mean' or 'spiteful' if there's numerous competent and experienced role-players putting forth similar concerns.

There is always room for justified criticism or concern around RP characters. There are also ways to go about it that are right and wrong. You can approach someone and voice concern or you can stand up on your soap box shouted at them and damning them to hell for trying. I am very much for working within the world and letting your creativity flow within it, but there are some you try to confine you within the lore of the world to near restrictive means that scares away new RPers and makes old ones question why they RP to begin with. Just because you roll a Human Paladin, doesn't mean you have to work for the Stormwind guard or being a druid that favors the animalistic parts of nature does not make you a "furry freak".

To call back again to my Guild Wars 2 time, we had not even discussed the idea of even trying to have children or even if the characters would last as a couple. We merely played as a Norn male and Human female who met, were dating, and happened to like traveling with each other. There was no reason for us to be met with hate and anger in whispers telling us that due to game lore they could never have children together and it was silly to think they could among other rude comments that revolved around him "breaking her in half" if they tried to have sex and how them being in love would be impossible. Nothing we did was against lore or outside the concept of the world. We made two characters who liked each other, we never mentioned sex, breeding, or anything of the sort to provoke instant malice.

An example on wow was when I played a Druid who happened to be more in tune with the Feral side of things and happened to show more animal characteristics, like when his wife was pregnant he sort of went "Sleep walking" in his bird form and ended up stealing things from the guild house to make her a nest. Something simple, innocent, not really against any lore.. but I got marked as weird, a furry, and told my RP was "Stupid". However these same people thought it was super f**kin cool when Malfurion showed up with part animal body parts. Eh.

So that is why I am pleased to see a welcoming voice in the RP community of FFXIV over a Damning growl. You can critique and help shape RPers without making them feel like crap.

Cato · **08-22-2013, 11:11 PM**

@Corelyn:

Curiously enough I found through experience that many of those seeking to call other role-players out for every perceived slight against the lore were the sort who took numerous liberties themselves. The only difference being that they usually had a huge - almost cult like - following behind them. I clashed fairly often with a fair few prominent guild leaders back in WoW over that. On one hand they'd yell at people for including even the most minor of NPC's in their character's background story...and yet they themselves were claiming to speak on behalf of the Warchief/their respective racial leader. It was very surreal!

Though I agree - what I see in this community is very promising so far. Everyone is polite and friendly, even if they happen to disagree. I'm sure there's countless factors to consider, but I suppose the fact that we're seeing a fresh new start (for the game itself as well as many players who didn't invest in 1.0) ties in with that.

@F'ibril Nuhn:

I can relate to your tale - I've been in that situation myself in the past. I think some role-players are at risk at becoming a tad too zealous in their 'war' against any role-play they see as beneath them, justified or not. I also suspect a lot of them simply bash anything they dislike because they're simply bullies. Heck, there's role-players out there that scream 'ERP' the moment one character so much as shakes another character's hand. It's both hilarious and sad at the same time.

F'ibril Nuhn · **08-22-2013, 11:28 PM**

Yeah, I can agree with all that jazz. The ERP tag has been thrown out soooo much that people no longer realize the difference between people in goldshire trying to bang anything they can for thrills or gold and Adult theme RP that ends up part of a romance story or just adult themed RP with two adults. It is insulting to play a character romantically linked to another, be it my RL wife's or another player.. and have idiots pointing calling out how we just want to run off and do our ERPing.

Funny note is I have often seen the people that accuse others of ERPing doing so while they amass a good following of groupies they sex RP with and simply do not want others taking any of their fun away. lmao

Sadly, sex drives so many these days that a lot of people forget that not every relationship is driven on sex alone or the desire for sex. If my character befriends a woman and sometimes even a male, it is assumed that friendship started because I wish to bang said friend. Sad days.

Jove · **08-23-2013, 08:50 AM**

I can't say I've had much experience of these things, but surely it helps us all being here on the RPC forums when it comes to defining ourselves IC and OOC, regarding conflicts and stuff?

Funnily enough, IRL I kinda have this problem, I have a pretty dry sense of humour and there's been a lot of times someone has taken me completely serious when I really wasn't. I find it easier communicating on the internet simply because a quick emote can clear up any confusion.

Anyway to the topic at hand, I wouldn't put Logan into a certain defined role, but I can say I've had a lot of inspiration...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muW-yqp_YM4

Aduu Avagnar · **08-23-2013, 08:52 AM**

Nako'li is more of a Red Wizard than a sage, he is capable with some basic levels of melee combat, however, is also talented at magic. IC, he isn't taking a Job to reflect the fact that he can't cast the big powerful spells associated with Black/White magic.

Salty Lake · **08-23-2013, 12:56 PM**

(08-22-2013, 10:49 PM)Theodric Ridgefield Wrote: As far as I see it true creativity is working within the confines of any given setting rather than indulging all sorts of strange gimmicks to make one's character concept stand out from everyone else's. I've found that whilst many role-players get a lot of criticism for alleged elitism chances are if multiple role-players are putting across similar concerns to one another there may very well be some questionable elements to one's character that may need to be addressed.

WoW has a pretty volatile community at the best of times, let alone alone when you add role-players to the mix...but usually when I saw people being hounded for their character concepts it was at least partially justified. I guess what I'm getting at is that criticism shouldn't just be brushed off as role-players being 'mean' or 'spiteful' if there's numerous competent and experienced role-players putting forth similar concerns.

I haven't played WoW since the game was only a year or two old, but I always rolled on RP servers and was surprised I couldn't actually find anyone RPing. Maybe I needed to find a guild, but I also never played a character past level 20 before rerolling to try something else.

faceman7381 · **08-23-2013, 05:30 PM**

(08-23-2013, 08:52 AM)Nako Wrote: Nako'li is more of a Red Wizard than a sage, he is capable with some basic levels of melee combat, however, is also talented at magic. IC, he isn't taking a Job to reflect the fact that he can't cast the big powerful spells associated with Black/White magic.

Hey, it's a Red Mage!!!

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Excellent!!!

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Are you gonna dress in red?

Cause well, it doesn't matter if you're black or white....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyBs6-cmFvQ

When you can be RED!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vavZ25wM6W0

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