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Atoli · **01-11-2015, 01:02 PM**

(01-11-2015, 01:00 PM)Kismet Wrote: I think that's justÂ Alphinaud being hyper polite.

This ^ I dunno, it feels a bit much to be taking formalities so seriously in theory-crafting :B We'll find out when we get there!

allgivenover · **01-11-2015, 01:24 PM**

The verbiage isn't as important as the idea it was describing anyway.

Tiergan · **01-11-2015, 04:02 PM**

Honorifics are crazy important in some Asian languages. Not sounding polite/respectful enough when talking to someone can be seen as a small or huge insult depending on how you speak.

While dono does mean something akin to 'lord' or 'lady' - it is not any indicator nobility or royalty. It just means that the speaker and the person they are speaking to have the same high rank socially, but the speaker is still trying to be super polite to the person they're addressing. Since Yugiri is leader of the Doman refugees and Alphinaud is one of the quasi-leaders of Scions and eventually becomes the leader of the Crystal Braves -- it makes sense why he would use 'dono' while addressing her. He respects her, but he views himself as on the same level as her.

If she were of higher standing socially, Alphie would have had to use 'sama' - otherwise he would have been seen as being a prat for not humbling himself enough in Japanese conversation.

allgivenover · **01-11-2015, 04:21 PM**

...already covered how it doesn't necessitate her being royalty.Â

Talk about getting totally distracted over word choice. I guess I was the only one who thought it was an interesting idea.

Tiergan · **01-11-2015, 04:36 PM**

Whoops! Sorry about that. I'm kind of loopy from cold meds.

Ashren Dotharl · **01-11-2015, 04:49 PM**

(01-11-2015, 04:21 PM)allgivenover Wrote: ...already covered how it doesn't necessitate her being royalty.Â

Talk about getting totally distracted over word choice. I guess I was the only one who thought it was an interesting idea.

I think the reason people are getting hung up on the verbiage is because your idea is based on a caste system and your own backing for the idea is that you believed Yugiri was some sort of nobility in her society. In the english VO they also call her Lady Yugiri, but I don't think it's intended in the same sense as Lord and Lady, she is essentially the representative of the Doman refugees as you sort of stated, so I think because of that they treat her with respect as if she were a dignitary.

From what we know so far about Doma though, it's only a village... not a city or a country, though I suppose that could still put it on par with say Gridania.

allgivenover · **01-11-2015, 07:39 PM**

Doma is most definitely a country and Yugiri is the leader of the refugees from Doma.Â

What that means about what social position she held back in Doma I'm not sure, but I'm sure about those two things. Doma wasn't just a village and Yugiri is more than a representative.

Ashren Dotharl · **01-11-2015, 11:26 PM**

(01-11-2015, 07:39 PM)allgivenover Wrote: Doma is most definitely a country and Yugiri is the leader of the refugees from Doma.Â

What that means about what social position she held back in Doma I'm not sure, but I'm sure about those two things. Doma wasn't just a village and Yugiri is more than a representative.

It's not a country though, and it's never called a country or even implied as such. It may be a city-state (or something similar to it) but it is constantly referred to as a village, especially if you level a ninja where they repeatedly talk about "the people from the village."

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We don't know if the Au Ra only come from Doma, or that they even come from Doma at all. Yugiri is the only one we've met so far and for all we know she's a red herring to make us believe they all come from there. The only thing I believe I've seen said is that they come from Othard, which is an entire continent (much like Eorzea), so assuming that they all come from one city in an entire continent would be like assuming that every Elezen in Eorzea only comes from Ishgard.

Aduu Avagnar · **01-11-2015, 11:38 PM**

I know its only a wiki and all, and unofficial at that, but the final fantasy wiki, as well as many of us were under the impression that it was a city, rather than just a city. But as you say, it could simply be a city state.

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Gamer escape also refers to Doma as a Nation

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and the page on Yugiri specifically refers to Doma, again, as a nation

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Ashren Dotharl · **01-11-2015, 11:42 PM**

(01-11-2015, 11:38 PM)Nako Wrote: I know its only a wiki and all, and unofficial at that, but the final fantasy wiki, as well as many of us were under the impression that it was a city, rather than just a city. But as you say, it could simply be a city state.

linky

Gamer escape also refers to Doma as a Nation

linky

and the page on Yugiri specifically refers to Doma, again, as a nation

linky

Gridania, Limsa, Ul'dah, and Ishgard are all also referred to as nations, but are also only cities, which was why I said that Doma was likely the equivalent of a city-state. To borrow from another game, in FFVII Wutai Village is just a village, but also the capital of all of Wutai, and I may be wrong but I got the feeling that Doma was very Wutai like... especially since they were introduced in the same patch as Leviathan.

Aduu Avagnar · **01-11-2015, 11:48 PM**

(01-11-2015, 11:42 PM)Ashren Snow Wrote:
(01-11-2015, 11:38 PM)Nako Wrote: I know its only a wiki and all, and unofficial at that, but the final fantasy wiki, as well as many of us were under the impression that it was a city, rather than just a city. But as you say, it could simply be a city state.

linky

Gamer escape also refers to Doma as a Nation

linky

and the page on Yugiri specifically refers to Doma, again, as a nation

linky
Gridania, Limsa, Ul'dah, and Ishgard are all also referred to as nations, but are also only cities, which was why I said that Doma was likely the equivalent of a city-state. To borrow from another game, in FFVII Wutai Village is just a village, but also the capital of all of Wutai, and I may be wrong but I got the feeling that Doma was very Wutai like... especially since they were introduced in the same patch as Leviathan.

from the main website for Through the Maelstrom:

Quote:Hailing from the nation of Doma on the shores of Othard, Yugiri and her countrymen have fled their war-torn home and the oppression of Garlean rule in search of refuge.

With supplies and hopes for survival dwindling, Yugiri seeks council with Eorzea's leaders, that they too may call this land their home.

It is most definately a Nation, and as such could be a city state or a country. Which I agreed with you could indeed be the case.

Ashren Dotharl · **01-11-2015, 11:52 PM**

(01-11-2015, 11:48 PM)Nako Wrote:
(01-11-2015, 11:42 PM)Ashren Snow Wrote:
(01-11-2015, 11:38 PM)Nako Wrote: I know its only a wiki and all, and unofficial at that, but the final fantasy wiki, as well as many of us were under the impression that it was a city, rather than just a city. But as you say, it could simply be a city state.

linky

Gamer escape also refers to Doma as a Nation

linky

and the page on Yugiri specifically refers to Doma, again, as a nation

linky
Gridania, Limsa, Ul'dah, and Ishgard are all also referred to as nations, but are also only cities, which was why I said that Doma was likely the equivalent of a city-state. To borrow from another game, in FFVII Wutai Village is just a village, but also the capital of all of Wutai, and I may be wrong but I got the feeling that Doma was very Wutai like... especially since they were introduced in the same patch as Leviathan.
from the main website for Through the Maelstrom:

Quote:Hailing from the nation of Doma on the shores of Othard, Yugiri and her countrymen have fled their war-torn home and the oppression of Garlean rule in search of refuge.

With supplies and hopes for survival dwindling, Yugiri seeks council with Eorzea's leaders, that they too may call this land their home.
It is most definately a Nation, and as such could be a city state or a country. Which I agreed with you could indeed be the case.

Right, I'm definitely not in disagreement here that Doma IS a nation, just that it is also a village. I think perhaps I may be misunderstanding the original meaning of "country" though thatÂ allgivenover was meaning, to me it seemed to be implying that it was the same thing as calling all of Thanalan, Ul'dah.

K'nahli · **01-12-2015, 12:03 AM**

This was mentioned numerous times in previous topics. I was curious myself, but only really thought of how it could be worked now and was surprised how easily the plausible answer came to me.

I don't think much was said by Yugiri on the grounds of why she concealed herself. I imagine it could easily be avoided by changing a couple of dialogue pieces and changing her fully-concealed model to her normal look for when she first appears for new characters(be they Au Ra or not) once the race itself is released, in addition to having no emphasis on the Au Ra being new or anything in the beginning other than perhaps some little tidbit along the lines of:

"Haven't seen much of the likes of you around".

Easiest method I can think of.

Jana · **01-12-2015, 01:52 AM**

The village that the NIN quest NPCs are from isn't ever named. We could safely assume it's within Doman territory, but it and Doma are not one and the same. Besides, going by the rules for Japanese high fantasy, the NIN village would have been in a secret place, not the capital for a nation.

Ashren Dotharl · **01-12-2015, 04:04 AM**

(01-12-2015, 01:52 AM)Jana Wrote: The village that the NIN quest NPCs are from isn't ever named. We could safely assume it's within Doman territory, but it and Doma are not one and the same. Besides, going by the rules for Japanese high fantasy, the NIN village would have been in a secret place, not the capital for a nation.

This is actually incorrect, the very first quest in the Ninja storyline when you first meet Tsubame and Oboro they tell you that they have come to Eorzea from Doma on a mission while explaining to you who they are and who Karasu is and why they are hunting him. There is also the fact that they clearly come from the same place as Yugiri because they say something like "you must be the Rogues Lady Yugiri spoke of."

The point I am trying to make is that it is very likely that Doma is to them what Gridania or Ul'dah is to Eorzea, even if it is a nation it is still likely based around the Doma Village. It's like how we call people from Gridania, Gridanians... not Black Shroudians.

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