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SunTzu7 · **04-21-2015, 08:31 AM**

Teledji was a tool, in every sense of the word really. Imagined himself to be a lot more politically savvy than he actually was.

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As far as everything else goes, Lolorito needs the support of the people. He doesn't mind being seen as a ruthless businessman, but if he's seen as a cackling puppy kicking lunatic, then the mob will rise up against him, and like Ala Mhigo, the place will tear itself apart until Garlemand steps in and is like 'Oh, are you guys not using this city? I'm taking it. Thannnnksss.'

Kage · **04-21-2015, 08:36 AM**

Wasn't Ala Mhigo also eas*ier to take for Garlemald because of the civil unrest there? It'd be foolish for Lolorito to do to Ul'dah what happened to Ala Mhigo, also costing him lots of wealth and power.

Gegenji · **04-21-2015, 08:38 AM**

(04-21-2015, 08:36 AM)Kage Wrote: Wasn't Ala Mhigo also eas*ier to take for Garlemald because of the civil unrest there? It'd be foolish for Lolorito to do to Ul'dah what happened to Ala Mhigo, also costing him lots of wealth and power.

What would be Lolorito's approach to Garlemald anyway? Would he be against them, like everyone else seems to be... or would he try to be trade partners or something with them? I mean, making friendly with the largest military power in Hydaelyn seems like a pretty sound business move.

Kage · **04-21-2015, 08:50 AM**

(04-21-2015, 08:38 AM)Gegenji Wrote:
(04-21-2015, 08:36 AM)Kage Wrote: Wasn't Ala Mhigo also eas*ier to take for Garlemald because of the civil unrest there? It'd be foolish for Lolorito to do to Ul'dah what happened to Ala Mhigo, also costing him lots of wealth and power.

What would be Lolorito's approach to Garlemald anyway? Would he be against them, like everyone else seems to be... or would he try to be trade partners or something with them? I mean, making friendly with the largest military power in Hydaelyn seems like a pretty sound business move.

I believe Lolorito was someone who had dealt with trading Garlemald under the table that only higher ups, WoL, Scions, GC leaders knew. I don't think that the general populace knew.

It's sound as a business move, a bit.

But there's a lot of people who don't like the way the US has relations with a number of countries that are business moves. Present and past.

SunTzu7 · **04-21-2015, 08:51 AM**

Depends on what he considers more important. For wealth's sake, he'd ally with Garlemand because that'd offer more trading capabilities.

But if, as I suspect, it's power that he's after, no. Because Garlemand would either remove him and install a viceroy, or at the very least, he'd be a figurehead. And he would loathe that particular piece of karmic retribution.

Erik Mynhier · **04-21-2015, 12:53 PM**

(04-21-2015, 08:36 AM)Kage Wrote: Wasn't Ala Mhigo also eas*ier to take for Garlemald because of the civil unrest there? It'd be foolish for Lolorito to do to Ul'dah what happened to Ala Mhigo, also costing him lots of wealth and power.

Ala Mhigo was recovering from a civil war that was the cause of the death of so many Fists. The scars emotional of that conflict along with the loss of their Monks left it easy for the Empire.....

.... If I remember the lore correctly.

Aduu Avagnar · **04-21-2015, 12:54 PM**

(04-21-2015, 12:53 PM)Erik Mynhier Wrote:
(04-21-2015, 08:36 AM)Kage Wrote: Wasn't Ala Mhigo also eas*ier to take for Garlemald because of the civil unrest there? It'd be foolish for Lolorito to do to Ul'dah what happened to Ala Mhigo, also costing him lots of wealth and power.

Ala Mhigo was recovering from a civil war that was the cause of the death of so many Fists. The scars emotional of that conflict along with the loss of their Monks left it easy for the Empire.....

.... If I remember the lore correctly.

A civil war that I believe was engineered by the Empire.

Erik Mynhier · **04-21-2015, 01:10 PM**

(04-21-2015, 12:54 PM)Nakoli Chalahko Wrote:
(04-21-2015, 12:53 PM)Erik Mynhier Wrote:
(04-21-2015, 08:36 AM)Kage Wrote: Wasn't Ala Mhigo also eas*ier to take for Garlemald because of the civil unrest there? It'd be foolish for Lolorito to do to Ul'dah what happened to Ala Mhigo, also costing him lots of wealth and power.

Ala Mhigo was recovering from a civil war that was the cause of the death of so many Fists. The scars emotional of that conflict along with the loss of their Monks left it easy for the Empire.....

.... If I remember the lore correctly.
A civil war that I believe was engineered by the Empire.

That is how I remember it. It was made all the easier to take as the Empire aided the "bad side" of the war. If I remember it right... a long time ago mind you.... the ruler at the fall of Ala Mhigo was a dictator of types.

SunTzu7 · **04-21-2015, 01:36 PM**

Yeah he was a tyrant, and Gaius engineered the civil war so that Ala Mhigo would be ripe for the fall. I dunno if it's stated in lore which side he aided, though I'd imagine both.

Kage · **04-21-2015, 01:40 PM**

Yeah the King of Ala Mhigo, Theoderic, was no bueno.

1552 --- Theoderic, the King of Ruin, fought to wipe out the Fist of Rhalgr, the Monks, of Ala Mhigo. Nearly all the Monks were wiped out.
1557 ---
After inciting unrest within the masses of Ala Mhigo, the Garleans are able to capture the city with little bloodshed and proceed to occupy the great city of the Highlanders The Monk-less Ala Mhigans were no match for the mighty power of the Garlean Magitek and Machina.

But the main reasons were the from the state that Ala Mhigo was in. The actions of Theoderic and the help of the Garleans to help incite the anger of the people.

I don't think the masses (even with the flyer propaganda) want to be ruled by Garlemald, and Lolorito siding with them, even for business, wouldn't work favorably for him. For Garlemald, oh hells yes they sorta win either way, but Lolorito wouldn't do well if that were to happen.

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