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Sig · **08-06-2015, 06:10 PM**

(08-06-2015, 05:57 PM)War Siren Wrote: Plus Boners and Blue Balls don't affect the emotional states of being, so in a game where Two classes use emotional states of being, as part of the classes structure and lore.. it becomes a bit more important.

If you would ever want to know I would A.) Not be insulted, and freely share information. B.) Not even think anything further than oh she's researching her character.

....Whaaaat?! Â Those two things effect emotional states of being all the time! Â Hell, they control most actions for many, many men. Â

...But really, this thread is starting to drift sligggghtly off the rails. Â

I think we're stuck in a pattern of, "who cares vs. depends on individual vs. is menstruation even real? vs. this is a... special topic vs. fat cat references vs. why gods?"Â

Another tonberry for your thoughts:Â

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Flickering Ember · **08-06-2015, 06:11 PM**

(08-06-2015, 08:43 AM)War Siren Wrote: But scientifically the cycle does cause hormonal imbalance which does effect emotions and moods, and as stated effects every one differently. Men's IMS, does almost the exact same thing mentally/emotionally.Â

I do wonder how many people here have finished the Warrior and or Dark Knight quest lines and grasp how a Hormonal induced mood swing could throw the balance off kilter of these two classes "balance". (again I'm dragging Men's IMS as well.)

I really think to flat out tell someone to drop something that is a natural cycle of life, that could actually affect the characters balance depending on how they deal with the influx of Hormonal balance is a tad bit closed minded as both of these natural processes could play a very interesting twist onto the character for a few days a month.Â

Remember the people who take up these mantles aren't like you or me or even your mages or paladins anymore. They're struggling internally for a balance, and while yes some may not be affected at all by it because it doesn't bother them much some may be teetering to lose control on a daily basis and this cycle would be cause for alarm for them mentally.

Not every woman experiences mood changes. Yes, there are hormones changing but it doesn't always result in moodiness. Yes, there are hormonal changes. Yes, mood changes affect a significant portion of women. But it's not something that turns women into angry berserkers. It plays off of what is already there.

For example, I tend to experience depression, as already noted. But if I don't have a reason to be depressed, if I'm having a good month then I'm not going to be depressed. These symptoms play on what is already there. If you're already a rational, logical person who is good at controlling the Inner Beast, then a period isn't so drastic that it will suddenly make you lose control. If you're an emotional wreck 90% of the time then why does the period matter? That's not the period making you that way: that's all you.

Mood changes are supposed to occur primarily BEFORE your period anyway. That is worth mentioning. Supposedly 1-2 weeks before your period, even. As a woman who does experience emotional changes, this is really only noticeable the last few days before a period.Â

Menstrual cycles do influence emotions. But they don't do so in such a radical way. You're still you. You still have logic. (If I'm depressed before a period you better believe I have actual logical, REAL factors in my life to be depressed about) You're wanting to know how much a menstrual cycle would influence things such as the Inner Beast. I fully believe the differences would not be hindering or difficult to manage.Â

At least not anymore so than just having a bad day or not being satisfied with your lot in life--something that everyone experiences at some point. I'm not that interested in how menstrual cycles affect something like the Inner Beast because it's an incredibly mundane part of a woman's life. (unless you're unfortunate to get some really horrifying symptoms)
It's really not that much of a gamechanger, it's just life--but I don't imagine that's something you can know without experiencing first hand.

I'm aware that men have a cycle too but it doesn't have the impact that a menstrual cycle does. Men have not been subject to stereotypes or had laws dictating what they can or cannot do during their time of the month. They don't need to see a doctor when things get weird down there (as a result of their cycle) nor do they need to make an emergency run to the market, to invest their own personal money into this biological upkeep. There are similarities but not enough to the point where a man can step into a woman's shoes on this point.

So, I think if you want to consider how a person's emotional states factors into the Inner Beast, it would be better to go by life events. What is your character's temperament? Â Is your character down on their luck? Have they ever lost a loved one? Have they gone through something traumatic? Do they have emotional illness? Anger problems? These are more likely to cause problems than a menstrual cycle will.

The type of hormonal imbalance you are talking about in regards to Inner Beast feels like something someone would go to the doctor for, like a thyroid problem. It shouldn't be so strong that your character is flying off the handle, unless they are already emotionally inclined to be that way to begin with.

Kiur · **08-06-2015, 06:13 PM**

(08-06-2015, 06:10 PM)Sig Wrote:
(08-06-2015, 05:57 PM)War Siren Wrote: snip

I think we're stuck in a pattern of, "who cares vs. depends on individual vs. is menstruation even real? vs. this is a... special topic vs. fat cat references vs. why gods?"Â

I'm noticing that too.Â
Seems people have in fact, gotten uncomfortable over the subject.
Too bad.

Flashhelix · **08-06-2015, 06:14 PM**

(08-06-2015, 05:57 PM)War Siren Wrote: I'm sorry I'm more detail oriented than you?Â

Congratulations, you're obsessed with useless details.

(08-06-2015, 05:58 PM)War Siren Wrote: Because you're being really daft right now.

The passive-aggression is real.

I honestly am miffed with many of the attempts to derail the thread. We haven't even scratched the surface of what we can achieve in this line of discussion.

In Eorzea, do skeletons have dreams?

-no longer matters- · **08-06-2015, 06:16 PM**

(08-06-2015, 06:11 PM)Flickering Ember Wrote:
(08-06-2015, 08:43 AM)War Siren Wrote: But scientifically the cycle does cause hormonal imbalance which does effect emotions and moods, and as stated effects every one differently. Men's IMS, does almost the exact same thing mentally/emotionally.Â

I do wonder how many people here have finished the Warrior and or Dark Knight quest lines and grasp how a Hormonal induced mood swing could throw the balance off kilter of these two classes "balance". (again I'm dragging Men's IMS as well.)

I really think to flat out tell someone to drop something that is a natural cycle of life, that could actually affect the characters balance depending on how they deal with the influx of Hormonal balance is a tad bit closed minded as both of these natural processes could play a very interesting twist onto the character for a few days a month.Â

Remember the people who take up these mantles aren't like you or me or even your mages or paladins anymore. They're struggling internally for a balance, and while yes some may not be affected at all by it because it doesn't bother them much some may be teetering to lose control on a daily basis and this cycle would be cause for alarm for them mentally.

Not every woman experiences mood changes. Yes, there are hormones changing but it doesn't always result in moodiness. Yes, there are hormonal changes. Yes, mood changes affect a significant portion of women. But it's not something that turns women into angry berserkers. It plays off of what is already there.

For example, I tend to experience depression, as already noted. But if I don't have a reason to be depressed, if I'm having a good month then I'm not going to be depressed. These symptoms play on what is already there. If you're already a rational, logical person who is good at controlling the Inner Beast, then a period isn't so drastic that it will suddenly make you lose control. If you're an emotional wreck 90% of the time then why does the period matter? That's not the period making you that way: that's all you.

Mood changes are supposed to occur primarily BEFORE your period anyway. That is worth mentioning. Supposedly 1-2 weeks before your period, even. As a woman who does experience emotional changes, this is really only noticeable the last few days before a period.Â

Menstrual cycles do influence emotions. But they don't do so in such a radical way. You're still you. You still have logic. (If I'm depressed before a period you better believe I have actual logical, REAL factors in my life to be depressed about) You're wanting to know how much a menstrual cycle would influence things such as the Inner Beast. I fully believe the differences would not be hindering or difficult to manage.Â

At least not anymore so than just having a bad day or not being satisfied with your lot in life--something that everyone experiences at some point. I'm not that interested in how menstrual cycles affect something like the Inner Beast because it's an incredibly mundane part of a woman's life. (unless you're unfortunate to get some really horrifying symptoms)
It's really not that much of a gamechanger, it's just life--but I don't imagine that's something you can know without experiencing first hand.

I'm aware that men have a cycle too but it doesn't have the impact that a menstrual cycle does. Men have not been subject to stereotypes or had laws dictating what they can or cannot do during their time of the month. They don't need to see a doctor when things get weird down there (as a result of their cycle) nor do they need to make an emergency run to the market, to invest their own personal money into this biological upkeep. There are similarities but not enough to the point where a man can step into a woman's shoes on this point.

So, I think if you want to consider how a person's emotional states factors into the Inner Beast, it would be better to go by life events. What is your character's temperament? Â Is your character down on their luck? Have they ever lost a loved one? Have they gone through something traumatic? Do they have emotional illness? Anger problems? These are more likely to cause problems than a menstrual cycle will.

The type of hormonal imbalance you are talking about in regards to Inner Beast feels like something someone would go to the doctor for, like a thyroid problem. It shouldn't be so strong that your character is flying off the handle, unless they are already emotionally inclined to be that way to begin with.

The problem may lie in my perception of how much will is exerted to hold these forces back and others. Personally I figure it would be a tremendous amount of will power not something you just willy nilly deal with day by day. I just imagine if it was that easy everyone would be one of these two classes in Eorzea. But yeah I see what you and people like Roda and Mae are saying.

KitKat · **08-06-2015, 06:19 PM**

(08-06-2015, 05:58 PM)War Siren Wrote:
(08-06-2015, 05:52 PM)Faye Wrote: I dunno. I have a male character. I feel like it would be pretty weird and borderline offensive if I asked men how boners or "blue balls" effect their everyday lives so I can know how to RP men more "realistically," or if I wanted an in-depth discussion about circumcision in Eorzea because I really wanted to know if my character should be circumcised. I can't say I've ever found myself wondering these things when playing a male character.

(08-06-2015, 05:50 PM)War Siren Wrote: also your edit examples do not apply to this scenario. Have you even played the Warrior or Dark Knight stories? Do you know where their power sources/control over them come from??

Not from their ovaries, I can tell you that much.
No but the hormones affect the emotional states.. really are you really only reading selected lines you feel like it? Because you're being really daft right now.

I think what's got people up in arms is that this entire thread has read like you were fishing for plausibility because you've already RP'd your character this way. Whenever someone would say that periods are not really likely to have much effect on these things, you chime in and say "yeah, but what if...."

If you accepted their criticism and advice on the topic, it wouldn't have gotten nearly as far as it has.

Roda · **08-06-2015, 06:22 PM**

(08-06-2015, 06:16 PM)War Siren Wrote: The problem may lie in my perception of how much will is exerted to hold these forces back and others. Personally I figure it would be a tremendous amount of will power not something you just willy nilly deal with day by day. I just imagine if it was that easy everyone would be one of these two classes in Eorzea. But yeah I see what you and people like Roda and Mae are saying.

"These forces"
You talking dark knight powers or hormones?
Dark knight powers: idk up to your headcanons.
hormones: I wouldn't even call them a force. Walking with a pebble in your shoe harder than dealing with pms.

(08-06-2015, 06:19 PM)KitKat Wrote: I think what's got people up in arms is that this entire thread has read like you were fishing for plausibility because you've already RP'd your character this way. Whenever someone would say that periods are not really likely to have much effect on these things, you chime in and say "yeah, but what if...."

If you accepted their criticism and advice on the topic, it wouldn't have gotten nearly as far as it has.

^ Spot on.
I keep posting because I can't reiterate it enough, having these symptoms is NOWHERE NEAR as intense as to majorly/directly affect darkside.

-no longer matters- · **08-06-2015, 06:22 PM**

(08-06-2015, 06:19 PM)KitKat Wrote:
(08-06-2015, 05:58 PM)War Siren Wrote:
(08-06-2015, 05:52 PM)Faye Wrote: I dunno. I have a male character. I feel like it would be pretty weird and borderline offensive if I asked men how boners or "blue balls" effect their everyday lives so I can know how to RP men more "realistically," or if I wanted an in-depth discussion about circumcision in Eorzea because I really wanted to know if my character should be circumcised. I can't say I've ever found myself wondering these things when playing a male character.

(08-06-2015, 05:50 PM)War Siren Wrote: also your edit examples do not apply to this scenario. Have you even played the Warrior or Dark Knight stories? Do you know where their power sources/control over them come from??

Not from their ovaries, I can tell you that much.
No but the hormones affect the emotional states.. really are you really only reading selected lines you feel like it? Because you're being really daft right now.

I think what's got people up in arms is that this entire thread has read like you were fishing for plausibility because you've already RP'd your character this way. Whenever someone would say that periods are not really likely to have much effect on these things, you chime in and say "yeah, but what if...."

If you accepted their criticism and advice on the topic, it wouldn't have gotten nearly as far as it has.

Not one of those people besides Mae actually broached the topic I actually brought up, they keep approaching it as normal people or even martial powered people...

-no longer matters- · **08-06-2015, 06:23 PM**

(08-06-2015, 06:22 PM)Roda Wrote:
(08-06-2015, 06:16 PM)War Siren Wrote: The problem may lie in my perception of how much will is exerted to hold these forces back and others. Personally I figure it would be a tremendous amount of will power not something you just willy nilly deal with day by day. I just imagine if it was that easy everyone would be one of these two classes in Eorzea. But yeah I see what you and people like Roda and Mae are saying.
"These forces"
You talking dark knight powers or hormones?
Dark knight powers: idk up to your headcanons.
hormones: I wouldn't even call them a force. Walking with a pebble in your shoe harder than dealing with pms.

Dark Knight powers, and Inner Beast. The quest lines don't portray them as willy nilly, eh you got this type stuff, yet people keep treating them like they are.. that's where I think the communication barriers keep coming from. It's not my head cannon I go by how the game portrays it.. it's everyone else's Head Cannon assuming they're characters got this.

**Unnamed Mercenary** · **08-06-2015, 06:26 PM**

Let's think about this logically for just a moment.

I'm also only going to address WAR, as I have no unlocked/played/leveled DRK.

In the WAR quests, we see our mentor lose himself to the Inner Beast. He struggles with it in ways the WoL never will. He was set up to lose himself to those feelings.

I can't speak on experience of what having a period is like. (Look up my picture in the IRL thread for proof). But it seems to be very apparent that the possible things a woman might go through during that time of the month isn't going to be the tipping point of losing herself to the Inner Beast or whatever DRKs have.

If she was -already unstable-, it was bound to happen eventually.

This isn't Claymore. Sexual arousal or that time of the month probably isn't the tipping point or we'd have had tons of out of control WARs and DRKs by now that have lost themselves to carnage.

KitKat · **08-06-2015, 06:27 PM**

(08-06-2015, 06:22 PM)War Siren Wrote: Not one of those people besides Mae actually broached the topic I actually brought up, they keep approaching it as normal people or even martial powered people...

But they -did- approach the topic you put to them. You're twisting the context to suit your desires. Like it was said a couple posts ago, walking with a pebble in your shoe is harder to deal with than PMS. A superpowered amazon She-ra dark knight would likely be able to cope with the symptoms (very minor ones, at that) much more easily than a normal woman because she's fucking She-ra and she ain't got no time fo dat PMSin.

Roda · **08-06-2015, 06:27 PM**

(08-06-2015, 06:23 PM)War Siren Wrote:
(08-06-2015, 06:22 PM)Roda Wrote:
(08-06-2015, 06:16 PM)War Siren Wrote: The problem may lie in my perception of how much will is exerted to hold these forces back and others. Personally I figure it would be a tremendous amount of will power not something you just willy nilly deal with day by day. I just imagine if it was that easy everyone would be one of these two classes in Eorzea. But yeah I see what you and people like Roda and Mae are saying.
"These forces"
You talking dark knight powers or hormones?
Dark knight powers: idk up to your headcanons.
hormones: I wouldn't even call them a force. Walking with a pebble in your shoe harder than dealing with pms.
Dark Knight powers, and Inner Beast. The quest lines don't portray them as willy nilly, eh you got this type stuff, yet people keep treating them like they are.. that's where I think the communication barriers keep coming from. It's not my head cannon I go by how the game portrays it.. it's everyone else's Head Cannon assuming they're characters got this.

Ah, yeah. Â Personally my headcanon (even though I haven't finished the storyline so, you know, mounds of salt) is that it's easy to keep down when not in use, but when you're channeling it, things get tricky. Â And the more power you channel at once, the more you are at risk of losing control. Â Kind of like a fire hose. '3'

And

(08-06-2015, 06:21 PM)War Siren Wrote: Listen I get that this can be an uncomfortable subject hell I apologized for it three damn times in the OP, but that doesn't mean that you guys have to come here and try to derail the thread, honestly the thread was over after I replied to Mae's post. But everyone else just keeps it going it's silly.

Don't worry about it. They're the ones being rude, not you.

And

(08-06-2015, 06:27 PM)KitKat Wrote:
(08-06-2015, 06:22 PM)War Siren Wrote: Not one of those people besides Mae actually broached the topic I actually brought up, they keep approaching it as normal people or even martial powered people...

But they -did- approach the topic you put to them. You're twisting the context to suit your desires. Like it was said a couple posts ago, walking with a pebble in your shoe is harder to deal with than PMS. A superpowered amazon She-ra dark knight would likely be able to cope with the symptoms (very minor ones, at that) much more easily than a normal woman because she's fucking She-ra and she ain't got no time fo dat PMSin.

This is why I am treating it like Jane schmane's period. Because compared to darkside/inner beast, pms shouldn't register on your character's radar as a problem.

To continue my comparison, Imagine you've a pebble in your shoe. Now, imagine someone is rapid firing paintballs at your face. You're going to suck up that pain of stepping on that pebble to avoid the pain of all them paintballs. In that moment, you probably wouldn't even feel that pebble.

Melkire · **08-06-2015, 06:30 PM**

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Users Flashhelix and Mamushi have been placed on post moderation status for the next 24 hours. This action has been taken in response to a combination of low effort posting, excessive passive-aggressive responses bordering on hostility, attempts to derail, feeding into each other, etc. Warnings will be left to moderators to issue, should they deem such appropriate.

I understand that this topic is apparently a controversial one by dint of the nature of the questions put forth. That doesn't mean we should stop being civil and devolve into derogatory derision.

Thank You.

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-no longer matters- · **08-06-2015, 06:33 PM**

(08-06-2015, 06:30 PM)Melkire Wrote: [Admin Hardhat]

Users Flashhelix and Mamushi have been placed on post moderation status for the next 24 hours. This action has been taken in response to a combination of low effort posting, excessive passive-aggressive responses bordering on hostility, attempts to derail, feeding into each other, etc. Warnings will be left to moderators to issue, should they deem such appropriate.

I understand that this topic is apparently a controversial one by dint of the nature of the questions put forth. That doesn't mean we should stop being civil and devolve into derogatory derision.

Thank You.

[/Admin Hardhat]

Hey Melkire can you just shut the thread down? Mae (as I keep pointing out and people keep ignoring.) pretty much answered the thread a few pages ago!

Flickering Ember · **08-06-2015, 06:34 PM**

(08-06-2015, 06:21 PM)War Siren Wrote: Listen I get that this can be an uncomfortable subject hell I apologized for it three damn times in the OP, but that doesn't mean that you guys have to come here and try to derail the thread, honestly the thread was over after I replied to Mae's post. But everyone else just keeps it going it's silly.

It is uncomfortable, but do you understand why?Â
It's not uncomfortable because of society treating period discussion as a taboo.
It's not uncomfortable because it deals with bodily fluids.

It's uncomfortable because, well, to beat around the bush, if someone were to ask me:Â

"Ember, what are some tips for RPing a female character?"

...I would include "Emotional fluctuations affecting superpowers negatively" as something not to do.

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So crazy, awkward but albeit serious question about a natural cycle and RP.

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