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Tierney Weaver · **07-06-2015, 09:25 PM**

(07-06-2015, 09:07 PM)allgivenover Wrote:
(07-06-2015, 09:00 PM)Tierney Weaver Wrote: Adding depth to actions isn't a problem, I just get mad when people flood their /emotes with thoughts.

I don't tell people they can't do thought emotes, but I do tell them not to get mad because I don't RP my character as privy to them.

No one's doing that. It's just frowned upon and it spams other peoples' chats. It's about being understanding to other people.

Or you could just say that you don't give a shit about them, yes, ofcourse.

allgivenover · **07-06-2015, 10:13 PM**

I've had a few get ticked at me for not heeding them, not many.

Blue · **07-06-2015, 10:50 PM**

(07-06-2015, 04:50 AM)Meena Wrote: One of my peeves which makes me ignore Ul'dah like the plague it can be is when people who roleplay outsiders to Eorzea - mainly Au ra recently and at times other human continent people and act as if they own the city and/or can ignore the city states laws.

it is to my understanding that refugees are not allowed in the city sate and are held out the gates. So, why are so many people within the city when they clearly aren't citizens.
When my character is in the city it is to hand in a leve quest in the city and then quickly GTFO before the brass blade throw her out.

I know, I know - it is the hangout spot, everyone loves a bar. But we aren't the hero of light, most of us aren't actual adventurers and -many- people fail to remember in (was it 2.2 or 2.3) that Domans were thrown out of the city and were only given a home in Mor Dhona.

To ad to this - it would be really nice for people to.. perhaps play along to those who are Ul'dahn. When an Ul'dahn asks how you got into the city or asks if you're a adventurer and you say no - with no legitimate reason for being in the city, don't blow up at them for wanting to enforce their own city-states laws.

Laws are important.

Yeah, I actually hang out in Mor Dhona when RPing my two Au Ra refugees, and had expected it to become a hub for Au Ra RPers. Was kinda surprised to find no one else there >.< ....

Tierney Weaver · **07-06-2015, 11:22 PM**

(07-06-2015, 10:50 PM)Blue Wrote:
(07-06-2015, 04:50 AM)Meena Wrote: One of my peeves which makes me ignore Ul'dah like the plague it can be is when people who roleplay outsiders to Eorzea - mainly Au ra recently and at times other human continent people and act as if they own the city and/or can ignore the city states laws.

it is to my understanding that refugees are not allowed in the city sate and are held out the gates. So, why are so many people within the city when they clearly aren't citizens.
When my character is in the city it is to hand in a leve quest in the city and then quickly GTFO before the brass blade throw her out.

I know, I know - it is the hangout spot, everyone loves a bar. But we aren't the hero of light, most of us aren't actual adventurers and -many- people fail to remember in (was it 2.2 or 2.3) that Domans were thrown out of the city and were only given a home in Mor Dhona.

To ad to this - it would be really nice for people to.. perhaps play along to those who are Ul'dahn. When an Ul'dahn asks how you got into the city or asks if you're a adventurer and you say no - with no legitimate reason for being in the city, don't blow up at them for wanting to enforce their own city-states laws.

Laws are important.

Yeah, I actually hang out in Mor Dhona when RPing my two Au Ra refugees, and had expected it to become a hub for Au Ra RPers. Was kinda surprised to find no one else there >.< ....

A group of auri sometimes roleplay at the refugee camp just outside of Ul'dah, in Central Thanalan, you can try that place. I've been trying to lure people into that spot,Â but they don't seem interested

Meena · **07-07-2015, 02:06 AM**

(07-06-2015, 11:22 PM)Tierney Weaver Wrote:
(07-06-2015, 10:50 PM)Blue Wrote:
(07-06-2015, 04:50 AM)Meena Wrote: One of my peeves which makes me ignore Ul'dah like the plague it can be is when people who roleplay outsiders to Eorzea - mainly Au ra recently and at times other human continent people and act as if they own the city and/or can ignore the city states laws.

it is to my understanding that refugees are not allowed in the city sate and are held out the gates. So, why are so many people within the city when they clearly aren't citizens.
When my character is in the city it is to hand in a leve quest in the city and then quickly GTFO before the brass blade throw her out.

I know, I know - it is the hangout spot, everyone loves a bar. But we aren't the hero of light, most of us aren't actual adventurers and -many- people fail to remember in (was it 2.2 or 2.3) that Domans were thrown out of the city and were only given a home in Mor Dhona.

To ad to this - it would be really nice for people to.. perhaps play along to those who are Ul'dahn. When an Ul'dahn asks how you got into the city or asks if you're a adventurer and you say no - with no legitimate reason for being in the city, don't blow up at them for wanting to enforce their own city-states laws.

Laws are important.

Yeah, I actually hang out in Mor Dhona when RPing my two Au Ra refugees, and had expected it to become a hub for Au Ra RPers. Was kinda surprised to find no one else there >.< ....

A group of auri sometimes roleplay at the refugee camp just outside of Ul'dah, in Central Thanalan, you can try that place. I've been trying to lure people into that spot,Â but they don't seem interested

I try to rp where I can for my characters - I encourage others to try rping in Mor Dhona and other areas too. ><

Blue · **07-07-2015, 02:29 AM**

(07-06-2015, 11:22 PM)Tierney Weaver Wrote:
(07-06-2015, 10:50 PM)Blue Wrote:
(07-06-2015, 04:50 AM)Meena Wrote: One of my peeves which makes me ignore Ul'dah like the plague it can be is when people who roleplay outsiders to Eorzea - mainly Au ra recently and at times other human continent people and act as if they own the city and/or can ignore the city states laws.

it is to my understanding that refugees are not allowed in the city sate and are held out the gates. So, why are so many people within the city when they clearly aren't citizens.
When my character is in the city it is to hand in a leve quest in the city and then quickly GTFO before the brass blade throw her out.

I know, I know - it is the hangout spot, everyone loves a bar. But we aren't the hero of light, most of us aren't actual adventurers and -many- people fail to remember in (was it 2.2 or 2.3) that Domans were thrown out of the city and were only given a home in Mor Dhona.

To ad to this - it would be really nice for people to.. perhaps play along to those who are Ul'dahn. When an Ul'dahn asks how you got into the city or asks if you're a adventurer and you say no - with no legitimate reason for being in the city, don't blow up at them for wanting to enforce their own city-states laws.

Laws are important.

Yeah, I actually hang out in Mor Dhona when RPing my two Au Ra refugees, and had expected it to become a hub for Au Ra RPers. Was kinda surprised to find no one else there >.< ....

A group of auri sometimes roleplay at the refugee camp just outside of Ul'dah, in Central Thanalan, you can try that place. I've been trying to lure people into that spot,Â but they don't seem interested

Unfortunately my characters have already ICly been rejected by Ul'dah, and invited to go to Mor Dhona (I'm in a group that RPs the MSQ), so as per instructions they live there in change of work to help build and expand the hamlet. Maybe I'll go there once they are free from their debt to the Toll. As of now, they're pretty much forced to stay there and work until they've paid off.

Uther · **07-07-2015, 02:34 AM**

This is going to be a bit of a vent:

Why is everyone in this game, regardless of their background or training, the best fighter in the world who can't be beaten by anyone?

I RP a pretty tough dude. He's certainly not the toughest in the world, and I don't go around claiming he is, so it bothers me when I see people RPing sixteen year old girls who can take on armies by themselves because they carry some doofy daggers and believe in themselves hard enough. It throws off my sense of scale for who is strong and who is not in this world.

Look, I get that it's fantasy, and a lot of people like to bend reality's laws for the sake of some cool headcanon, and maybe I'm the problem here. When I made my character, I thought "I want my character to be pretty strong looking" so I bulked him up with muscle and size (Highlander, 100/100 muscle tone, 90/100 height). And there are now like... lalafell throwing tables through walls and whatever.

I don't pick fights with other characters, because it's a strange thing to RP. But it seems to me that there's very little humility among a lot of RPers, when I watch emoted encounters. Everyone wants to be Cloud Strife or whoever-the-hell the cool anime dude is now (idk, it's never been my thing) and no one wants to accept that there are people stronger or more skilled than they are. Again, not saying that stronger or more skilled person is necessarily my character, but RPing a "pretty good fighter" who knows his limits really puts you at the bottom rung of the ladder when everyone else is RPing Jesus of Nazareth.

Even when people bring up their shortcomings IC, it's never a physical thing. It's always some "I care too much/ I love too deeply/ I am haunted by nightmares" scenario.

This might be a bit too realistic of an outlook in a fantasy world, and I might be totally in the wrong. I just tend to look at other races from a physical standpoint of "He's bigger/smaller than I am, he's probably stronger/weaker than I am, generally speaking." Of course there may be a magic-wielding lalafell who could put me on my ass, or a miqo'te woman with daggers who is a lot quicker and stealthier and gets to me before I can do anything, but these cases should be rare, whereas "Big guy with an axe who is strong from being a big guy with an axe" is pretty common. I shouldn't have to explain to a 5'6 midlander why, no, his one-armed push did not knock down my 250 pound man. Amazing, Shaolin Monk style strength in shorter individuals should be the exception, not the rule, in my opinion.

I'm not really looking for a solution to this problem. More of just an ear to hear me complain about it, and this felt like the place to do it.Â

But yeah, I guess my message is: Think about your character's skill level. If they're the best at everything, they're probably pissing people off.

...

Also, can we move some RP out of the Quicksand and the housing districts? I'm in a small FC, so I'm frequently looking for walk-ups and I know there isÂ RP outside of these places, but it's always much smaller, harder to find, and more exclusive. There used to be a "Where are you RPing right now?" thread or something of that sort on this forum a few years ago, and I wish it hadn't gone away.

Sorry for the rant. Just something that bugs me.

Meena · **07-07-2015, 02:43 AM**

(07-07-2015, 02:34 AM)Tancred Wrote: And there are now like... lalafell throwing tables through walls and whatever.
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Also, can we move some RP out of the Quicksand and the housing districts? I'm in a small FC, so I'm frequently looking for walk-ups and I know there isÂ RP outside of these places, but it's always much smaller, harder to find, and more exclusive. There used to be a "Where are you RPing right now?" thread or something of that sort on this forum a few years ago, and I wish it hadn't gone away.

Sorry for the rant. Just something that bugs me.

1st point: Its been said in the storyline, well shown more so than said that lalafells are as physiclly strong as most hyurian men. They have been shown in 1.0 and other quest lines in 2.0 to be as capable at combat as the next person. In fact, Lalafell in 1.0 could throw people overboard etc in the limsaian storyline.

2nd point:
Yes, 100% agree. I try and encourage it but most people don't rend to bite on it.

Uther · **07-07-2015, 03:01 AM**

(07-07-2015, 02:43 AM)Meena Wrote: 1st point: Its been said in the storyline, well shown more so than said that lalafells are as physiclly strong as most hyurian men. They have been shown in 1.0 and other quest lines in 2.0 to be as capable at combat as the next person. In fact, Lalafell in 1.0 could throw people overboard etc in the limsaian storyline.

2nd point:
Yes, 100% agree. I try and encourage it but most people don't rend to bite on it.

1st point: Discounting the fact that physics entirely disagrees with this logic because it's a fantasy world and, y'know, whatever, I'll bite the bullet for the sake of the game's lore, a person who is 3'2 will lose to a person of equal skill that is 6'6. They just will. It's a simple question of arm's reach. Big guy can hit little guy before little guy can hit big guy. If Big Guy's quick enough (not super quick, just fast enough to swing a thing at something running toward him), he essentially gets a free attack. Lalafells don't have super speed to make up for it. I have an Elezen, a Hyur, and a Lalafell and they all run the same speed. Am I going to tell a lalafell RPer that his warrior is not strong and is weaker than other races? Certainly not. But there is a handicap there, even if it isn't strength based. There is. Sorry, lalafell players. Surprise, your arms are shorter than everyone else's, and your weapons are smaller.

But I don't want to get into this, because I'm here to vent with everyone else, not fight everyone about lalafells' war aptitude. Wasn't the point I was trying to make. I'd be equally mad if any race god-moded their fighting skills to emote-kill any passing stranger because they're really into themselves. My whole point was that it's incorrect to assume your character is the strongest person in the room every time they enter a room.

2nd point: I'm an adventure-RPer. I can't do tavern RP for a long time, and if I am doing it, I'd like it to be in a place far outside the 3 big cities. I know your struggle. I only know like two or three people who truly venture outward to RP.

Pascaleret · **07-07-2015, 03:30 AM**

Caspar · **07-07-2015, 04:59 AM**

(07-07-2015, 03:01 AM)Tancred Wrote:
(07-07-2015, 02:43 AM)Meena Wrote: 1st point: Its been said in the storyline, well shown more so than said that lalafells are as physiclly strong as most hyurian men. They have been shown in 1.0 and other quest lines in 2.0 to be as capable at combat as the next person. In fact, Lalafell in 1.0 could throw people overboard etc in the limsaian storyline.

2nd point:
Yes, 100% agree. I try and encourage it but most people don't rend to bite on it.

1st point: Discounting the fact that physics entirely disagrees with this logic because it's a fantasy world and, y'know, whatever, I'll bite the bullet for the sake of the game's lore, a person who is 3'2 will lose to a person of equal skill that is 6'6. They just will. It's a simple question of arm's reach. Big guy can hit little guy before little guy can hit big guy. If Big Guy's quick enough (not super quick, just fast enough to swing a thing at something running toward him), he essentially gets a free attack. Lalafells don't have super speed to make up for it. I have an Elezen, a Hyur, and a Lalafell and they all run the same speed. Am I going to tell a lalafell RPer that his warrior is not strong and is weaker than other races? Certainly not. But there is a handicap there, even if it isn't strength based. There is. Sorry, lalafell players. Surprise, your arms are shorter than everyone else's, and your weapons are smaller.

But I don't want to get into this, because I'm here to vent with everyone else, not fight everyone about lalafells' war aptitude. Wasn't the point I was trying to make. I'd be equally mad if any race god-moded their fighting skills to emote-kill any passing stranger because they're really into themselves. My whole point was that it's incorrect to assume your character is the strongest person in the room every time they enter a room.

2nd point: I'm an adventure-RPer. I can't do tavern RP for a long time, and if I am doing it, I'd like it to be in a place far outside the 3 big cities. I know your struggle. I only know like two or three people who truly venture outward to RP.

Forgive me for drawing this point out, but you did bring it up, and the argument has been done to death in the Grindstone threads. Suffice to say, since it invalidates the entire point of my charater's existence and others like it, I personally cannot abide it. So I mean, of course I'm pretty biased.

This is a world where fistfighters of sufficient skill can canonically fire laserbeams strong enough to lift them bodily off the ground and channel heat-seeking orbs of aether that explode on contact. (I'm going to hold Elixir Field and Forbidden Chakra over the grittier rpers forever, you can count on it...) A tiny person who hits hard shouldn't be much of a stretch. Give them the benefit of the doubt; not every lalafell player who approaches rp from this angle is unaware of how rare that kind of strength ought to be, to say nothing of its consequences. Some will recognize the disadvantage of reach, or understand that their character is effectively a freak for being able to put out the muscle power of a creature much larger than their size implies, and rp the side-effects, both physical and mental, of training to do so. Like becoming socially and educationally stunted due to monomaniacal focus on training, or losing, despite all their strength, due to rushing in heedlessly; my character has fallen victim to that countless times, despite being, on paper, way more dangerous than most. She's lost more than she's won, and that's done a lot of good things for her character development even as it damages her credibility. To me, experience should beat talent, but it'd be boring if every physically strong character was a roeg or highlander, honestly. To assume other races will lose is godmoding, and inconsistent with the setting to boot.

On another note, I feel like I see way more gritty highlander dudes with a mean sword arm and years of non-rp'd experience far more often than the supposed animu Cloud clones. That could just be the company I make.

I think there ought be some nod to the disadvantages being short entails, but assuming they should lose just because of it before the fight even starts strikes me as a bit unfair. That being said, I agree it is wrong to assume everyone else is weaker. Generally the approach I take is, if they're more experienced, they win if they're creative enough to make up the gap in intensity of training; no amount of training from hell beats actual combat experience. Or I just /roll, because I always lose /roll, lol.

That aside, since you're looking at a wide gradient of believability, things not fitting into one's personal perception of believability is a pet peeve that is pretty easy to understand. The game and setting itself are at odds with our physics and your sense of realism, so you're going to see a lot of people doing all kinds of crazy stuff. I find it funny that a lot of people are willing to accept the existence of magic and aether, but cannot wrap their head around a person of slight build fighting equally with a person who easily dwarfs them in height and baraness, but these are separate aesthetic concepts that don't mix easily; the martial and magical have been held to inconsistent standards even as far back as the earliest editions of D&D, and fantasy has suffered for it. But that's not going to change the fact that people who go into the game looking to play a hero with a certain aesthetic, especially the low fantasy kind, are going to run into annoying inconsistencies. It is difficult to reconcile their view of what should be possible amongst martial archetypes with those of someone who took to Eastern fantasy, where people are driven mad by reading martial arts' scrolls backwards, fly over rooftops, bore perfect holes in your skull from a distance and handle swords with masterful precision using nothing but ribbons. You can fire lasers and block bullets? What is a gunner going to do, or a non-magical archer? It's things like that which can really damage immersion for a specific kind of player, one way or another, if not handled carefully, and I understand it can be frustrating both ways. It's for this reason that I think it pays to have a very flexible idea of what to do in a scene that matches the mood or general grittiness of the environment. If people want to do stuff in a very mundane way, players shouldn't be afraid to craft excuses to make things more low key, or just handwave it so that the scene stays consistent and feels right. Players come from different backgrounds in fiction, but there is nothing to say we cannot interact in the same scenes because of it, if we're willing to meet halfway or trust the other player isn't powergaming simply for the sake of it.

Z'leilan · **07-07-2015, 05:17 AM**

When people in RP come up with wall-of-text emotes, that are overly descriptive and use unecessarily overcomplicated and/or specialised words. Especially when the emote includes something that the character says and then continues with another emote.

Please keep it nice and simple!

Brevity is the soul of wit!

Meena · **07-07-2015, 05:18 AM**

Seeing as some of the most famous and successful sumo wrestlers are near half the size of their opponents? I have to disagree.

Meena · **07-07-2015, 05:21 AM**

(07-07-2015, 02:34 AM)Tancred Wrote: snip

Also, you can't just disregard things that happen in game. So what your 6'0 character can get pummeled by a 3'5 person. this is a fantasy game, the real world physics dont apply.

The lore has shown that lalafells are as strong as Hyur. Deal with it. But to simply acknowledge your character is inherently stronger due to size? that's a little dismissive.

Hyakki · **07-07-2015, 05:31 AM**

Existing near me.

(So as not to be flagged for low-effort shitposting, I find the majority of roleplayers outside my circle to be insufferable both IC and OOC, there are occasional gems met at random but they become rarer by the day)

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