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Warren Castille · **10-24-2014, 10:13 AM**

(10-24-2014, 10:07 AM)Unnamed Mercenary Wrote: Lore panel at Fanfest kinda competed with that. While the GarleansÂ would off the leaders, they led us to believe that the Garleans mostly kept the culture the same, just under new leadership. Keeps the conquered people "happier". Let's not forget the Garleans would tryto sway them with words first, actions second, and violence last. The exceptions to that seem to the be a certain Legatus who liked killing people (Nael) and one that conspired with the Ascians (Gaius).

Hmm. That's interesting, and makes a degree of sense but seems almost too gentle from the baddies we've had to face. It'll be interesting to see where it develops.

Thinking about it, though, most jobs haven't really played out the way people expected them to. Barring maybe monk, black mage and arguably warrior, everything else got a new spin on lore.

Paladins aren't holy knights.

White mages borrow elemental spirits/succor to heal, it's not just "white magic."

Scholar isn't like any other scholar in the series, and summoner is a pet job with mini-summons that aren't the focus.

Dragoons still kill dragons, but the lore for the Azure dragoon stands out, as does the dragon psuedo-tempering.

Bards use bows, not instruments.

Is it possible that NIN (and SAM, inevitably) buck this and give us straight examples? Sure, but I'm not sold that Doma = renamed Edo-era Japan. That's still just putting your money on them unashamedly dropping Japan into the game.

Then again, this is SE.

Aldotsk · **10-24-2014, 10:13 AM**

(10-24-2014, 09:49 AM)Warren Castille Wrote:
(10-24-2014, 09:40 AM)Aldotsk Wrote: Chances are that Doma is probably exactly what Japan's Edo era was (Oda reign). But that's just my grain of salt and I've decided to play with it.

That's blind optimism and hopes, nothing more. Aside from a couple of vaguely-japanese-sounding-names there's not a single thing to dictate what Doma is going to be like.

You DO realize it was conquered by Garlemald, right? You know what conquering civilizations tend to do to the old cultures, right?

Debatable. Not -all- countries get developed right away after they were conquered. It takes lot of decades for old civilizations and cultures to slowly fade away.

During Meiji to early 1900 period, it took China, Korea and Japan to slowly accept westerner cultures, and also it took a long time for China and Korea to have their cultures disappear. Took at least 20-40 years to accept modernization since they were conquered.

Everything is just a prediction as Berrod says, and we don't know anything about it.

As for my far east character, she's from an island away from Othard and Doma that is in a civil war within their own clans. So it's really a bit different from actual people who live in Doma to avoid any lore conflicts. It's just a hint that her clans do have ninjas and samurais (swordsman to current term).

There is still yet to see if Ala Mhigo completely inherited technology of Garleans yet anyways. We'll have to see by Heavensward maybe if it gives us the opportunity to see further norther regions.

Aldotsk · **10-24-2014, 10:15 AM**

(10-24-2014, 10:13 AM)Warren Castille Wrote: Is it possible that NIN (and SAM, inevitably) buck this and give us straight examples? Sure, but I'm not sold that Doma = renamed Edo-era Japan. That's still just putting your money on them unashamedly dropping Japan into the game.

Then again, this is SE.

Since you've played FFXI, I'll have to let you know that Vanadiel lores and their far east lores were still extremely vague about the true aspects of Ninja and Samurai lores aside from the quests that they give you. Some of the regions were still hidden and unexplained.

So this will also be another washed up part where we may not know until further expansions.

Warren Castille · **10-24-2014, 10:20 AM**

(10-24-2014, 10:13 AM)Aldotsk Wrote: As for my far east character, she's from an island away from Othard and Doma that is in a civil war within their own clans. So it's really a bit different from actual people who live in Doma to avoid any lore conflicts. It's just a hint that her clans do have ninjas and samurais (swordsman to current term).

I'm sure you can see why such an original character bristles with people trying to tell stories within the lore, then. Making up classes and home towns and cultures doesn't break the lore, not exactly, but if I make a character dual-wielding machine guns who comes from Eagleland and handwave it away as "Oh, it's far, you've probably never heard of it" it's going to raise some eyebrows.

Actually, it'll lead to people just ignoring me and refusing to RP.

(10-24-2014, 10:15 AM)Aldotsk Wrote: Since you've played FFXI, I'll have to let you know that Vanadiel lores and their far east lores were still extremely vague about the true aspects of Ninja and Samurai lores aside from the quests that they give you. Some of the regions were still hidden and unexplained.

So this will also be another washed up part where we may not know until further expansions.

XI didn't force job identity down your throat with the AF quests.

Aldotsk · **10-24-2014, 10:26 AM**

(10-24-2014, 10:20 AM)Warren Castille Wrote:
(10-24-2014, 10:13 AM)Aldotsk Wrote: As for my far east character, she's from an island away from Othard and Doma that is in a civil war within their own clans. So it's really a bit different from actual people who live in Doma to avoid any lore conflicts. It's just a hint that her clans do have ninjas and samurais (swordsman to current term).

I'm sure you can see why such an original character bristles with people trying to tell stories within the lore, then. Making up classes and home towns and cultures doesn't break the lore, not exactly, but if I make a character dual-wielding machine guns who comes from Eagleland and handwave it away as "Oh, it's far, you've probably never heard of it" it's going to raise some eyebrows.

Actually, it'll lead to people just ignoring me and refusing to RP.

Considering that I honestly have not RPed with you or a lot of people that are really strict regarding what's only given in the game - I just try to limit myself to hang out with those who likes partial lore benders to encourage players who enjoy the game.

But dual-wielding machine guns would be a bit too extent for me. The only thing I did was no more than just simple regular Edo-era style that is considered fully undeveloped/modernized like Garleans and Eorzeans do.

I have no intention to make something crazy. But I do love Nobunaga's Ambition and Romance of Three Kingdoms to make the story interesting as that (Not Samurai Warriors/Dynasty Warriors style - the REAL one).

Again, I don't disagree with you. Which is why sometimes original character in a pre-made content with given lore and rules have restrictions for players. And I dont mean it as it's a bad thing.

**Unnamed Mercenary** · **10-24-2014, 10:30 AM**

(10-24-2014, 10:13 AM)Warren Castille Wrote:
(10-24-2014, 10:07 AM)Unnamed Mercenary Wrote: Lore panel at Fanfest kinda competed with that. While the GarleansÂ would off the leaders, they led us to believe that the Garleans mostly kept the culture the same, just under new leadership. Keeps the conquered people "happier". Let's not forget the Garleans would tryto sway them with words first, actions second, and violence last. The exceptions to that seem to the be a certain Legatus who liked killing people (Nael) and one that conspired with the Ascians (Gaius).

Hmm. That's interesting, and makes a degree of sense but seems almost too gentle from the baddies we've had to face. It'll be interesting to see where it develops.

Thinking about it, though, most jobs haven't really played out the way people expected them to. Barring maybe monk, black mage and arguably warrior, everything else got a new spin on lore.

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Then again, this is SE.

Let's not forget Nael van Darnus was a madman. (Especially near the end of his days). I tihnk we could totally argue that the murder-happy White Raven wasn't the norm.

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Sounsyy · **10-24-2014, 10:43 AM**

(10-24-2014, 10:30 AM)Unnamed Mercenary Wrote: Let's not forget Nael van Darnus was a madman. (Especially near the end of his days). I tihnk we could totally argue that the murder-happy White Raven wasn't the norm.

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2.0 Main Spoilers Contained. Read at one's own riskAnd let's not forget Gaius was trying the peaceful method in 1.0, so far as helping the adventurer fight Nael iirc. Also warned people of Dalamud, if the cutscenes didn't lie to me. After the Calamity, he decided if Eorzea wouldn't join nicely, he'd kill their "eikons' first. I think that was the entire point of Ultima weapon. Eat all the gods and show Garlean might. He wasn't amused when he lost control, even commending the adventurer for his defeat.

You are correct in that Nael was not the norm. Even Gaius van Baelsar thought Nael's methods were extreme. So much so that on multiple occasions in the 1.0 GC storyline he helps you in your quest to stop Nael.

Gaius wanted to rule Eorzea, not destroy it. Which is why Ala Mhigo still stands today. Gaius was the instrument to the King of Ruin's madness. He turned his own people against each other, and outlawed the god which his people had been worshiping for centuries. A king that does that is not going to be very popular. Which painted the Garleans in a good light five years later when Garlemald waltzed in and said "We'll kill that idiotic king of yours, np!" Only the Ala Mhigans who resisted were slaughtered. The rest of the city was spared.

CrookedTarot · **10-24-2014, 11:08 AM**

Character from the Far East?

Ninjas soon to become a Job?

I know witch hunts are typical in Ishgard but I think the rest of Eorzea is about to experience an Uzumaki-Uciha hunt very soon.

Aldotsk · **10-24-2014, 11:20 AM**

I wish people would stop referencing Naruto @_@ because chances are that yoshi-p will just troll everyone and say that the ninja mudras and skills were adapted from that series because it is his favorite anime.

CrookedTarot · **10-24-2014, 11:29 AM**

The problem, sadly, is that it's just how it is! XD We're bracing ourselves for Winter--er, Naruto references. It's like, if you could get DBZ styled hair in the game, guarantee we'd see tons of Gokus running around. Though, now that I think about it, Ki Beam WAS a Monk ability...

Berrod Armstrong · **10-24-2014, 11:34 AM**

Yeah, that's how it's going to be. Very few folks know the history and literature behind ninjas, or the 'fairy tales' like the Tale of the Gallant Jiraya. The only 'knowledge' a lot of people have about ninjas and elemental techniques comes from mainstream media like the Naruto series, so it's only natural that there's going to be a lot of references to it.
I've already seen Kakashi Sensei and Uchiha Itachi running about...

As long as no one screams "DATTEBAYO" and starts churning a Rasengan in the Grindstone, I think I'll just be mildly amused by the rest of them running about.

CrookedTarot · **10-24-2014, 11:43 AM**

(10-24-2014, 11:34 AM)Berrod Armstrong Wrote: As long as no one screams "DATTEBAYO" and starts churning a Rasengan in the Grindstone, I think I'll just be mildly amused by the rest of them running about.

It'll happen eventually.

BELIEVE IT!

Berrod Armstrong · **10-24-2014, 11:44 AM**

(10-24-2014, 11:43 AM)CrookedTarot Wrote:
(10-24-2014, 11:34 AM)Berrod Armstrong Wrote: As long as no one screams "DATTEBAYO" and starts churning a Rasengan in the Grindstone, I think I'll just be mildly amused by the rest of them running about.

It'll happen eventually.

BELIEVE IT!

I know I set myself up for that but I hate you anyway

CrookedTarot · **10-24-2014, 11:53 AM**

(10-24-2014, 11:44 AM)Berrod Armstrong Wrote:
(10-24-2014, 11:43 AM)CrookedTarot Wrote:
(10-24-2014, 11:34 AM)Berrod Armstrong Wrote: As long as no one screams "DATTEBAYO" and starts churning a Rasengan in the Grindstone, I think I'll just be mildly amused by the rest of them running about.

It'll happen eventually.

BELIEVE IT!
I know I set myself up for that but I hate you anyway

U Mad Bro?

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ProvaDiServo · **10-24-2014, 12:48 PM**

(10-24-2014, 11:34 AM)Berrod Armstrong Wrote: Yeah, that's how it's going to be. Very few folks know the history and literature behind ninjas, or the 'fairy tales' like the Tale of the Gallant Jiraya. The only 'knowledge' a lot of people have about ninjas and elemental techniques comes from mainstream media like the Naruto series, so it's only natural that there's going to be a lot of references to it.
I've already seen Kakashi Sensei and Uchiha Itachi running about...

As long as no one screams "DATTEBAYO" and starts churning a Rasengan in the Grindstone, I think I'll just be mildly amused by the rest of them running about.

I'll be sure to only deliver shoryukens to the masses!

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