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Kellach Woods · **01-15-2015, 07:33 PM**

(01-15-2015, 03:22 PM)Telluride Wrote: ...but imagine how Ul'dah might change in a single, sterling night if Godbert suddenly started mistaking the other Monetarists for Chimeras.

Not going to happen, it's been surmised that Godbert, even if he doesn't have a seat on the Syndicate, does not actively oppose the Syndicate or at the very least is far less "overarching good" than he appears. He's a person who uses his riches to ease the pain, and not raise others. Which makes him a bit better than your average Monetarist, but it's also likely where the conflict between him and his son occurs (His son likely wanting nothing to do with that aspect of the family tradition, instead concentrating on making the world a better place). That they get on so well is actually the only inspiring thing I can think of the city.

This is speculation, obviously.

Personally, burn the city down and we're not going to lose anything of value. I used to think "but we'd lose the Flames" but after the ABSOLUTELY IDIOTIC way they handled 2.4 I'm like... fuck that city and why couldn't Dalamud fall on it instead of Mor Dhona.

Like, legit, I can think of nothing that is remotely redeeming about it, whereas I can at least think of some redeeming values for every other city (except Ishgarde).

Melkire · **01-15-2015, 07:37 PM**

(01-15-2015, 07:33 PM)Kellach Woods Wrote: Like, legit, I can think of nothing that is remotely redeeming about it....

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Kellach Woods · **01-15-2015, 07:45 PM**

She'd be the first person I set on fire.

Telluride · **01-15-2015, 08:05 PM**

(01-15-2015, 07:45 PM)Kellach Woods Wrote: She'd be the first person I set on fire.

Nanamo does not fear you:

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Kellach Woods · **01-15-2015, 08:08 PM**

...

Welp, my opinion's changed after seeing that obviously OOC gif. Slapping a miqo will always make me change my opinion.

Seriphyn · **01-15-2015, 09:04 PM**

(01-15-2015, 07:33 PM)Kellach Woods Wrote: Personally, burn the city down and we're not going to lose anything of value. I used to think "but we'd lose the Flames" but after the ABSOLUTELY IDIOTIC way they handled 2.4 I'm like... fuck that city and why couldn't Dalamud fall on it instead of Mor Dhona.

Like, legit, I can think of nothing that is remotely redeeming about it, whereas I can at least think of some redeeming values for every other city (except Ishgarde).

What I said about people impressing their RL values on the city, mm?Â Tongue

In Gridania, there are conjurers refusing to heal a 12 year old girl because "the Elementals said so". Limsa Lominsa is a city of pirates (you know, rapists and murderers). I'm only pointing out the bad things here, for those two cities.

Aduu Avagnar · **01-15-2015, 09:15 PM**

so providing for the refugees in Little Ala Mhigo and outside of the city isn't a redeeming feature?

having the largest ground force that most likely stopped an early defeat at cartenau isn't a redeeming feature?

Kellach Woods · **01-15-2015, 09:28 PM**

(01-15-2015, 09:04 PM)Seriphyn Wrote: What I said about people impressing their RL values on the city, mm?Â

In Gridania, there are conjurers refusing to heal a 12 year old girl because "the Elementals said so". Limsa Lominsa is a city of pirates (you know, rapists and murderers). I'm only pointing out the bad things here, for those two cities.

Never said they weren't as bad.

They, however, do not get the limelight, in both this community and in the game, as Ul'dah does, and likely never will.

You'll see me raving and ranting against them once they do. (Also, I'd have mentioned the fact that Limsa is downright responsible for not just one, but TWO primals being summoned, also being the chief cause as to why Titan is even chilling - the Kobolds would not have cared had Limsa not decided to colonize Vylbrand super hard - instead. That they're pirates/rogues is kind of whatever. The split between Wildwood/Duskwight ain't that much better if you ask me so Gridania is kind of also trash. Ul'dah is slightly more merciful than Gridania because they don't have to contend with a malicious force trying to outright kill them if they don't respect their rules - I'll agree with that one. They treat the refugees in the same way - at arms' length and fuck 'em if they die.)

Eorzea still got bodied in 1.0 so everyone has to hold that, including the Flames.

Largest standing army and they're too incompetent to prevent post-Shiva 2.4 from happening. As I said, I'd have been all for the Flames since they're (were?) the only measure of non-evil competence in the city but they HAD TO TURN THEM INTO THE MOST IDIOTIC FORCE ON THE PLANET just for a few quests and make the Crystal Braves look even more heroic.

*pants as rant is over*

I hate the MSQ more than I hate Ul'dah, I should say. City's actually pretty cool, but that MSQ is just... ugh. It doesn't help that so far NO ONE in the other two cities is involved in any shenanigans. It would have been a whole lot more easier to swallow if, say, someone close to the Admiral and another Gridanian would be involved in the whole plot. Like, for real, no one wants to say fuck the padjals and fuck the elementals while they're weak? No one of the dissenting factions of Limsa want to tie themselves to Teledji and take over the city?

Or is it because SE don't care about not-Ul'dah/Ishgarde?

Sounsyy · **01-15-2015, 10:00 PM**

(01-15-2015, 09:28 PM)Kellach Woods Wrote: It would have been a whole lot more easier to swallow if, say, someone close to the Admiral and another Gridanian would be involved in the whole plot. Like, for real, no one wants to say fuck the padjals and fuck the elementals while they're weak? No one of the dissenting factions of Limsa want to tie themselves to Teledji and take over the city?

Or is it because SE don't care about not-Ul'dah/Ishgarde?

You missed out on the whole pirate kings uprising in 1.0. After the fall of Hyllfyr of the Bloody Executioners, the pirate factions had a plot to overthrow the Admiral and plunge the nation back into the days where pirates kings ruled the Five Seas. But then 2.0 happened and Merlwyb united the pirate kings under her to fight the Garleans.

Kellach Woods · **01-15-2015, 10:11 PM**

(01-15-2015, 10:00 PM)Sounsyy Wrote: You missed out on the whole pirate kings uprising in 1.0. After the fall of Hyllfyr of the Bloody Executioners, the pirate factions had a plot to overthrow the Admiral and plunge the nation back into the days where pirates kings ruled the Five Seas. But then 2.0 happened and Merlwyb united the pirate kings under her to fight the Garleans.

"hey remember all that good shit that is exactly what you want that you can't access man that was a good time haha shame you weren't around."

Sad

Verad · **01-15-2015, 10:25 PM**

Ain't their fault you were late for a plot!

Also, to contribute to the thread, if only slightly: I will happily, dare I say gleefully, impress my values, and see no problem with other characters doing so.

FreelanceWizard · **01-15-2015, 10:34 PM**

For what it's worth, the Executioners (well, a faction of them, anyway) are the main villain of the Rogue class story line. So, they're still around, making a nuisance of themselves.

V'aleera · **01-15-2015, 11:26 PM**

(01-15-2015, 09:04 PM)Seriphyn Wrote:
(01-15-2015, 07:33 PM)Kellach Woods Wrote: Personally, burn the city down and we're not going to lose anything of value. I used to think "but we'd lose the Flames" but after the ABSOLUTELY IDIOTIC way they handled 2.4 I'm like... fuck that city and why couldn't Dalamud fall on it instead of Mor Dhona.

Like, legit, I can think of nothing that is remotely redeeming about it, whereas I can at least think of some redeeming values for every other city (except Ishgarde).

What I said about people impressing their RL values on the city, mm?Â

In Gridania, there are conjurers refusing to heal a 12 year old girl because "the Elementals said so". Limsa Lominsa is a city of pirates (you know, rapists and murderers). I'm only pointing out the bad things here, for those two cities.

Limsa Lominsa is also a home to people who slit the throats of those rapists and murderers in their sleep.

Ul'dah, as far as I'm aware, does not have any similar luxury.

Aduu Avagnar · **01-15-2015, 11:45 PM**

(01-15-2015, 11:26 PM)Intaki Wrote:
(01-15-2015, 09:04 PM)Seriphyn Wrote:
(01-15-2015, 07:33 PM)Kellach Woods Wrote: Personally, burn the city down and we're not going to lose anything of value. I used to think "but we'd lose the Flames" but after the ABSOLUTELY IDIOTIC way they handled 2.4 I'm like... fuck that city and why couldn't Dalamud fall on it instead of Mor Dhona.

Like, legit, I can think of nothing that is remotely redeeming about it, whereas I can at least think of some redeeming values for every other city (except Ishgarde).

What I said about people impressing their RL values on the city, mm?Â

In Gridania, there are conjurers refusing to heal a 12 year old girl because "the Elementals said so". Limsa Lominsa is a city of pirates (you know, rapists and murderers). I'm only pointing out the bad things here, for those two cities.
Limsa Lominsa is also a home to people who slit the throats of those rapists and murderers in their sleep.

Ul'dah, as far as I'm aware, does not have any similar luxury.

only if said raping and murdering goes against the code (which it doesn't state whether it does or not either way.)

Chris Ganale · **01-15-2015, 11:51 PM**

I should like to point out that the majority of the Sultansworn are in the pockets of the Monetarists, which is in fact the driving point behind the PLD quest conflict. The Flames are, for the most part, held up as being a largely upright group because they answer to Raubahn. It's why the Monetarists hate them.

As far as the stuff at the end of 2.4, the reason why a certain individual wasn't shot on sight was because it was kept at the top level of the Flames so as not to incite a panic.

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