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ChewableMorphine · **04-15-2015, 08:18 PM**

3 with the Magitek fists.

Basement exterminator without em'.

Zyrusticae · **04-15-2015, 08:20 PM**

(04-15-2015, 08:00 PM)FreelanceWizard Wrote: It's a bit off-topic, but one's conception of power level also depends on how powerful one feels the world as a whole is. So, characters of widely different power levels could, in theory, end up at the same ranking because the danger presented by, say, a Magitek Reaper might be perceived differently by the players. Just some food for thought.

Hmmmm.

But if, for example, the baseline were that 'everything in the wild is as dangerous as a Morbol', you'd still class all the characters at a much, MUCH higher general 'power level' than RL humans simply by virtue of being able to survive in that kind of environment. Right?

Or, to put it another way... if the humans in that kind of world fought back against the monsters and actually came out on top, they would be at a much higher level than the ones who scurry around like rats trying not to get eaten.

Even given wildly differing parameters, we can still use RL as a reference and understand that 'these guys are superhuman' even when the standard is that everything is at that same level.

McBeefâ„¢ · **04-15-2015, 08:21 PM**

(04-15-2015, 08:20 PM)Zyrusticae Wrote:
(04-15-2015, 08:00 PM)FreelanceWizard Wrote: It's a bit off-topic, but one's conception of power level also depends on how powerful one feels the world as a whole is. So, characters of widely different power levels could, in theory, end up at the same ranking because the danger presented by, say, a Magitek Reaper might be perceived differently by the players. Just some food for thought.
Hmmmm.

But if, for example, the baseline were that 'everything in the wild is as dangerous as a Morbol', you'd still class all the characters at a much, MUCH higher general 'power level' than RL humans simply by virtue of being able to survive in that kind of environment. Right?

Or, to put it another way... if the humans in that kind of world fought back against the monsters and actually came out on top, they would be at a much higher level than the ones who scurry around like rats trying not to get eaten.

Even given wildly differing parameters, we can still use RL as a reference and understand that 'these guys are superhuman' even when the standard is that everything is at that same level.

omg stahp

Chris Ganale · **04-15-2015, 08:22 PM**

Why? It's valid consideration of the topic at hand.

McBeefâ„¢ · **04-15-2015, 08:25 PM**

(04-15-2015, 08:22 PM)Chris Ganale Wrote: Why? It's valid consideration of the topic at hand.

It's the same line of thought that keeps getting threads locked. Ohhh welll.

Chris Ganale · **04-15-2015, 08:30 PM**

Zy's bringing up valid points. It won't get threads locked unless people start getting persnickity about it.

Erik Mynhier · **04-15-2015, 08:32 PM**

He has been fightin in battles, covert operations, and war for almost 20 years. And against human type enemies (and some paranormal ones) he has survived despite the odds. Makes him a solid 4 I think.

Val · **04-15-2015, 08:37 PM**

(04-15-2015, 08:20 PM)Zyrusticae Wrote:
(04-15-2015, 08:00 PM)FreelanceWizard Wrote: It's a bit off-topic, but one's conception of power level also depends on how powerful one feels the world as a whole is. So, characters of widely different power levels could, in theory, end up at the same ranking because the danger presented by, say, a Magitek Reaper might be perceived differently by the players. Just some food for thought.
Hmmmm.

But if, for example, the baseline were that 'everything in the wild is as dangerous as a Morbol', you'd still class all the characters at a much, MUCH higher general 'power level' than RL humans simply by virtue of being able to survive in that kind of environment. Right?

Or, to put it another way... if the humans in that kind of world fought back against the monsters and actually came out on top, they would be at a much higher level than the ones who scurry around like rats trying not to get eaten.

Even given wildly differing parameters, we can still use RL as a reference and understand that 'these guys are superhuman' even when the standard is that everything is at that same level.

As I've said before, general rule of thumb is to keep those god tier NPCs/characters in a class of their own--a place that your character would likely never feasibly reach because they are not the main character of the story. They are of their own personal story, but what your character is doing is more or less a side quest. So think of the main characters in a FF game, and then the random characters you meet on the various side quests that ultimately can be strong, but not nearly as powerful as said main characters.

That's what we play, or at least I personallyÂ feel that's what our characters equate to. Not everyone has to follow this, and I don't expect them to, but that's just how I consider it.

Caspar · **04-15-2015, 08:49 PM**

The weaker end of 3. I haven't had many opportunities to demonstrate it with her though, as it seems Vira jobs whenever dice is involved. On paper I think she fits a lot of the qualities. Unique talent and physical capabilities. Inheritor of an extremely lethal style. Trained to kill for almost as long as she's been alive. When angry she can be even more dangerous. It's rather hard to take seriously given her race, but maybe that in itself is also an advantage of sorts, because she's a freak and exception to the rule in so many ways.

That being said, it's kind of deceptive. In terms of a straight up fight, Virara *should* beat a vast majority of people played here from what I've read of their exploits. She is a prodigy and I play her as such. However, there's a difference between being strong and talented, and strong and experienced. On paper, Virara might outclass someone soundly in terms of strength, speed, and skill, but in practice, experience counts for a lot more, which she does not have a whole lot of. I've seen a lot of characters who on this list would be a 4 or 5, but I'd bet on them were they to fight her. Not to mention, this seems to focus on combat, and mentally, she is not up to par with a lot of potential enemies. It is not that she is stupid, merely very straightforward and naive. So in that sense, she might qualify as dumb muscle.

It's just she was trained by a monster who would easily qualify on this list as an upper 2, if not stronger. Master might compare favorably to a Garlean Legate, or a MSQ NPC, and that is why I don't have a character for her, and never will. She's more like a raidboss than a player character anyway.

(04-15-2015, 06:02 PM)Zyrusticae Wrote: See, I've always thought of T'rahnu as the type of person who can, with a bit of help and the right motivation, solo an entire castrum (note: the plan involves stealing a magitek walker or three)... so I guess somewhere between #2 and 3? Now, getting her to actually attempt that is a bit of a challenge...

Her own estimation of her abilities is actually considerably below what she is fully capable of. As such, she retreats from situations where she would actually come out on top just to be safe. Even if she can do it, with lots of planning and some minor assistance, she'd just as well not try in the first place because, seriously, it sounds like suicide, and it very well could be if things don't go her way.

To answer an assertion made in the locked thread (rather rudely, but hey, I don't like leaving things hanging like that), my issue with RP-PvP with a character like this is the obvious fact that having someone at a much lower level - say, around #4 or 5 - beat her up... just doesn't make a lot of sense most of the time. It's like (Fate Stay/Night reference) a regular mage beating up a Heroic Servant. That takes extraordinary circumstances and at least some luck, as well as the element of surprise, and how often does that happen?

This isn't RL, after all, and the differences between those who have the power and those who don't are enormous, far greater than even the already-wide gulfs you see today between practitioners of martial arts and regular Joes. Even David vs Goliath doesn't accurately describe the kind of chasm we're seeing here. You can reference RL combat all you like, but no RL person can leap fifty yalms into the air, immediately change direction and rocket down into their target while simultaneously surviving the fall and taking no damage themselves. Or wield an enormous axe made entirely out of heavy metal and swing it with enough force to send a man flying 20 yalms behind them.

So, you know, don't take it personally if I'd rather not gimp my OP character to accommodate characters at a lower power level. If I can't find an out, in the form of my character simply not taking the fight seriously or having motivation to throw it entirely, I just won't participate. And that's most of the time, really. I have a specific vision in mind for my character so I'm not going to sacrifice that for the sake of others. Just not how I play.

Fortunately, 99% of RP involves no physical violence whatsoever, so it really never comes up anyways. That's a good thing, isn't it?

The F/SN comparison works poorly because most TM works focus on those exceptions, and it's perfectly reasonable to focus on those exceptions in rp as well.

OttoVann · **04-15-2015, 08:56 PM**

No magic powers, all the money, all the politics, Im not sure. Rate me a solid 11 on the 10 scale because reasons. I render no apologies.

Gegenji · **04-15-2015, 09:02 PM**

As a smith, I'd place Chachan somewhere around 3. People have joked about him being Doman Gerolt, but I'd set that more on the level of Chachan's father. Still, he's got generations of smithing in his blood and over ten years of specialized training under his father.

Combatwise? 5, slowly inching his way to 4. He's super-durable and has good stamina and strength, but his combat knowledge extends almost solely to the training done with Warren and his numerous jaunts through the Grindstone. His actual combat experience is rather limited, and his strict no-kill policy will likely get him into trouble at some point or another.

Judge? Despite his goofy antics and rule-spouting, he's actually supposed to be very, very strong. His word is law (when given the authority for it), and he can and will back it up with seemingly superhuman might when needed. I'd actually place him all the way up at a solid 2. You do not want to be on Judge's bad side.

CrazedKitsune · **04-15-2015, 09:03 PM**

I'd put Vallerin at a 3, maybe slightly closer to 2. He's got mad skill and power with his magic, but tapping his full might drains him something fierce and if pushed to that extreme he's left weakened and closer to a lower end 4.

Warren Castille · **04-15-2015, 09:06 PM**

In his armor and with a sword and shield Warren's a solid 4 on the scale unless it's something dangerous involving a loved one, at which point he rises to 3. Without those on his side, he's a 5 at best.

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Cest · **04-15-2015, 09:16 PM**

Barnabaix would be about a 4.4. The pirate has been through quite a few battles in his life, but he simply puts it towards luck, refusing to accept that he is actually a great combatant.

K'nahli · **04-15-2015, 09:33 PM**

There's too large of a jump between 4 and 5 so unfortunately mine won't be very specific, though I'll try.

K'nahli -
Approximately 4.5
~ Very respectable but limited by environment and foes faced.

Andre -
Approximately 4.2
~ Impressive abilities borne from elite training under both the Immortal Flames and Sultansworn.

Alex -
Approximately 3.7
~ Highly impressive and natural affinity for his style. Incredibly difficult opponent to face though not someone who would easily walk out of a situation with 5+ of anything because that's just silly... for a non-aether user anyways.

Lulani -
Approximately 5
~ Though not helpless, the marmot example doesn't sound far off.

K'taynu -
Approximately 4.3
~ Impressive abilities with an affinity for the lance. Limited, however, by environment and foes faced.

Au Ra -
Approximately 3.3
~ Though not untouchable and certainly not "the best there has ever been", brute strength, raw talent, experience and a fearless nature make him a highly, threatening foe. Likely makes some use of aether. Even large numbers of foes(5+) might be manageable.

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