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Valence · **04-13-2016, 09:48 AM**

Mh yes Earth my bad... Not sure what made me write fire... duh.

So we know that the 7th umbral calamity was actually Astral? Makes sense since Astral follows directly after on the calendar and elemental order, of course, but is there any mention of that somewhere? 1.0 maybe?

L'ohba Tia · **04-13-2016, 12:41 PM**

(04-13-2016, 07:36 AM)Seriphyn Wrote:
(04-12-2016, 04:40 AM)Shoshopu Wrote: Do we know if Raubahn has ever had an encounter with Ifrit?

It is said in the early 2.0 memorial speeches by Alphinaud that Ul'dah regularly assembles armies to cut down Ifrit every time he rises. Presumably this was before the Scions.

So. Maybe?

Raubahn himself is way too valuable to send against Ifrit and risk tempering, so that's very, very unlikely. The Flames did used to send groups along with Echo-users from Minfilia's Path of the Twelve to fight him.

Sounsyy · **04-13-2016, 11:03 PM**

(04-13-2016, 09:48 AM)Valence Wrote: So we know that the 7th umbral calamity was actually Astral? Makes sense since Astral follows directly after on the calendar and elemental order, of course, but is there any mention of that somewhere? 1.0 maybe?

We do not know 100% for sure, but it makes the most sense if we are going off the elements. Zodiark extinguishing the Light and returning the world to darkness sounds much more Umbral aspected than Astral, but who knows.

Also, in 1.0, it was actually believed by NPCs that the 6th Astral Era would last until the end of time. When the Archons came along quoting the 7th Verse of Mezaya Thousand Eyes' Divine Chronicles it was considered panic-inciting and some city-states attempted to arrest Urianger, and Limsa did arrest the Wandering Minstrel who was also quoting the Divine Chronicles and scaring the commonfolk. So yeah, no reference to which element the oncoming calamity would be. For all we know, it could just be unaspected. And seeing as how we're supposed to prevent said Umbral aspected calamity (#8) from happening, we'd only ever have seven, dispelling the 8 elemental theory.

In short, who knows.

Aaron · **04-13-2016, 11:16 PM**

Found this out earlier,

For those wondering why retainers bring back some pretty gnarly stuff and how they do it lol, they use larger version of those gold rush carts (Yes, like the minion).

It's explained on the little info after using the item, and funny enough also explains why said carts are never full of gold.

Looks like y'all retainer might actually be richer than you.

Valence · **04-26-2016, 05:18 AM**

What do we know about mammets? Are they magitek? Are they living creatures? A mix between both? The MSQ showing the mammet heart seems to hint at more than just machines... Or are they just like allagan nodes in a less advanced fashion?

I find the question interesting because when thinking about it it's not that easy to find the exact boundary between machines and magicks in that universe. Some ancient civilizations like Mach and Nym and Amdapor elevated magical arts to unequaled highs, while others like Allag did the same but with technology based on magicks (Magitek, etc). The only thing that never change is that everyone and everything uses Aether as a base ingredient..

Sounsyy · **04-26-2016, 10:15 AM**

(04-26-2016, 05:18 AM)Valence Wrote: What do we know about mammets? Are they magitek? Are they living creatures? A mix between both? The MSQ showing the mammet heart seems to hint at more than just machines... Or are they just like allagan nodes in a less advanced fashion?

Mammets, or as they're more commonly referred to, Automatons are simple clockwork technology developed roughly 100 years ago in Ul'dah. While most similar to early Allagan clockwork technology and for all accounts follow similar structure, it is unknown for certain if modern automatons are based off their ancient Allagan ancestors.

What we do know is that the first modern mammet was created 100 years ago and was named Mnejing. All modern mammets are based on Mnejing's design, though many have been outfitted for a variety of purposes such as security, gladiatorial combat, advertisement, banner carriers, and more. Most clockwork or automaton minions are created using mammet technology.

While automatons are little more than gears, cogs, and bolts held together by silver connector components, which allow aether to flow throughout the mammet's body and move its extremities. What creates a unique, sentient automaton is its core or heart. While the core's exact composition is unknown, a makeshift core made from electrum, pearl, and materia is used to save Mnejing in the Goldsmith storyline. As materia is made from condensing aetherial and soul energy into a solid mass, it makes sense this could be used as a replacement core.

According to the current Goldsmith guildmaster, it takes an incredible amount of skill in goldsmithing to produce a working mammet, and that they require constant maintenance of their small parts to maintain. Of note, the Sharlayans were also accomplished doll makers, but it is yet unknown if these are also similarly constructed mammet automatons or if they're inanimate objects brought to life using golem magicks.

Encyclopedia Eorzea Wrote:1466 - The Goldsmiths' Guild of Ul'dah adapts advanced clockwork mechanisms to fashion the first mammet, a living puppet. The prototype mammet is named Mnejing

Serendipity Wrote:Most mammets are rather simple, capable of no more than rudimentary speech. They can be relied upon for menial tasks, but little else.

Mammet 001 Wrote:Summons a fully operational clockwork puppet built in a joint effort by the Alchemists' and Goldsmiths' Guilds.

Mammet 001 Wrote:The standard frill-free #001 model is not only the best-selling mammet on the market, but is the blueprint on which all other clockwork servitors are based.

Serendipity Wrote:Gigi ate it! Mammets can't even taste food!

Serendipity Wrote:Anyway...silver was historically prized for its beauty. Ancient peoples even believed it to possess magical properties. Although they did not completely understand the natural processes involved, they were in fact correct. It's difficult to explain to someone without an extensive background in the relevant fields, but let's just say that silver is really, really good at channeling aether.

For this reason, silver is the material of choice for making a mammet's precision parts. Thankfully, the component responsible for Gigi's erratic behavior is within my ability to craft. But gods forbid that his core should ever be damaged. ...Oh, the core? It's like, well...it's everything that makes Gigi himself. His memories, his personalityâ”€his soul, really.

Serendipity Wrote:I...I think his core might be irreparably damaged. It was made over a hundred years ago with techniques that have long since been forgotten. If it has failed, then he is forever lost to us...

Mammet Heart Wrote:The clockwork soul of a mammet.

Serendipity Wrote:You see, he's by far the oldest mammet we have here, having been constructed by one of our former guildmasters over a century ago. In fact, I'm the nineteenth guildmaster he has assisted, according to records. But what our records didn't contain was his original name, which was so faintly inscribed upon his core that it went unnoticed until now. Gigi is Mnejing, â”€the first mammet ever built, and the mammet whose design on which all others are based!

Ovjang Wrote:Ovjang. A mammet of some antiquity, last in possession of a wealthy collector who suffered from a particularly virulent case of buyer's remorse. He ordered the mammet disassembled and sold off for parts. However, once under the chisel, the mammet came to and attacked the smith, wounding her badly before making its escape.

Hope this helps! ^^

Valence · **04-26-2016, 03:30 PM**

Ah interesting...!Â

I wonder though, as it was a tad hidden behind my question I guess, if it enters the category of Magitek stuff? Or what are the boundaries of what constitutes Magitek as a definition? I tend to see it as every piece of technology that specifically make use and channels aether, but I'm not totally sure of myself here, since it would also include staffs and canes and bows and crude stuff like that...

Sounsyy · **04-26-2016, 03:58 PM**

(04-26-2016, 03:30 PM)Valence Wrote: I wonder though, as it was a tad hidden behind my question I guess, if it enters the category of Magitek stuff? Or what are the boundaries of what constitutes Magitek as a definition? I tend to see it as every piece of technology that specifically make use and channels aether, but I'm not totally sure of myself here, since it would also include staffs and canes and bows and crude stuff like that...

They are considered separate and differing technologies. Magitek, like a brand name, is Garlean mechina specifically. It was created roughly 50 years ago by reverse engineering Allagan technology and war machines. Where as Clockwork, while similar to a technology used by the ancient Allagans, was developed independently 100 years ago in Eorzea.

When you see magitek in Eorzea, it is because of the Garlond Ironworks, a group of Garlean engineers who defected from the empire 15 years ago after the Bozja Citadel massacre. These engineers brought with them Garlean technology so that they could help balance the war between Eorzea and Garlemald. Later, under the Galadion Accord, Limsa Lominsan privateers were paid to loot Garlean vessels and salvage whatever components and tech they can find to turn in to the Ironwork's workshops to reverse engineer.

More detailed lore on the Garlond Ironworks and Magitek can be found in the spoiler below:

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Magitek Lore & The Garlond Ironworks
Magitek is a form of reverse engineered Allagan technology created/discovered by Garlemald's engineers roughly 50 years ago. Created and perfected by Midas nan Garlond, Cid's father, and popularized in warfare with its neighboring nations by House Darnus and House Galvus, Garlemald saw a flourishing technological age of prosperity that galvanized its continent and later multi-continent empire that we know today.

After the fall of Ala Mhigo some 20 years ago, Garlemald found evidence of Allagan technology in the Gyr Abanian region that led to the discovery that the lesser moon Dalamud could be controlled by Allagan technologies. In their initial attempts at communicating with these ancient devices, a terrible accident occurred which wiped out a city known as the Bozja Citadel. Afterwards, Cid and a majority of his Garlean engineers defected to fled to Eorzea, bringing magitek to Eorzea. There Cid and his engineers formed the Garlond Ironworks to aide the Eorzeans in their fight against the Empire and help steal and re-manufacture Garlean machina for the Alliance. Their motto being "freedom through technology" as they do not study and manufacture any thing that can be used for tyranny's gain.

Encyclopedia Eorzea - Garlond Ironworks Wrote:Under the banner "Freedom through Technology," this gathering of talented engineers labors to advance the realm by providing technical counsel to the Eorzean city-states. To offset the monetary strain put on the organization by such selfless acts, the Ironworks also creates masterpieces of magitek technology for sale to those with the proper wherewithal.

Cid Garlond established the Ironworks in 1562, so that magitek technology might spread throughout Eorzea, lessening the Garlean Empire's dangerous monopoly on the science. With a combination of both Garlean defectors and young Eorzean engineers in its employ, the manufacturers create everything from airships to ceruleum-driven trains. There are even
scaled models for the younglings of well-to-do houses. The company is second to none when it comes to airships, and it was but a twelvemoon after Cid's defection from the Empire that he designed a civilian model completely craftable with Eorzean resources. Since forging their partnership with Highwind Skyways, the Ironworks has produced countless airships, and is largely responsible for the current era's convenience in sky travel.

While Cid remains the president of the company in name, during his five-year absence following the Calamity, it was a woman named Jessie who saw to the everyday management of the Ironworks. It is said that she remains at the company's helm even now, as Cid's duties often lead him far afield. Jessie works mightily to support the Ironworks through her particular specialty-equipment created with the aid of magitek, and sold through an exclusive contract with Rowena's House of Splendors.

Zanthael Wrote:After his safe arrival in the city, the engineer you rescued could not stop raving about your â€œselfless act of bravery in the face of extreme peril.â€ He has since been reunited with the remainder of the Garlond Ironworks delegation which arrived yesterday via a different route. What is the Garlond Ironworks, you ask? I am surprised you have yet to hear of them. The Garlond Ironworks comprises one of the largest collectives of scholars and engineers in the whole realm. It is they who work to uncover the secrets of the Empire's machina, and it is their findings that will help us to destroy them.

Flame Lieutenant Aubrey Wrote:Surely you have heard by now of the Garlond Ironworks. It is a collective formed of the realm's most talented engineers and smiths, overseen by the incomparable Cid Garlondâ”€a man of rare talent. Such devices as the airships are just the beginning of the wonders born of their forges and workshops. We have them to thank for the vast majority of the magitek at our disposal. They spearhead the technological progress of the realm, and for that, we owe their genius a great debt. But like all genius, theirs is not without a crippling flawâ”€they have no mind for business. The fools will not pledge themselves to a single nation, but share their knowledge and secrets freely with all. They refuse every offer we make, always citing some thrice-damned philosophy. Bloody idealists!

E'bolaff Wrote:A contract with the Flames? Exchanging information for gil? Such treachery breaks nearly every vow we speak when we join the Ironworks.

Model Magitek Bit Wrote:This miracle of modern mechanics is actually a miracle of ancient Allagan mechanics reverse-engineered and then modified with advanced Garlean magitek technology.

Ebrelnaux Wrote:The Allagans were remarkably skilled in the manufacture and manipulation of complex machina similar to what is seen in Garlemald today, though it is believed that their knowledge was at a level far in advance of the Garleans.

Jijina Wrote:We call them tomestones - relics from the Third Astral Era. It is believed they were once used to store the knowledge of the empire that ruled during that age, but time has rendered them useless - no more than novelties to collectors. You may be interested to hear that Nael van Darnus, Legatus of the VIIth Legion, hails from a family of just such antiquarians... Moreover, van Darnus's father - a decorated hero of the Empire - famously used Allagan technology to give Garlemald the upper hand in the war which ultimately earned the Empire its independence.

Merewina Wrote:The Garleans are an enigmatic race of people from a massive empire situated to the north and east of Eorzea, and despite coming from a realm so large, remarkably little is known about them. As few have ever seen them without their armor, rumors about their physical makeup are many, some of the more "coloful" claims being that they implant machina in their bodies to improve agility and strength, and that they possess a third eye allowing them to see in all directions at once. Though, I would assume there is little truth to these sailor's tales.

Valence · **04-27-2016, 04:06 AM**

Mh ok, so Magitek is more of a vernacular garlean word for their own specific brand of tech rather than a true universal term for everything. Gotcha. Makes sense.

Valence · **04-27-2016, 03:29 PM**

Hey now i'm confused. One of the citations above (Jijina, whoever that is) says that tomestones have become useless due to their age and are only collector items now.

Why is that in the 3.0 SMN quests Y'Mithra clearly says "I shall consult my tomestones" countless times?

Sounsyy · **04-27-2016, 04:10 PM**

(04-27-2016, 03:29 PM)Valence Wrote: Hey now i'm confused. One of the citations above (Jijina, whoever that is) says that tomestones have become useless due to their age and are only collector items now.

Why is that in the 3.0 SMN quests Y'Mithra clearly says "I shall consult my tomestones" countless times?

Jijina is one of Cid's Garlond Ironworks engineers. But the discrepancy goes back to deliberate misinformation from unreliable narrators. At the time, the Garlond Ironworks didn't know how to get the tomestones to work. And many of them didn't work. It's essentially like having a USB drive with no computer to plug it into.

Nael van Darnus knew how to read and use the tomestones. Y'mhitra and the Sons of Saint Coinach know how to read them now. Even the Grand Companies have data mammets used to extract data from the Allagan tomestones and monoliths on Seal Rock. But still, some tomestones are broken and are really nothing better than collectors items... or currency as far as a dealer in antiquities like Rowena are concerned.

Valence · **04-28-2016, 03:23 AM**

After a bit of thougth that's also the logical conclusion I came to..

Charity322 · **05-01-2016, 01:13 AM**

I was wondering something about the Battle of Carteneau. IC my Ishgardian char didn't participate, but I was wondering if Ishgard sent soldiers at all or were they too busy fighting the Dravanians?

Just wondered if anyone in her family was likely to have fought or not.

Valence · **05-01-2016, 04:13 AM**

There was only the three core city states as far as I recall: Ul'dah, Limsa and Gridania, leaded by their respective military leaders (Raubahn, Merlwyb and Kan-E Sena).Â

The Holy See of Ishgard declined officially to join in the war against Nael Van Darnus and his meteor project 5 years ago, and so were absent from Carteneau. It was an unfortunate surprise for the rest of the Eorzean alliance since they were allied and intervened in the Autumn War before, where Ala-Migho tried to invade Gridania.

Charity322 · **05-02-2016, 03:26 AM**

Thanks!

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