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Moonlit · **10-13-2016, 02:26 AM**

I will say that I do see Nunh RPers get consistent RP, and I have seen Nunh, "Done well." I will also say that, "Done well," is completely a matter of opinion, perspective, and what you expect to get out of your RP. Will being a Nunh make you never get RP ever? Nah. Could it attract RP you may or may not want? Sure. Ultimately, if you do your research, and put thought into your character you're going to find a group of people that want to associate with you. â™¥

Valence · **10-13-2016, 06:24 AM**

Honestly, I could expect logically to see one of the possible reasonable portrayals of a Nunh to be an arrogant sexualized male with a harem behind him... Yeah, I'm not kidding. That's a possibility. I would expect some Nunh to act like that, like you would see many people IRL acting like that if they were afforded the occasion. You have many assholes in positions of power and sometimes they deserve them due to their skills. Which doesn't mean they can't be assholes.

As long as they fulfill their obligations and duties to their tribe, and that's where you pull it right or wrong.Â

It always boils down into a good fleshing out of the character and a 3 dimensional portrayal where you actually show that your character isn't a sexual power fantasy.

Also, on the males raising Seeker children, I would have to find confirmation but out of my memory, no, females raise their children before anything else. Especially when the nunh probably have dozens and dozen of them. Not saying that the Nunh will not teach them stuff, hunting lessons, etc, but I don't see him doing that more than anyone else (esp considering the sheer number of children), but women seemed to educate the children in their everyday life. Especially since female Seekers seem also to be as capable as hunting and doing 'male' stuff than their male counterparts.

Maybe I don't remember correctly though.

(10-12-2016, 09:41 PM)Chompie Wrote: We need to work together to change that reputation. When people see the word "Nunh" I want their brains to automatically replace it with "A Dad"

Yeah well, maybe that's just me, but I really, really can't see a breeding Nunh as a dad...

Would love to see the reputation of the title improve though, but that would need more players pulling it right, like any position of power really.

Y'amra · **10-13-2016, 08:04 AM**

As someone who plays a lot of Miqo'te characters strict to lore, I think you'll be perfectly fine playing a Nunh. There's a lot of unfounded bias towards the Nunh of a tribe because there are a lot of RPers out there who play displaced Seekers, and usually a lot of the blame is assigned to an abusive Nunh. I hate this stereotype. While my Miqo'te is a Tia, I did a lot of fleshing out for the history and current state of his tribe. Playing a Nunh doesn't lock you out of any RP and definitely shouldn't stop you from finding any either
Hells, I'd love to introduce Amra to some Seeker Nuhns.
If you find yourself being accused of playing a Nunh character wrong, I'd just point the accuser to SE's lore page. The number one concern I can imagine you might get is the fact that your character is away from his tribe, but most Nunh's don't become tribal chiefs or leaders. Personality, well, that's entirely up to you as a Roleplayer. If you do end up creating a Nunh, feel free to poke me sometime for RP. ^^ And good luck!

Y'amra · **10-13-2016, 08:07 AM**

(10-13-2016, 06:24 AM)Valence Wrote: Honestly, I could expect logically to see one of the possible reasonable portrayals of a Nunh to be an arrogant sexualized male with a harem behind him... Yeah, I'm not kidding. That's a possibility. I would expect some Nunh to act like that, like you would see many people IRL acting like that if they were afforded the occasion. You have many assholes in positions of power and sometimes they deserve them due to their skills. Which doesn't mean they can't be assholes.

As long as they fulfill their obligations and duties to their tribe, and that's where you pull it right or wrong.Â

It always boils down into a good fleshing out of the character and a 3 dimensional portrayal where you actually show that your character isn't a sexual power fantasy.

Also, on the males raising Seeker children, I would have to find confirmation but out of my memory, no, females raise their children before anything else. Especially when the nunh probably have dozens and dozen of them. Not saying that the Nunh will not teach them stuff, hunting lessons, etc, but I don't see him doing that more than anyone else (esp considering the sheer number of children), but women seemed to educate the children in their everyday life. Especially since female Seekers seem also to be as capable as hunting and doing 'male' stuff than their male counterparts.

Maybe I don't remember correctly though.

(10-12-2016, 09:41 PM)Chompie Wrote: We need to work together to change that reputation. When people see the word "Nunh" I want their brains to automatically replace it with "A Dad"

Yeah well, maybe that's just me, but I really, really can't see a breeding Nunh as a dad...

Would love to see the reputation of the title improve though, but that would need more players pulling it right, like any position of power really.

I disagree with this one, Valence ^^ They're just a dad of many! And even then, it might not be all that many depending on how long said Nunh remained the Nunh. As for males raising Seeker children, well, I agree with what you say there. ^^ Though I'd also point out that the ratio of Seeker birth is 10:1 female to male. So it's be pretty unlikely for a male to be the primary raiser of Miqo'te kids.

Kilieit · **10-13-2016, 08:43 AM**

(10-12-2016, 10:51 PM)Charity322 Wrote: I don't know. Do Nunhs ever do dad stuff or is raising the kids entirely left to the females? I didn't get the impression that either Seeker or Keeper males were really involved in childrearing, just genetic donation lol.

Where does it say that very few Nunhs become leaders? I know it says it on the wiki, but where are they getting it from? Because someone didn't give U'odh Nunh the message.

It says it right here, in the very same instance where the developers tell us what Nunh means in the first place:

Official Race Naming Conventions Wrote:Nunh status does not equate to leadership within a tribe, and in fact, very few nunh ever become leaders.

U'odh is telling you that's the way the U tribe works, not the way that Seeker tribes in general work.

FreelanceWizard · **10-13-2016, 09:11 AM**

(10-13-2016, 08:43 AM)Kilieit Wrote: U'odh is telling you that's the way the U tribe works, not the way that Seeker tribes in general work.

I'm going to make the possibly provocative claim that the U tribe is, indeed, representative of Seeker tribes. If you do the side quest lines out there, you find that the tia basically run the tribe. The FATEs suggest that some of the women have combat or spiritual leadership positions, but it's the tia who give the orders and handle the day to day leadership. U'odh can make pronouncements as he wishes, but ultimately, the true power lies with the tia who actually manage the tribe. While nunh clearly have a fair bit of soft power, and some (like U'odh) probably have a lot of it due to their history, they're so occupied with their, uh, "life of leisure" that the tia hold formal positions of leadership.

Now, sure, if U'odh really wanted to get his way, he could certainly go beat up those who oppose him (thus the quote in the screenshot). After all, one gets to be nunh by defeating the current one and surviving challenges from other tia. Other concepts of "challenge" aside, in Eorzea, that's bound to mean combat. However, being able to clobber people into agreeing with you is not holding a position of leadership or, really, being a leader. Nominally speaking, U'odh is about as in charge as a head of state -- which is to say, not that much at all.

Kilieit · **10-13-2016, 09:19 AM**

That's at odds with the statement,

"very few nunh ever become leaders",

which... like... that's a pretty clear statement, haha. I stand strongly by the belief that U'odh is an exception, not the rule, because that's exactly what the lore text is - at this moment in time - telling us.

If the lore book comes out and says otherwise, I'll change my stance, but for now I'm staying by what makes sense with the lore we already have: which is a sample size of 1 tribe, and a Word-of-God statement which says they don't fit the norm.

Charity322 · **10-13-2016, 09:55 AM**

(10-13-2016, 09:11 AM)FreelanceWizard Wrote:
(10-13-2016, 08:43 AM)Kilieit Wrote: U'odh is telling you that's the way the U tribe works, not the way that Seeker tribes in general work.

I'm going to make the possibly provocative claim that the U tribe is, indeed, representative of Seeker tribes. If you do the side quest lines out there, you find that the tia basically run the tribe. The FATEs suggest that some of the women have combat or spiritual leadership positions, but it's the tia who give the orders and handle the day to day leadership. U'odh can make pronouncements as he wishes, but ultimately, the true power lies with the tia who actually manage the tribe. While nunh clearly have a fair bit of soft power, and some (like U'odh) probably have a lot of it due to their history, they're so occupied with their, uh, "life of leisure" that the tia hold formal positions of leadership.

Now, sure, if U'odh really wanted to get his way, he could certainly go beat up those who oppose him (thus the quote in the screenshot). After all, one gets to be nunh by defeating the current one and surviving challenges from other tia. Other concepts of "challenge" aside, in Eorzea, that's bound to mean combat. However, being able to clobber people into agreeing with you is not holding a position of leadership or, really, being a leader. Nominally speaking, U'odh is about as in charge as a head of state -- which is to say, not that much at all.

A lot of the quests you do for the Tia in Forgotten Springs show that it is U'odh Nunh who makes the decisions. Like the one where you have to canvas foreigners and a lot complain about the Nunh's decision to not allow this or that and the Tia say that they would run it differently if they were Nunh, implying that they do not have the power to do that now. They seem to just have general housekeeping duties. U'odh Nunh is the one running the show.

Valence · **10-13-2016, 10:10 AM**

Remember also that what we are shown by NPCs ingame has always been qualified by SE as "probably biased in some way or another, depending on character's beliefs and particular inclinations, as well as the context, since nobody is a well omniscient knowledge".

(10-13-2016, 08:07 AM)Y Wrote: I disagree with this one, Valence ^^ They're just a dad of many! And even then, it might not be all that many depending on how long said Nunh remained the Nunh. As for males raising Seeker children, well, I agree with what you say there. ^^ Though I'd also point out that the ratio of Seeker birth is 10:1 female to male. So it's be pretty unlikely for a male to be the primary raiser of Miqo'te kids.

Uh, yeah well... There is always wiggle room for pretty much everything here. I'm pretty sure a young Nunh being the father of a few at first might be willing genuinely to act as a real dad or something, why not. It can make sense. I just doubt that after many years of service if it's the case, with so many offspring, he still have just the human means to do so. Tongue

All in all I tend to speak mostly in terms of mainstream lore. What people could call lore bending (like here), is in my opinion certainly not that, but going into... specifities, oddities, and the likes.

K'nahli · **10-13-2016, 10:47 AM**

You see, the thing is that they culturally involve themselves with selective breeding all for the purpose of producing strong offspring. To me, that tells me that they are a society that highly values strength and prowess. Regardless of how strong a Nunh(a.k.a the strongest male) is next to the best huntress in the tribe, he is still a highly valuable asset to them. This, to me, would tell me that they would offer respect to his position and expect him to take his role seriously. I can't relate to the idea of supposing that any tribe would be content with some person having the audacity to not bother affiliating with them for the most part and only returning when he feels like it when he not only has a duty, but extreme worth to the tribe at home. And while I think that it's not like breeding is something that needs to happen regularly; post-Calamity, it might even be the opposite for many, but that doesn't erase the importance of his presence, and the simple rarity of males in general can potentially give him a far greater sense of worth than even an equally capable huntress or better.

Wandering off from your tribe in general would likely not be seen as a very faithful thing to be doing to your family, let alone when it comes to someone of such extreme importance. Most tribes probably aren't THAT large. So if you have a total number of say 50 people, then you're looking at about 5 males in your tribe at best... and that's not including age, disfigurement or anything else that might disqualify one from the eligibility for the role. Unless you're in a massive, massive tribe then having a male of all people wandering off should be a rather serious issue, let alone an actual Nunh.

N'khai · **10-13-2016, 12:10 PM**

(10-13-2016, 08:04 AM)Y Wrote: "...There's a lot of unfounded bias towards the Nunh of a tribe because there are a lot of RPers out there who play displaced Seekers, and usually a lot of the blame is assigned to an abusive Nunh. I hate this stereotype..."

That's a trope I've grown pretty tired of seeing as well. Not every tribe is going to be a happy-go-lucky fun farm but from the number of bitter Seekers out in the world you'd assume most tribes were just fronts for Garlean work camps.

Ritsu · **10-13-2016, 05:59 PM**

I never like to say that I /won't/ RP with someone and I may lack some RP etiquette still as I am very used to RP'ing with people that know me fairly well. Only think I try to avoid is Void themes on Ritsu as she has some rather strong feelings on that. Nunhs would still make me leery tho, as folks have said - quite a few folks out there use it for fetish reasons. I try to give the benefit of the doubt til things get eehhh and I nopes the heck out of there!

K'nahli · **10-15-2016, 06:06 PM**

Lore Book Extract:

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Melkire · **10-15-2016, 07:42 PM**

Welp. Lore book overrules naming convention assertions.

Kilieit · **10-15-2016, 08:39 PM**

Is it just me who can't see most of the relevant paragraph? It's cropped off the bottom. x_x

And also, I'd dispute that a piece of lore that's only available, at present, to a tiny proportion of the fanbase should trump that which someone will find when Googling the question. Seems... off.

Maybe once the lore book has been out for longer, we can start making assertions like that, but for now I think it's safest to assume that ~the true lore~ is somewhere in the middle and conduct ourselves in such a manner that will be welcoming of people roleplaying with either set of information.

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