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Sounsyy · **01-14-2017, 05:21 PM**

(01-14-2017, 03:06 PM)Kage Wrote:
Quote:Having consumed dragon blood imbued with the powerful magicks of a Celestial Wyrm, an Ishgardian harboring the essence of Ratatoskr permanently becomes a dragon - be it aevis or syricta.
Is this explicitly stated somewhere or is it implied? Because I have been under the implication that it is true but is it explicitly stated somewhere?

Upon closer examination it appears to either depend on the quality/quantity of Dragon Blood you consume or the "concentration of Ratatoskr's essence" present in your blood. In the Dragoon quest Sanguine Dragoon, there's a group of heretics called the Bloodbearers who have the ability to transform or not transform into Dravanians after consuming the blood of Graoully, but eventually regress back into men after a period of time.

Alberic Wrote:They call themselves the Bloodbearers, and their leader is a man named Matheonien. He and his minions are all capable of assuming the form of dragons. Such a transformation is possible by partaking of dragon bloodâ”€I daresay you have borne witness to itâ”€and it grants the individual unholy strength. Though the sanguine substance is precious, the Bloodbearers have access to an abundant supply owing to their pact with Graoully. That is why they have been able to offer our forces such fierce resistance.

They say that strange merchants have been acquiring goods in prodigious quantities. It seems to me the Bloodbearers are replenishing their stores. Let us split up and scour the area for these so-called merchants. Should someone strike you as suspicious, confront him and gauge his reaction.

The Mourning After Wrote:The half-man, half-dragon abomination Bloodbearer Robairlain has laid claim to the sacred cavern known as Mourn, slaying several of its peaceful guardians in the process.

In that same questline, it suggests that upon supping the blood of a dragon, the mind steadily deteriorates into addiction - Heustienne begins craving it.

Alberic Wrote:As you yourself have witnessed, dragon blood alters the flesh. And once the flesh is altered, the mind must soon follow.

Other accounts suggest that upon drinking the blood and making their transformation into an Aevis, Syricta, or Diresaur, the change is permanent. However, this could just mean these people repeatedly drank the blood until the transformation was permanent or possessed an essence of Ratatoskr undiluted enough to instantly achieve permanent transformation, whereas heretics in more recent years and more diluted essence such as the Bloodbearers may not possess enough essence in their blood to immediately make the change permanent. In either case, the lore is clear that at some point the change becomes permanent.

Maenne Wrote:You pulled this from the beast's corpse? Hmmm...this armor dates back to before any of us were born, but there can be no mistakeâ”€it was forged in Ishgard! This must mean that dragon was once a heretic, and drank of the dragon blood until he... The gilding on the armor indicates it's hundreds of years old... What would drive a man to choose to become...that? To a heretic, does such a transformation indicate transcendence?

Gandarewa Wrote:Its leader, a peasant who styled himself the great guru Gandarewa, fled to the next holiest place he knewâ”€the sacred mountain of Dravania. There he supped on the blood of a dragon, and was forever changed...

E-Sumi-Yan Wrote:The archbishop declared it a heretic's tale, and with good cause. It is a corruption of an older legend in which a man partakes of dragon blood and, in so doing, becomes one himself.

Saintrelmaux Wrote:They say that aevis are what become of menâ”€heretics who drink dragon blood. But, what could make a man...

Encyclopedia Eorzea Wrote:During their thousand-year war with the dragons, Ishgardians stumbled upon a dark secret - it seemed that some men, upon partaking in a dragon's blood, would be granted the ability to transform into a hideous chimerical hybrid. In time, these aberrations would come to be called aevises, a word taken from the Enchiridion meaning "devil who flies." Recent revelations have shown that this transformation is not a matter of chance, but is most likely to occur in those who claim lineage with those great Ishgardian heroes who consumed the eye of Ratatoskr, ever tainting their bloodline.

Ware the Maiden Fair Wrote:Once a beautiful young Elezen with skin like snow and hair like an autumn sun, the dragon maiden was driven to sip the blood of the Horde after being set upon by a pair of highborn knights (who were subsequently tried and hung for their crimes). Since then, she has grown into one of the most ruthless of all wyrm-blooded heretics, attacking even innocent children. Deliver the maiden from this world and give her soul peace once again.

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(01-14-2017, 12:22 PM)Jana Wrote: I think the shapeshifting abilities of Imps and Sylphs are more along the lines of illusion/glamour magic rather than a real transformation, since they're usually dispelled by magic before entering combat in leves and quests.

This actually got me to thinking about how Imps are almost exclusively referred to as "shape-shifting" or "shape-shifters" with close to twenty separate references using some variation of that phrase, but I could only find two to three instances where their shape-shifting magic was referred to as "glamour."

By comparison, when Sylphs alter their appearance it is almost exclusively referred to as "glamour magicks," "sylvan glamours," or "illusions." I only found a couple instances where the Sylph's glamour magicks were referred to as "skin-changing" from the Scions and the Sylphs.

Though the two magicks are obviously quite similar, I wonder if there is actually some notable distinction between the two? (Other than the obvious void origin.) Hrmmm...

EDIT: In any case (totally got sidetracked), if we take all examples of shape-shifting in the lore as nothing more than glamour magicks, even Parazuzu and Xha Viqqoh assuming they can in actuality shape-shift, any canon form of shape-shifting in the setting could be dispelled just as easily with a touch or disruptive sundry items. So would the OP's tiger shape-shift be affected similarly? Likely not as it empowers him more akin to dravanian transformation.

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(01-14-2017, 03:22 PM)Jana Wrote: We should also probably take into consideration what the tiger actually is in Eorzea. According to the description of the Tiger's Eye gemstone, tigers are a legend that might be an ancestor of the coerul. If you stick to the transforming thing, chances are no one will recognize the tiger as anything but another beast.

Tiger's Eye Wrote:A golden-brown jewel consisting of many colored layers. When polished, it resembles the eye of a tigerâ”€a legendary beast believed to be the ancestor of the coeurl.

Tiger Cod Wrote:A striped saltwater fish indigenous to the cold northern waters of the Bloodbrine Sea. The name â€œtigerâ€ is said to have been taken from a similarly striped beast native to the faraway jungles of Othard.

Tigerfish Wrote:This violent freshwater fish was dubbed the tigerfish by a group of Auri travelers who claim the striped pattern on the wavekin's back resembles that of a Far Eastern beast known as a tiger.

Encyclopedia Eorzea Wrote:Native to southern Ilsabard and inner Othard, there was a time when, for the people of Eorzea, tigers were little more than the stuff of legends - fantastical creatures to grace a sotted sailor's tale of high adventure in lands transmarine. Recently, however, organizations such as the Coliseum in Ul'dah and Limsa Lominsa's Maelstrom have paid trappers exorbitant sums of gil to have the exotic beasts ferried to Eorzea that they may be called upon to test the mettle of their men.

Mae · **01-14-2017, 05:55 PM**

(01-14-2017, 03:22 PM)Jana Wrote: We should also probably take into consideration what the tiger actually is in Eorzea. According to the description of the Tiger's Eye gemstone, tigers are a legend that might be an ancestor of the coerul. If you stick to the transforming thing, chances are no one will recognize the tiger as anything but another beast.

There's tigers.Â I'm also 90% positive I've spawned a "Territorial Tiger" recently from doing treasure maps in HW areas that was a similar model.

Jana · **01-14-2017, 09:04 PM**

Oh cool, there are tigers that aren't just renames of the coerul model then. :v

Charity322 · **01-14-2017, 10:32 PM**

I remember a levequest where we had to hunt Big Claws glamoured to look like ordinary Megalocrabs. So it isn't just sylphs and imps that can glamour their appearance. Big Claws aren't even that intelligent are they? So glamour must be a natural ability rather than something they created.

Kilieit · **01-14-2017, 11:47 PM**

That wasn't a glamour, though, was it? As I recall, in that levequest, the cores weren't a glamour dispeller - they just happened to only have the effect of turning the crab a different colour when it was a Big Claw. Like litmus paper.

Sounsyy · **01-15-2017, 12:15 AM**

Claw-struck Wrote:Now that spawning season has come to a close, a whole new generation of big claws is ready to step form the sea and wreak havoc on the coastline. The aid of adventurers is required to see that the local fishers and farmers remain free from the crabs' deadly grasp. Remember, the only method of distinguishing a big claw from a megalocrab is by using the core of a lightning sprite. If, when shocked, the crab's shell turns red, the beast must be slain.

Charity322 · **01-15-2017, 04:36 AM**

When you do the levequest it says glamour.

Sounsyy · **01-15-2017, 09:38 AM**

(01-15-2017, 04:36 AM)Charity322 Wrote: When you do the levequest it says glamour.

...huh. Well that's interesting. Though I guess that makes sense that there are monsters whose aether allows them to breathe fire, others have glamour-camouflage. Now I need to see how often that sort of thing shows up in non-sentient creatures. Good find Charity!

Warren Castille · **01-15-2017, 12:57 PM**

It's worth considering that battlecraft leves are basically a fill-in-the-template sort of design, though: The objectives don't change much from zone to zone, they just change the names of the things you're doing. It's a slippery slope to say "disregard system messages as a source of lore" but this is one where I'm more willing to listen to the quest dialogue and written fluff instead of the ad libs template for battle design.

Charity322 · **01-15-2017, 10:44 PM**

Maybe Big Claws have a less sophisticated type of natural glamour. They can't look like a different shaped creature, like imps, but they can glamour themselves to a different colour so they can hide amongst the ordinary megalocrabs. Some sort of special light, from sprites or fireflies, seems to be the go to glamour dispeller that lets you see the true appearance. Maybe Big Claws are sort of like a chameleon and the sprite cores dispel the colour glamour.

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