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allgivenover · **07-01-2013, 10:50 AM**

I'd be very, very surprised if they actually designated an official RP server, the whole RP server thing is an entirely western idea when it comes to MMOs, and honestly I'll be happier if they don't. I've played games with designated RP servers, and games without designated servers, having or not having them didn't effect the amount of RP I managed to find at all, as decent roleplayers tend to go out of the way to find each other regardless.

What I did notice is that having an official RP designated server, at least in my experience, draws people specifically looking to grief RPers.

EDIT: Nevermind, just saw that mod post where YoshiP stated that he likes RP and wants to set up an RP server for 2.0 launch. I almost can't believe he so casually stated that. lol

Sterne · **07-01-2013, 10:53 AM**

(07-01-2013, 10:50 AM)allgivenover Wrote: I'd be very, very surprised if they actually designated an official RP server, the whole RP server thing is an entirely western idea when it comes to MMOs, and honestly I'll be happier if they don't. I've played games with designated RP servers, and games without designated servers, having or not having them didn't effect the amount of RP I managed to find at all, as decent roleplayers tend to go out of the way to find each other regardless.

What I did notice is that having an official RP designated server, at least in my experience, draws people specifically looking to grief RPers.

Valid point. But I personally would rather focus on the benefit of unifying the RP community than the negative of the few who like to grief (I mean always have /blacklist lol).

Yoshi-P loves to RP - according to a dev who quoted him. Hopefully he just hasn't forgotten about the promise he made lol.

ArmachiA · **07-01-2013, 10:55 AM**

It's true. Trolling through the Japanese forums, there are no Roleplay related posts there. I think when Yoshi talks about RP, he might mean something different than we mean XD

Sterne · **07-01-2013, 10:56 AM**

(07-01-2013, 10:55 AM)ArmachiA Wrote: It's true. Trolling through the Japanese forums, there are no Roleplay related posts there. I think when Yoshi talks about RP, he might mean something different than we mean XD

Wouldn't that be some shit LOL

Asyria · **07-01-2013, 11:02 AM**

I've seen people who seriously believed RP meant Raid Progression...Â but I'm pretty sure YoshiP knows what RolePlaying is. Japan is not -that- different from America or Europe, after all.

ArmachiA · **07-01-2013, 11:13 AM**

Well I don't mean the initials RP, but it might mean something different to him. I saw an interview with one of the members of Paragon (A HUGE endgame guild in WoW, like the number one guild) and he said he "Roleplays as <his character name here>" He was Finnish and Roleplaying meant something completely different to him.

The concept of Roleplaying is very very niche. I'm just unsure how popular the act of RPing is in Japan. Especially in an MMO.

Asyria · **07-01-2013, 11:21 AM**

Well they've known what Dungeons and Dragons (lol I typoed Dragnos Tongue

) is for a long time, at any rate.. Lodoss War was based on it. And .hack is all about RPing in a mmo, in a way. Tongue

Sterne · **07-01-2013, 11:23 AM**

(07-01-2013, 11:21 AM)Asyria Wrote: Well they've known what Dungeons and Dragnos is for a long time, at any rate.. Lodoss War was based on it. And .hack is all about RPing in a mmo, in a way.

Yea I think RP is pretty big in Japan. It may go by a different name, but it's in their games, their anime, their pop-star obsessions (i.e. Perfect Blue) ((just kidding)).

ArmachiA · **07-01-2013, 11:37 AM**

In Japan they're called Table Talk RPG. I know Sword World is really popular there (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sword_World_RPG) but I wouldn't say RP is big there.

Averis · **07-01-2013, 02:53 PM**

(07-01-2013, 09:11 AM)Momoni Wrote: So wait. Why can't all of the servers with RP on them be advertised as unofficial RP servers? Looks like there are at least four servers that people would like to RP on. Forcing people to make a choice to follow RP isn't fair if people have already made some friends and such on their own server.

I still really don't get this. In all my years of role-playing in MMOs I've never really witnessed such a desire to spread the already small role-play community about. To me this is just new role-players that want to do their own thing because for some reason they think the old players will try to rule over them and tell them what to do. Even though, as others have pointed out, it's likely the new players will outnumber the old role-players anyway. They are certainly free to do what they want, but this community already voted on a server long ago. To come here now and ask for a change is fairly rude. And for what purpose? While I can maybe see reasons for a second, non-legacy server, we do NOT need four. That's absolutely ridiculous and unneeded. A server is a server. While they may be nice and clean when new, in a few months they will all basically be the same, except that the population will have diluted even more and those that went to strike out on a new server with an even smaller group of role-players will likely find that they are very much alone.

As for already having friends on these servers, if they met during the beta, which is going to be wiped anyway, and they want to role-play, why can't they agree to all start on an unofficial RP server when the real game starts? Why should the majority conform to the minority? If they want to strike it out on their own, more power to them, but this community has already established itself and everyone is more than welcome to join. If not... well, we hope you have fun wherever you are.

Every time I decide to play an MMO and I want to role-play in it, I look for where the role-players are and I go there. I don't ask them to change their server choice on my account or suggest that they support one that I just happened to randomly start in and am too lazy to move from. I'm not special and I want to be where the best opportunities for role-play will be now and, hopefully, years to come.

To me it's like this: You want to go to a Star Trek convention because you like Star Trek. There's an annual convention coming up that's been going on for years and is really popular. However, new fans now are asking for a second, third and forth convention to be opened next door so they can be first in line yet they want to have all the same merchandise tables and guest speakers that are at the regular convention hall.

Anyway, people can go where they want, of course, and no one here wants to stop them. But to ask for support for all these offshoots is just ridiculous to me. We already have a server and we'll soon maybe have a second. That's all we need.

(07-01-2013, 10:23 AM)ArmachiA Wrote: I'm 90% sure if they did designate an RP server, they'd probably just make it Balmung and get it out of the way, which wouldn't solve the "Nonlegacy" problem

I highly doubt this. I've never seen an already established server change tags later on in an MMO. The RP community is a minority on Balmung as is. Why would they change the tag and piss off and confuse all the normal players there? Imagine the vitriol and toxicity to the RP community then when the normal players get their server tag changed? For our sake I hope they don't change the tag so we can RP in some amount of peace. Given that the server transfers are coming to an end soon, I'm starting to think we won't see an RP server at this point. It would just add more confusion at this point. It's basically too late.

Sterne · **07-01-2013, 03:15 PM**

I must have missed the strong request for four separate servers, but I am glad that you can see at least some of the point for a non-legacy RP server. However, I do not see that people are trying to change the majority for their convenience with this non-legacy RP server. It's just requesting support for everyone else of like mind who also wants to RP and enjoy the game with a fresh community, not one carried over from 1.0.

(07-01-2013, 02:53 PM)Averis Wrote: I highly doubt this. I've never seen an already established server change tags later on in an MMO. The RP community is a minority on Balmung as is. Why would they change the tag and piss off and confuse all the normal players there? Imagine the vitriol and toxicity to the RP community then when the normal players get their server tag changed? For our sake I hope they don't change the tag so we can RP in some amount of peace. Given that the server transfers are coming to an end soon, I'm starting to think we won't see an RP server at this point. It would just add more confusion at this point. It's basically too late.

I don't think it's too late for a tag to come through and transfers to re-open. While it may be inconvenient and extra work for the dev team, this first transfer is strictly for moving legacy characters among legacy servers. It's not outside the realm of possibility for another transfer to take place once an RP server is tagged.

It could be as simple as: "We have an RP server now. If you want to transfer to it, submit an application!" For some it'd mean moving twice, but Balmung isn't the only server with RPers.

I do hope they tag a server as RP. That way the ambiguity, confusion, and butt hurting can stop. The RPers will be in spot and can all commune there. No need to votes, no need for polls. No questions and no uncertainty. That's what I want.

Averis · **07-01-2013, 03:24 PM**

I probably come off sounding more angsty about this than I mean to. At the end of the day I would rather everyone be happy than not. So I'm all for people to do what they want. I'm actually very much a "live and let live" kinda person (believe it or not). I'm just giving my view on it, is all. My motives are simply that I'd wish we could all just be a happy "family", as I see role-players as a very small group amongst a very large gaming community. And thus I think we should stick together.

As for the server thing, sure, I really don't know what is going to happen. I'd like an official RP server too, but I don't think it will necessarily simplify things. If it's a new non-legacy server then all the legacy characters will be stuck for a while until they let them move. The community here would be split just the same, I think. It's not really a simple matter to resolve.

Momoni · **07-01-2013, 03:26 PM**

(07-01-2013, 09:34 AM)Kylin Wrote: There are two problems with that though.

1. Multiple Rp servers vying for prominence in the RP community (and trying to bolster linkshell numbers) for an extended period of time will create a very competitive and toxic environment in this community. The RPC doesn't want anything to do with that, and wants to wash its hands of it here and now. The RPC was originally formed to unite RPers, and allowing something like that to happen is completely contradictory to our purpose.

2. Even if issue #1 is completely avoided by some miracle, there's still the problem of community bonds. By creating a "trial run" for multiple servers, we allow time to pass in which individuals will develop friendships with other people on their servers. By the time one server is clearly out on top, it would be too late. A number of people would be unwilling to change servers at that point and the RP population would suffer potential stagnation even faster as a result.

1. Okay, but that community already exists. The post announcing the poll is full of "we guess you guys want a server. and we guess, if we really have to, we'll support you.", "if you win a poll we'll advertise you(after ourselves), but with added emphasis on ourselves(so they might not even hear about you), and if your forum area is ever too quiet we'll get rid of it(but seriously, join us)

Even your post right here. You make sure to point out that the RPC is the first on google list. As if to imply that, because you're the top authority, appearing at the top of google, that everyone is going to listen to you.

It's a breeding elitism, and it's the general tone which leads me to suggest allowing all three servers. Because I would really, really like to avoid Balmung - and anyone who carries and expresses your sentiments on how (super totally) important you all must be.

2. But these aren't the days of group chats. MSN chats closed down ten years ago, since then there's no instance of a player needing hundreds to thousands of people to role play. You're talking about a generation of RPers that would RP with the same 20 people just as contentedly as they would RP with 100.

People have already formed bonds, that has literally already happened. If you wanted to stop it you're pretty late to the party. I'd say adapt to that, give everyone their chance, instead of decreeing that your unofficial word be appeased.

(07-01-2013, 02:53 PM)Averis Wrote:
(07-01-2013, 09:11 AM)Momoni Wrote: So wait. Why can't all of the servers with RP on them be advertised as unofficial RP servers? Â Looks like there are at least four servers that people would like to RP on. Forcing people to make a choice to follow RP isn't fair if people have already made some friends and such on their own server.

I still really don't get this. In all my years of role-playing in MMOs I've never really witnessed such a desire to spread the already small role-play community about. To me this is just new role-players that want to do their own thing because for some reason they think the old players will try to rule over them and tell them what to do. Even though, as others have pointed out, it's likely the new players will outnumber the old role-players anyway. They are certainly free to do what they want, but this community already voted on a server long ago. To come here now and ask for a change is fairly rude. And for what purpose? While I can maybe see reasons for a second, non-legacy server, we do NOT need four. That's absolutely ridiculous and unneeded. A server is a server. While they may be nice and clean when new, in a few months they will all basically be the same, except that the population will have diluted even more and those that went to strike out on a new server with an even smaller group of role-players will likely find that they are very much alone.

Not at all, nor is the condescension appreciated, thank you. I came here and made a suggestion, to call that rude? When opinions are publicly being accepted over what to do with a second server? You need to calm down.

Role play is not your playground. Nobody is scared that you'll tell them what to do. They're scared that you'll be rude to them because they aren't your super bestest friend.

And the issue right now is that you, as an individual, validated that fear people might have about you.

Quote:As for already having friends on these servers, if they met during the beta, which is going to be wiped anyway, and they want to role-play, why can't they agree to all start on an unofficial RP server when the real game starts? Why should the majority conform to the minority? If they want to strike it out on their own, more power to them, but this community has already established itself and everyone is more than welcome to join. If not... well, we hope you have fun wherever you are.Â

Because role players make and have friends that don't role play on top of ones that do. You're telling them to prefer one type over the other since people that are going to want to go far in the game? Wont' want to do it in a community of RPers. Even if you could prove that RPers aren't notoriously bad with PVE/PVP content, you'd still get people citing WoW over how they are.

Quote:Every time I decide to play an MMO and I want to role-play in it, I look for where the role-players are and I go there. I don't ask them to change their server choice on my account or suggest that they support one that I just happened to randomly start in and am too lazy to move from. I'm not special and I want to be where the best opportunities for role-play will be now and, hopefully, years to come.Â

Okay, but neither is a site like this. It's not special, and if the RP moved from where it wanted, it'd be out of luck, hum? Don't ever mistake a third party forum body for an official word. It's not special either, it's only relevance is in convenience. Take advantage of that, and your only user base will be people that google you every once in a while.

Quote:To me it's like this: You want to go to a Star Trek convention because you like Star Trek. There's an annual convention coming up that's been going on for years and is really popular. However, new fans now are asking for a second, third and forth convention to be opened next door so they can be first in line yet they want to have all the same merchandise tables and guest speakers that are at the regular convention hall.

Nobody wants the same celebrities. They want to settle where they're comfortable, without dying in obscurity. As this is a site to advertise RP, it's only function is to conveniently do that. It's not special, it's not official, it doesn't decree the laws of the lands(or else there would be official RP server( s )). So it's not in the context you're implying at all.

What we're doing is asking for a Star Trek convention closer to home, getting told by all the older trekkies with a lot more money that it's too bad that we're poor, that we just want all the same stars they do, and then we have to remind them that they aren't stars - they're cosplayers.

We get the same story, we get the same NPCs, all we want is a community to have a chance. Not to be told by people that aren't special that we aren't either.

We never thought we were. Doesn't mean we're not allowed to speak.

Quote:Anyway, people can go where they want, of course, and no one here wants to stop them. But to ask for support for all these offshoots is just ridiculous to me. We already have a server and we'll soon maybe have a second. That's all we need.Â

Sure they do. See first part of the post.

Sterne · **07-01-2013, 03:33 PM**

Someone get Momoni a cookie.

I have to say I agree with just about all of your post. Congrats on the clarity and slaughtering of ambiguity. Looking forward to meeting you in game (at some point).

Averis · **07-01-2013, 03:41 PM**

Well, I don't want to get into an argument over this (again). I do want to clarify that I personally never even said that this community was the ONLY RP community that should and could ever exist in FFXIV. There was actually a second FFXIV RP forum for a while. But as it stand right now, this is probably the largest forum for it. That doesn't mean there can't be others.

You are more than welcome to do what you want. I in no way shape or form think that I'm better than you or anyone. It's not my goal at all to stop anyone from playing elsewhere. I am only giving my view in regards to THIS community, which is also free to make its own decisions.

If you want to start something new, go for it! Thumbsup

(07-01-2013, 03:26 PM)Momoni Wrote: They're scared that you'll be rude to them because they aren't your super bestest friend.

And the issue right now is that you, as an individual, validated that fear people might have about you.

It's funny you say that, since I'm actually just about as new as you here. I don't have any friends already established in this community. I barely played 1.0. I'd be just as open to RP with you as anyone else here. If I met your character in game, I'd likely assume that you've been around longer than me. I really would have no idea.

Like I said in a previous post, my only motivation is to simply keep the small role-play community (in this forum or not) as least spread out as possible so that we can all have fun together. It's really just that simple. I have no other motives than that. I'd like to have a lot of new players to play with too, since I'm pretty much one as well.

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