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Aysun · **07-07-2013, 10:08 PM**

Yes, you can simply hide the mark for IC purposes. Smile

/legacy off or /lmark off or something, can't remember.

Kyatai · **07-07-2013, 10:17 PM**

Meh... just to clarify my 'rare' statement...
I'm not saying WoL would be 1 in a million... I just mean relatively speaking.
Out of 5k, 500 are WoL. That's still rare.
Now if there were 2k WoL to 5k... I'd say 'ok.. just uncommon'

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moody · **07-07-2013, 11:26 PM**

(07-07-2013, 06:39 AM)Black Wrote: I've thought about creating a different character, like a con-artist, who claims he is a WoL, too, but wasn't. He may be found out or not, but really, he isn't "bad" in that while he does use it for advantage, he does go out and save people currently (maybe inadvertently). I am still toying with that idea....although OOCly, I probably am "ruining" it by "blabbing" about it.

So.... Hydaelyn Booster Gold?Â Laugh

Merri · **07-08-2013, 12:14 AM**

Personally, I feel as though this might be one of those things that gets overlooked by a lot of people, mainly due to the fact that it throws an absolutely massive wrench in the gears of a lot of people's characters.Â

To me, it seems like a cop-out by SE so they don't have to develop an entirely different storyline for 1.0 players, since if our characters were remembered, well, we'd probably receive a heroes welcome and be sent off on some dangerous mission above what they'd have a newer adventurer work their way up to.

Either way, there's a whole mess of us that are canonically "Warriors of Light", and will probably stick with that branding, however forgo the loss of memories from those that didn't skip. I know some of my friends are choosing to ignore it in regards to my character, and that's fine with me, as I'd rather they not have forgotten about him. It just seems silly.

That being said, I'm all for anyone else from 1.0 that interacted with my character having all memory of him swept away. That's their own choice, and I'd stand by it fully.

As has also been mentioned in the thread, we really don't know the full of the situation. I'll go into detail in the spoiler below since they are technically storyline spoilers.

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Bottom line, it could be anything. We really just don't know the specifics yet or just how wide spread it is. All anyone has right now is speculation. That's about it.

Kyatai · **07-08-2013, 12:28 AM**

so in other words...
The RP is wide open, however you choose to play it. And it may all just come out in the normal passage of time and rhythm of RP interactions.
Good. Smile

I'm all about various types and interpretations of RP that adheres to accepted world lore. And seems... the canon lore here is pretty vague. Which gives us wiggle room in which to dance and create.

Whereas vagueness can be very annoying (some of us want yes and no answers), some allows for us to let our minds expand into the realm of "oohh what if?" and "maybe..."
Good stuff- the more valid RP avenues that can be explored to enhance RP overall, the better.

But just so yanno... if I see a cadre of Twilight vamps/wolves 'transported' here by the Aether... or a Jedi that was 'drawn by the Force' to come help, etc... somehow 'pulled in' by Louisioux's spell...
I'll choke someone.
Evil

Ashren Dotharl · **07-08-2013, 12:28 AM**

Well as Aysun said, everyone with the Echo was apparently immune to the amnesiac effects of the Calamity, which would also mean that all the PCs would be immune to them, so as far as RPers go unless you're playing a character who doesn't have the Echo (and tbh why would you?) then SE has already provided you the loophole to avoid not remembering your friends.

Kyatai · **07-08-2013, 12:30 AM**

good point.
But in my defense... I have no real knowledge of what Echo is...?

Isilme · **07-08-2013, 12:35 AM**

I'm actually in kind of a unique position, because I have two chars: One who timeskipped, and one who didn't.

Isilme IS Legacy, but she didn't timeskip, and isn't a Warrior of Light. She left with a group of refugees for an Isle off the coast of La Noscea, and lived out the five years. As such, she struggles a bit, having forgotten most of her adventuring friends. She remembers important figures in her life, like her father and Eva, but she can't recall details, like how they looked, how their voices sounded... She knows who they were, that they were important, and the effect they had on her life, but she wouldn't recognize them on the street.

Hirilonde (Isilme's father) was at Carteneau, and he DID timeskip. And when he comes back, he's not some legendary mythical warrior who beat back Bahamut. He's an old knight that no one remembers, who's home was destroyed, and who's position is gone. So he's forced back into adventuring out of necessity (He was a career soldier)

FreelanceWizard · **07-08-2013, 12:36 AM**

(07-08-2013, 12:30 AM)Kyatai Wrote: good point.
But in my defense... I have no real knowledge of what Echo is...?

Allow me to provide some knowledge. Smile

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Kyatai · **07-08-2013, 12:49 AM**

(07-08-2013, 12:36 AM)FreelanceWizard Wrote:
(07-08-2013, 12:30 AM)Kyatai Wrote: good point.
But in my defense... I have no real knowledge of what Echo is...?

Allow me to provide some knowledge.

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The Echo is...
...a power granted to the chosen of Hydaelyn that gives them the ability to relive the memories of others (largely out of their control) and to understand all languages. It also renders you immune to a certain power of Primals that would otherwise make you unable to fight them. The exact nature of this is a massive spoiler of the ARR plotline that I'll only disclose to interested parties over PM.

Ahh... thank you FreelanceWizard. That helps... some *laughs* though rather unclear on the

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However, if the exact nature of the Echo is something best learned IG/IC... then I'll hold off on knowing more. Just suffice that it is something certain folks received...
I am assuming that that is what the Kupos were referring to in the intro bit to Ur'Dah? The "you're special" and "not all can see us"?
My main reason for wanting to understand what it is was for char background and story purposes. I -am- curious however how one received the Echo- and was it something they KNEW they received- or just kinda snuck up on them unawares.

Ashren Dotharl · **07-08-2013, 12:55 AM**

No one knew they had it in 1.0 until you got far enough into the story to have it explained to you what it was. As far as the part you're not clear on...

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Kyatai · **07-08-2013, 01:11 AM**

Oohhh so kinda like a mixture of

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That could be pretty cool in RP... esp if you were dealing with non-PC's or those PC's RPing without the Echo.

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Adelpha · **07-08-2013, 01:31 AM**

(07-08-2013, 12:14 AM)Merri Wrote: snip

Well said; you've elaborated a lot of what I feel about this whole thing as well.

In the end, as far as I'm concerned:

1) The whole "Warriors of Light" thing is an easy out taken by SE so that they don't have to write two sets of dialog for most of the content in the game. They can establish that, as a 1.0 character, you've been "forgotten," and therefore everyone in Eorzea will speak to you as though you're a brand-new adventurer with the same dialog as everyone else (with a few token exceptions). This feels more like a concession to project schedule/budget realities than anything else, and I doubt that SE even really considered what implications that might have for established RP (nor can I necessarily blame them).

2) If we're all to assume that everyone who was teleported was forgotten (in one way or another) by everyone who stayed behind, that potentially ruins so much of the RP interaction that happened during 1.0 for many of us that those people would be left feeling like SE is forcibly throwing their entire IC history in the garbage and leaving them to start over from square one. Understandably, not everyone is OK with that, leaving them to find some workaround for the memory loss thing, or simply to disregard it entirely.

Some players may be totally willing to accept the memory loss and all of the consequences that come with it, and I am absolutely in support of that. However, I am not one of those people. Official lore or not, if it were to come down to having to essentially retcon every memory my character has of time-warped characters (and thus invalidate a whole lot of what I did in 1.0), I'd probably just rather quit RP entirely.

Naunet · **07-08-2013, 01:45 AM**

(07-08-2013, 01:31 AM)Adelpha Wrote: Some players may be totally willing to accept the memory loss and all of the consequences that come with it, and I am absolutely in support of that. However, I am not one of those people. Official lore or not, if it were to come down to having to essentially retcon every memory my character has of time-warped characters (and thus invalidate a whole lot of what I did in 1.0), I'd probably just rather quit RP entirely.

While I totally understand the frustration, I think attempting to ICly find a way around the memory loss is a far more interesting path for RP than simply ignoring it. In fact, I think the whole thing sets up for some really good RP as your character attempts to find their place in a world that doesn't remember who they are - perhaps even trying to re-befriend their past friends and family in a desperate attempt to get them to remember them.

Black · **07-08-2013, 03:18 AM**

(07-07-2013, 11:26 PM)moody Wrote:
(07-07-2013, 06:39 AM)Black Wrote: I've thought about creating a different character, like a con-artist, who claims he is a WoL, too, but wasn't. He may be found out or not, but really, he isn't "bad" in that while he does use it for advantage, he does go out and save people currently (maybe inadvertently). I am still toying with that idea....although OOCly, I probably am "ruining" it by "blabbing" about it.

So.... Hydaelyn Booster Gold?Â

That's as good an explanation as any, although I'd probably go with "lovable rogue" in there, even though Booster can be lovable and a "hero" when it comes down to it.

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