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synaesthetic · **01-30-2014, 09:04 PM**

I was also permabanned for telling people to stop posting threads whining about the Coil nerfs, and explaining to them that trying to prevent other people from having fun is not healthy and they should seek professional help. Big Grin

LiadansWhisper · **01-30-2014, 09:09 PM**

(01-30-2014, 09:04 PM)synaesthetic Wrote: I was also permabanned for telling people to stop posting threads whining about the Coil nerfs, and explaining to them that trying to prevent other people from having fun is not healthy and they should seek professional help.

I really wonder about some of the people in this game. Â To this day, I don't understand how someone else seeing content you've already seen somehow "lessens" the experience for them. Â Huh

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I could see if they nerfed it straight off, meaning anyone looking for serious raiding would have nothing to do. Â But I don't see the issue with nerfing it once there's newer content out that can provide a better challenge. Â Let everyone see the content. Â They pay for it, too.

synaesthetic · **01-30-2014, 09:16 PM**

It's not just this game. I've seen this kind of elitist behavior in every MMO I've ever played. Back when Square introduced accessibility enhancements into FFXI (this was before Abyssea), the elitists blew their tops.

Same thing happened in WoW, in SWTOR, in TERA. The only games I haven't seen it happen in were RIFT and GW2, because Trion is well-loved by its fans and because I didn't actually play GW2 enough to see it.

LiadansWhisper · **01-30-2014, 09:21 PM**

(01-30-2014, 09:16 PM)synaesthetic Wrote: It's not just this game. I've seen this kind of elitist behavior in every MMO I've ever played. Back when Square introduced accessibility enhancements into FFXI (this was before Abyssea), the elitists blew their tops.

Same thing happened in WoW, in SWTOR, in TERA. The only games I haven't seen it happen in were RIFT and GW2, because Trion is well-loved by its fans and because I didn't actually play GW2 enough to see it.

Yeah, I haven't seen it in Rift either (been poking that a bit, checking out their patch). Â But you're right - I've seen it every other game I've played in, too. Â I just don't get it. Â What I find funny is that I rarely see it in the most hardcore players. Â They literally don't care because they got what they were after when they cleared it in the first place. Â They don't care about the gear, and they don't care about other people seeing content they've already cleared. Â They only care about new content being released for them.

Just silliness. Â Sorry you got permabanned. Â I tried sending in a ticket asking how on earth my post fit into what they said they were banning me for, but yeah. Â No response. Â :-\

synaesthetic · **01-31-2014, 05:20 AM**

The elitists and the hardcore raiders are not necessarily the same thing, nor are they mutually exclusive. There's a lot of intersection here, but I've mostly found that elitists tend to be wannabe-hardcore types who manage, through blunt-force headbashing, manage to get to some level of progression and gear.

Because they have such a hard time progressing, once they've managed to get what they have... they don't want anyone else getting it, either. They're not going to care much about the actual hardcore raiders, but they need to have someone to look down on.

Hence "elitists." Tongue

LiadansWhisper · **01-31-2014, 05:30 AM**

(01-31-2014, 05:20 AM)synaesthetic Wrote: The elitists and the hardcore raiders are not necessarily the same thing, nor are they mutually exclusive. There's a lot of intersection here, but I've mostly found that elitists tend to be wannabe-hardcore types who manage, through blunt-force headbashing, manage to get to some level of progression and gear.

Because they have such a hard time progressing, once they've managed to get what they have... they don't want anyone else getting it, either. They're not going to care much about the actual hardcore raiders, but they need to have someone to look down on.

Hence "elitists."

I just find it funny because I used to think all hardcore raiders were elitist, because that was the impression I got from the plethora of elitists. Â I was very surprised to discover that most of them really aren't. Â I think everyone has one or two elitist streaks, but most hardcore raiders just really...don't care.

Yup, it's totally the wannabes. Â Big Grin

I WILL STOP DERAILING THIS THREAD! Â I SWEAR! Â Heart

synaesthetic · **02-01-2014, 05:21 PM**

I'm elitist about fashion, baby.

If you don't know how to coordinate, forget it!Â

And those clothes? So last patch!

Come back when you've learned how to vanity. Tongue

LiadansWhisper · **02-01-2014, 09:45 PM**

(02-01-2014, 05:21 PM)synaesthetic Wrote: I'm elitist about fashion, baby.

If you don't know how to coordinate, forget it!Â

And those clothes? So last patch!

Come back when you've learned how to vanity.

I wish wish wish wish wish wish they would do it like Rift's system!

Olofantur · **02-03-2014, 12:09 PM**

(02-01-2014, 09:45 PM)LiadansWhisper Wrote:
(02-01-2014, 05:21 PM)synaesthetic Wrote: I'm elitist about fashion, baby.

If you don't know how to coordinate, forget it!Â

And those clothes? So last patch!

Come back when you've learned how to vanity.

I wish wish wish wish wish wish they would do it like Rift's system!

You just want to run around looking like a chef while you heal people. BE HONEST

Kage · **02-03-2014, 12:42 PM**

I really hope it's not a case of use the look of an item that must be destroyed. I really love the reindeer look sometimes so somedays I just want to be a BLM destroyed things as a reindeer.

Or I don't particularly like the appearance of the BLM myth chest piece. I much prefer the Crimson Vest (QQ I take shoes that dropped all the time during last week and my first run on sunday had caster gloves, pants AND VEST) or the allagan tunic of casting. Then again if I can get the tunic I wouldn't wear the crimson vest... but I much prefer the crimson vest over the myth robe.

I wonder how it would work in PVP. I don't think examining would be good because it takes time to do that when you can otherwise be smashing a player into oblivion dealing damage. I assume they would disable it...?

Naunet · **02-03-2014, 01:46 PM**

(02-03-2014, 12:42 PM)ExKage Wrote: I wonder how it would work in PVP.Â

Ideally, just how it works in games like Rift, which have no restrictions on their wardrobe system, even in PvP. Take a look at the weapon they're using, the patterns of their behavior, and the spells they cast to determine group comp.

LiadansWhisper · **02-03-2014, 02:25 PM**

(02-03-2014, 12:09 PM)Olofantur Wrote: You just want to run around looking like a chef while you heal people. BE HONEST

Crap. Â You found me out! Â Cactuar

(02-03-2014, 12:42 PM)ExKage Wrote: I wonder how it would work in PVP. I don't think examining would be good because it takes time to do that when you can otherwise be smashing a player into oblivion dealing damage. I assume they would disable it...?

Why would they need to do anything? Â Spells are very distinctive - both in the animations the characters make and in the colors used. Â Plus, weapons will give you away every time. Â Smile

Jana · **02-03-2014, 02:56 PM**

Who are you more likely to blow cooldowns against: A DPS in full Darklight gear or one in full Direwolf? It isn't as if games haven't let you cover up PvP gear before, and players with a good set often don't change their appearance (my experience in Tera comes to mind), but it isn't as if there's no reason to keep them that way. Given how SE has already made it so that you can't even see your opponent's names or emote at them, it wouldn't surprise me if they wanted to keep you from being able to mislead them with gear appearances.

synaesthetic · **02-03-2014, 03:41 PM**

One would think they'd be even more likely to allow you to hide your gear, considering how they hide your name and prevent you from communicating with the enemy.

Oh, I did love the swimsuit reflect trolls in TERA...

LiadansWhisper · **02-03-2014, 04:00 PM**

(02-03-2014, 02:56 PM)Jana Wrote: Who are you more likely to blow cooldowns against: A DPS in full Darklight gear or one in full Direwolf? It isn't as if games haven't let you cover up PvP gear before, and players with a good set often don't change their appearance (my experience in Tera comes to mind), but it isn't as if there's no reason to keep them that way. Given how SE has already made it so that you can't even see your opponent's names or emote at them, it wouldn't surprise me if they wanted to keep you from being able to mislead them with gear appearances.

Well, I have no idea how they would accomplish that, and I have no interest in PvP in this game. Â That said, I think it's, quite frankly, silly. Â They don't even let you see your opponent's health, which would be a much, much, much better indication of their overall gear quality.

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