(04-17-2015, 05:40 PM)Kayllen Wrote:Wait, I'm confused now... just what are you arguing then? That there is no racism in Ishgard, right? Or that... we can't assume there is because there's no proof, or whatever? I feel like you are backtracking somewhere...(04-17-2015, 05:39 PM)Kage Wrote: How do you not call treating half-races differently racist?
Because you know what that is? I call that shit racisim. Call that politically correct however you might, but treating "half-races" differently is racist.
It's a good thing I don't disagree with you. You're still not making any reasonable points in relation to the actual conversation, though.
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04-17-2015, 05:42 PM
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04-17-2015, 05:45 PM
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We're far afield. Topic is "irregular race/nationality combinations," not "dissect what other people have been saying in an attempt to start personal fights." Get back on topic or I'm locking this down. Warnings WILL go out to the next few people who toe the line. Temp bans too, if necessary. [/Moderator Hardhat] |
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04-17-2015, 05:48 PM
(This post was last modified: 04-17-2015, 05:54 PM by Kage.)
WAIT WAIT WAIT. So, you keep saying I have nothing relevant when... You are saying that there is no evidence of systemic racism in Ishgard.
When did I say this? Is it my -backed up by Lore man himself- statement that it is socially ingrained for the races to dislike each other? Is Ishgard some utopia? Edit: "What is Systemic Racism? Systemic racism occurs when the way a society is structured systematically ends up giving advantages to some and disadvantages to others." Did you not just agree with me that, as lore stated, that half-races are treated differently and hence it is racist? Edit2: I mean crap, I just came into the conversation going "cultural racisim, proof? yeah here's what the lore team stated." "Yes I can see this happening in Ishgard, would not surprise me one bit." I'm not dogpiling you, but you keep saying what I've provided is irrelevant to any type of society-ingrained racisim when I'm pretty sure it is. |
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04-17-2015, 05:53 PM
(This post was last modified: 04-17-2015, 05:57 PM by Aya.)
[Redacted after reading Melkire's post. I respect our Moderator's wishes!]
I will just say that I always stated my thoughts on Ishgardian systematic racism as conjecture and inference. Never as fact because, as I have pointed out repeatedly, there is no fact to draw upon! |
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04-17-2015, 06:25 PM
I have found that in dealing with IC discrimination from a specific source, I always try to avoid it IC.  It's usually a case that said IC person is attempting to assert authority where none is had in order to push a viewpoint that few agree with.
ICÂ I believe that when someone goes out of their way to be totally uncooperative based on a preconceived notion that, IC, it is up to everyone around to ignore them as much as possible to keep things from derailing into a situation that is neither relevant nor entertaining. |
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04-17-2015, 07:16 PM
(This post was last modified: 04-17-2015, 07:18 PM by Kellach Woods.)
guise.
y u invalidating my character. wat if ther's no island west south west of vylbrand and ive been makin dis bullshit up as i go along becuz theirs no lore available for a tru outsiderz? * * * td;dr (too dumb didn't read): you are relying too much on the game's lore when we are shown a tiny, VERY TINY, PROPORTIONALLY MINUSCULE amount of life in Eorzea. Yeah sure it's documented, but the game's lore is there for us to expound upon, not limit ourselves. I'm fairly willing to retcon some shit if I'm wrong and there's in-game/dev confirmation I fucked up. Why y'all gotta be difficult about changing stuff/forcing other people to change stuff preemptively? |
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04-17-2015, 07:23 PM
(This post was last modified: 04-17-2015, 07:42 PM by McBeefâ„¢.)
What is everyone mad about.
I wanna be mad too. Edit: Oh, on topic. Everyone is racist, all beings divide each other other into groups. Even animals do it~ |
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04-17-2015, 09:09 PM
(04-17-2015, 05:48 PM)Kage Wrote: WAIT WAIT WAIT. So, you keep saying I have nothing relevant when... You are saying that there is no evidence of systemic racism in Ishgard.I can't speak for anyone else, but I'd like to clarify what I'm talking about here. There's this common perception that Ishgard is by and far the most racist of the 4 nations. If we're going by *only* in-game evidence, it's actually the least racist of the 4. I cannot stress this enough, hating foreigners is not the same thing as racism. They often go hand-in-hand, but they are completely separate concepts. Yeah, there's racism everywhere, so by default it exists in Ishgard as well. What I'm trying to get across is that they aren't out hanging non-elezens from trees and burning spears in people's yards. How this ties back to the original point is that just because they're not in love with the idea of having a miqo'te in their midst, doesn't mean they're going to show her the door either. |
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