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E'irawen · **04-09-2014, 11:02 AM**

Heya. Posting again and stuff.

I'm not really sure what to do or anything. I pick up random RP sometimes in the Quicksands, but I seem to have issues making lasting connections for K'aworu, and even myself. He has his sister and her people, but I don't want him just riding those coattails and burdening those players, y'know?

I feel kind of stuck and frustrated with it. I really want to rp. I try to get out there, pick up tavern RP, or go to events if I can (i know there is a ball coming up, but my alt is going with her fiancee. I'm sure K'aworu doesn't want to go alone, either. So.)

I have little plots with him and stuff, but I can't quite get it off it's feel very well. He has no connections, nothing.

So...yeah. I don't know, I guess. Feeling lost and discouraged.

John Spiegel · **04-09-2014, 11:51 AM**

That's an issue I have outside of the pearl (mainly due to my job keeping me out 25-30 days at a time). What I would suggest is you have K'aworu get mixed up in someone else's stuff. Tavern RP is nice but it doesn't build lasting bonds as getting through something with someone can.

Zhavi · **04-09-2014, 11:57 AM**

I think a lot of the time the reason rp doesn't turn into long-term connections is because the characters haven't connected. For many characters, unless you put external pressure on them to be around certain other characters, they're not going to naturally come together. They need to be able to have a good reason to hang around a stranger and get to know them better -- it's the same way in real life. Most of the interactions I have with strangers don't go anywhere. I have no desire to get to know the girl I had a ten minute conversation with any better. Granted, sometimes spontaneous rp turns into something spectacular, but far more often than not no connection is made.

This is why I encourage people to talk to players oocly. One more thing you can do is either discuss some ideas, or have some in your own mind to push circumstantial/spontaneous meetings into the territory of a memorable encounter. It's why I try to always have some sort of plot in mind for rp, even if it's something simple. Like, heck, once upon a time I set up a scene where a group of street kids were beating up a stray dog, and my character was getting ready to beat up the ringleader, because it was something my character would do, and because I knew the character I was playing with wouldn't be able to walk by. In the end, the morality of both characters was challenged, and though they were uneasy around each other, it eventually lead to more conversations and more butting into each other's business.

So, you know, look around at others' characters, find one that would jive well with yours, talk to the player. Give the characters something to work towards/against either for a one-off rp or that can turn into a multi-encounter thing. Keep pushing until they form a connection.

cuideag · **04-09-2014, 12:54 PM**

(04-09-2014, 11:57 AM)Zhavi Wrote: I think a lot of the time the reason rp doesn't turn into long-term connections is because the characters haven't connected. Â For many characters, unless you put external pressure on them to be around certain other characters, they're not going to naturally come together. Â They need to be able to have a good reason to hang around a stranger and get to know them better -- it's the same way in real life. Â Most of the interactions I have with strangers don't go anywhere. Â I have no desire to get to know the girl I had a ten minute conversation with any better. Granted, sometimes spontaneous rp turns into something spectacular, but far more often than not no connection is made.

This is why I encourage people to talk to players oocly. Â One more thing you can do is either discuss some ideas, or have some in your own mind to push circumstantial/spontaneous meetings into the territory of a memorable encounter. Â It's why I try to always have some sort of plot in mind for rp, even if it's something simple. Â Like, heck, once upon a time I set up a scene where a group of street kids were beating up a stray dog, and my character was getting ready to beat up the ringleader, because it was something my character would do, and because I knew the character I was playing with wouldn't be able to walk by. Â In the end, the morality of both characters was challenged, and though they were uneasy around each other, it eventually lead to more conversations and more butting into each other's business.

So, you know, look around at others' characters, find one that would jive well with yours, talk to the player. Â Give the characters something to work towards/against either for a one-off rp or that can turn into a multi-encounter thing. Â Keep pushing until they form a connection.

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Tavern chit-chat is one thing, and it's great if you want some casual, killin-the-time RP. Lasting connections need reasoning behind them so throw yourself out there, make some OOC connections! Get to know the other players as well as the characters they play, and scheme! I think you will find that your interactions will be more fullfilling and the relationships you build IC and OOC will help make the RP game more enjoyable overall.

ArmachiA · **04-09-2014, 02:06 PM**

OOC is very important for this. You want to RP with someone? Send them a tell. Say "Hello" to them. This is the ONLY way I've found to make connections, it's really the only way I've found that works. Characters can talk in a bar all they want, but like the real world, there is no guarantee that they will meet again. However, unlike the real world, they all have players pulling their puppet strings so it's easy to go "I think your and my character get along, we should rp more!" Then set a date (Don't say "We should rp more" and then don't set a date, that's bein' lame).

I do this because I have absolutely no shame and I've met a lot of really cool characters this way.

It's just so, so important.

E'irawen · **04-09-2014, 02:15 PM**

I've been finding it difficult to set up times/dates with a majority of people I am meeting. Everyone keeps saying that spontaneous RP is better and that they prefer it, and that they don't like to set up things. So... I'm not sure on that front. :s

I'll do my best to try and be more communicative OOCly, though. I'm generally not. I get really nervous and anxious.

Magellan · **04-09-2014, 02:29 PM**

The problem with spontaneous rp is it kind of leads back to your original post; spontaneous rp usually doesn't lead anywhere meaningful, and fails to set up deeper connections (though sometimes it does).

In order for others to get invested in your character, and vice versa, there needs to be some sense of continuity, which is best developed with OOC communication and planned rp. Give them a reason to keep building a shared story together (whether those be IC or OOC reasons), otherwise it will just be fluff rp like tavern and whatnot.

Zhavi · **04-09-2014, 02:38 PM**

When it comes to people who prefer spontaneous rp, the key is to have an idea of what to do in your head. Have a few ideas in mind of things that can happen during the rp and then have it happen once you start rping. If you're in game, I think it's best to try to set something up in the moment. Worst case scenario, they're busy or don't want to -- you've shown your interest and hopefully have made a good impression. Chances are if you try again you might be able to make something work. Generally I go with a three strike rule. If I try to rp with someone on three separate occasions and they're always busy and don't want to work out a time, then I move on to someone else.

Otherwise, I think sometimes that if you find a great character that you want to play with, pm the player on these forums (usually if they're on the forums they're not in the middle of something and will be able to properly talk to you) and start out with telling them you would like to rp with them and that you had some ideas about when/where your characters might meet, etc. If they're interested in plotting then they'll ask about your ideas, if not then you can just try to arrange the rp itself and set something into motion once you start rping.

As I told someone else, sometimes when you get nervous it's good to think of it as a way of brightening someone else's day. It's always flattering to have someone pick you, specifically, out of all the numerous other people they could have picked. Be genuine and polite, show enthusiasm. Even if nothing works out, at the least you will have paid them a compliment and hopefully made them feel good -- can't go wrong there. And, well, it's okay if things don't work out. Try not to look at it in a negative light (easier said then done sometimes, I know). I know I've been turned down and had to turn people down due to a finicky schedule or things overlapping or whatnot -- it happens and it does not in any way reflect badly on you!

ArmachiA · **04-09-2014, 02:48 PM**

(04-09-2014, 02:15 PM)Kaoru Wrote: I've been finding it difficult to set up times/dates with a majority of people I am meeting. Everyone keeps saying that spontaneous RP is better and that they prefer it, and that they don't like to set up things. So... I'm not sure on that front. :s

I'll do my best to try and be more communicative OOCly, though. I'm generally not. I get really nervous and anxious.

Anyone who does this is bein' lame too. Find people who don't mind OOC communication. I am telling you, a whole new world opens up when you do. Everything is easier and funner and better.

Roen · **04-09-2014, 02:53 PM**

I will echo the the great advice given above.

OOC communication is very important. Now, not always will things work out the first few times around. I know I exchanged PMs with a few people here and things just didn't work out to us getting together for any arcs. But I like Zhavi's three strike rule! It gives you some leeway and room for patience. Because sometimes it's just bad timing if things don't work out, not any fault on either side.

Not to say that spontaneous RP will never lead to lasting connections, because in my experience it has as well. But I consider that pure luck. I have ran into PLENTY of people where I saw their RP emote, I wanted to play with them, but I was doing something else or whatnot and it didn't happen. That's when scheduling things ahead of time works best.

I have made some luck PMing people here too, on the RPC. I would definitely suggest that since in game people are often busy doing something, running dungeons and other RP stuff. At least while reading a PM, you know you have their full attention.

Also it sounds like you have an active SL going with at least one of your alts? The one going to the ball? Maybe use that character and their circle to start entwining it with another character of yours?

Just some suggestions. Good luck!

E'irawen · **04-09-2014, 03:23 PM**

On the topic of communicating OOCly and stuff, is it stupid to sort of 'advertise' so to speak that you want to get something romantic going for your character or is it better to just leave it up to spontaneous..ness.

Y'hmir · **04-09-2014, 03:36 PM**

(04-09-2014, 03:23 PM)Kaoru Wrote: On the topic of communicating OOCly and stuff, is it stupid to sort of 'advertise' so to speak that you want to get something romantic going for your character or is it better to just leave it up to spontaneous..ness.

I myself let it happen spontaneously but it only worked because both myself and the other player AND our characters clicked together so well- and for us that was pure chance and completely unplanned.

But I also imagine this works different for everyone, and if you already have trouble finding people for spontaneous rp, maybe this would get you a chance to know someone better- I personally have to get on well with the players behind the character too.

Melkire · **04-09-2014, 03:38 PM**

(04-09-2014, 02:53 PM)Brynn Wrote: Not to say that spontaneous RP will never lead to lasting connections, because in my experience it has as well. But I consider that pure luck.

Speaking asÂ someone who has recently been trying to branch out as far as roleplay connections are concerned, I cannot stress the aboveÂ enough.

Spontaneous RPÂ is like casting a line into a still pond. You might get a bite, and you might get what you were after, but there are so many factors beyond your control that you're better off rigging the game by going to the market and straight-out buying the fish you want for dinner.

The trick is, as others have said, to "throw yourself out there", which more or less boils down to exposure. The more often you're around, the more likely you'll run into familiar faces, theÂ more chances you'll have to break out into roleplay (this step really depends on you to be proactive), the more familiar your respective characters will get, and thus the more likely that you'll break into OOC discussion that'll lead to something more solid and lasting.

Tavern-lurking is just a small part of this. Send tells. Walk up to roleplayers who invite walk-ups in their search info. Attend events. Sign up for activities and storylines. Join linkshells. Bounce around some FCs if need be (but at least give them the courtesy of a heads-up that you're doing so).

To expand on the "wallflower" idea: people aren't looking to roleplay withÂ People-to-Whom-Interesting-Things-Happen, they're looking to roleplay with Interesting-People-to-Whom-Things-Happen.Â Meaning, if you're looking to roleplay as a passiveÂ observer, no one is going to go out of their way to invite or include you, because bystanders are boring and might as well beÂ NPCs (harsh but true).Â If, however,Â you're proactive about roleplayingÂ (even if you'reÂ roleplaying solo, say running around PearlÂ Lane hunting for some kitten that a client has hired you to catch, stopping occasionally to ask PCs if they've seen said kitty), people will take notice because you're an active, dynamic element rather than a NPC-esque wallflower. Â

As for social anxiety, there shouldn't be. That's one of the marvels of the internet: anonymity gives you the freedom that is lack of repercussions. You can be more forward and bold without having to worry, because unless you go out of your way to share your personal details with them, these people are people you'll never meet or have to deal with in real life. It's a mindset thing, and it's something that takes effort and getting used to (I still suffer on occasion from extreme bouts of shyness where I cannot bring myself to send a /tell to someone I've never spoken with before... despite their search info encouraging me to do so).

...so yeah.

E'irawen · **04-09-2014, 03:56 PM**

I appreciate the advice in this thread.Â

I suppose I don't entirely know where to start anymore with any of it. I know exposure is important, but with the difficulty I'm having even getting any RP, it feels a bit like exposure is difficult too.

I have plotstuff going for him that I've been told is interesting and not even breaking lore either, and I've posted about it several times and left bits on his wiki for people to follow, but that hasn't gone anywhere either.

A lot of the people I do know to RP with, they're end game players so their schedules are a bit busy and clogged. When I do get RP, I try to make it interesting so that it's something they want to come back to me for, y'know?

Other than tonights ball event, I usually take him to every event that (i'm aware of). I've been through like six FCs now and all of my linkshell slots are even full.

But I guess that's what I mean. It isn't really for lack of trying. I just don't really know what else I can do to "get out there" when everything I've been doing so far doesn't seem to be working? I keep wondering if maybe he's not interesting enough, despite my best efforts to make the RP sessions have some sort of drama or mini conflict or just something that can be considered interesting.

Koninbeor · **04-09-2014, 04:16 PM**

Have you ever thought about posting an open thread in the Town Square? I, for one, hardly ever look at a person's wiki unless I have a specific reason to get to know their character better; or if I'm just completely bored and have nothing to do but look at the wiki.

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