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Is it really impossible to RP if I want my character to become a White Mage?


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I really want to be a White Mage, but apparently the lore staits only Pajald can be and they are then isolated for using such magic. But you can become a white mage in game as what you are and that...

 

So do I really have to give up becoming one and switch my characters class/job activities so I can RP with her??

 

Let me know if their is anyway around this, and if not, I just need feedback! Thanks! :) :love:

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I really want to be a White Mage, but apparently the lore staits only Pajald can be and they are then isolated for using such magic. But you can become a white mage in game as what you are and that...

 

So do I really have to give up becoming one and switch my characters class/job activities so I can RP with her??

 

Let me know if their is anyway around this, and if not, I just need feedback! Thanks! :) :love:

Not really! There is some wiggle room.

 

In my opinion go with what makes you happy.

 

If you're interested I can name a few of the wiggle theories.

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You can roleplay as whatever you want! Just know that some players will be more accepting of your character than others if you choose to make them a WHM.

I find it less that and more a question of power.

 

A lot of RP involves problems or danger. A very powerful character like a white mage ends up being inappropriate for some types of RP. However for other types it's perfect. Can't please everyone.

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You'll find in any RP setting there's a segment of the population that attempt to be total lore purists, and a segment that are okay with varying degrees of separation from lore if it seems fun and reasonable and isn't hurting anybody.

 

The former declare, "My immersion! You're ruining my immersion! Rabble rabble rabble!"

 

The latter declare, "I pay the same sub fee you do! You aren't the boss of me and how I choose to have fun! Rabble rabble rabble!"

 

My advice is, therefore: Decide in advance whether or not you want to be a part of group 1. If not, then don't worry about it. If so, then definitely don't be a White Mage ICly.

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You could RP the White Mage archetype without actually accepting the title. That seems to work for some folks.

 

If you were caught using a spell particular to that type of magic wouldn't you automatically be given the label regardless of if you wanted it?

 

If I RP as a Thaumaturge and use my own Aether for spells I'm not a BLM particularly. The second I draw Aether from my surroundings to power my spells a good number of people would probably be at my throat calling me a Black Mage regardless if I considered myself one.

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You'll find in any RP setting there's a segment of the population that attempt to be total lore purists, and a segment that are okay with varying degrees of separation from lore if it seems fun and reasonable and isn't hurting anybody.

 

The former declare, "My immersion! You're ruining my immersion! Rabble rabble rabble!"

 

The latter declare, "I pay the same sub fee you do! You aren't the boss of me and how I choose to have fun! Rabble rabble rabble!"

 

My advice is, therefore: Decide in advance whether or not you want to be a part of group 1. If not, then don't worry about it. If so, then definitely don't be a White Mage ICly.

 

Pretty much this. Depending on how you RP will open up, or lock you out, of certain folks who play in their own way.  What matters mostly is are you having fun?

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White Mage is tricky, but the important thing to keep in mind is that in XIV? White Mage refers to a specific job, and not in the PVE sense. White Mages are the guardians of the Twelveswood, sworn defenders and trusted allies of the Elementals that inhabit the woods. It does not mean you are a super powerful healer! It means you've got access to Succor, which is just... different healing. It's perfectly possible and feasible to play an omnipotent healer person without needing the WHM abbreviation.

 

At the end of the day, the questions comes down to "Do I want to play a good healer?" or "Do I want a defined role and cool robe?"

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Let me know if their is anyway around this, and if not, I just need feedback! Thanks! :) :love:

 

RP how you would like to, there are several IC WHMs out there in the world. There are a few ways to bend the lore to become one, just it can be a bit tricky. Firstly, your character could've only become a white mage within the last 5 years. There's a distinct timeline cutoff there in lore if you're trying to stay lore abiding. Secondly, white mages are relatively unknown to everyone outside the Twelveswood, and more exclusively outside the Padjal. The 1600 year-dead art was kept a closely guarded secret. So most people out in the world shouldn't know what a white mage is in the first place. You can either see that as a reason against why your character shouldn't know white magic, or you can take it as a way to disguise your white mage as powerful conjury.

 

Alternatively, your character could just be an actual Conjurer. Apart from the lore-stickiness, very few people seem to be able to tell the difference, though White Mages have access to an entirely different magical art called Succor, which is not anything like Conjury. However, a White Mage can only control succor within their abilities of a conjurer first. Seeing as how you must have been a conjurer per lore to even be able to control succor, many people opt to go the route as Fane Conjurers who for whatever reason are taught to become White Mages by the Padjal or from a soulstone found in Amdapor.

 

I've set up a Compilation Post on Conjurer and White Mage Lore that has links to several lore sources on various topics pertaining to Conjury, White Magic, Hearers, Elementals, etc. Hopefully that can help answer your questions and maybe gauge how best to proceed with your character design. ^^

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You could RP the White Mage archetype without actually accepting the title. That seems to work for some folks.

 

If you were caught using a spell particular to that type of magic wouldn't you automatically be given the label regardless of if you wanted it?

 

If I RP as a Thaumaturge and use my own Aether for spells I'm not a BLM particularly. The second I draw Aether from my surroundings to power my spells a good number of people would probably be at my throat calling me a Black Mage regardless if I considered myself one.

 

Then don't use that spell in RP. There is also the fact that most people who aren't trained in the use of Conjury or White Magic shouldn't be able to tell the difference.

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IMO there is very little that being a WHM is going to add to your narrative that you can't accomplish with a CNJ and you'll just get a boatload of dirty looks for essentially no reason. CNJ's are strong as hell and have access to most of the class abilities.

 

Pretty much this. However there's really nothing stopping you from doing it if you really want to, MissMizzy. Some people won't like it and I want to stress they're more than allowed to feel that way as well but at the end of the day it's YOUR character, RP as you like! You're going to find a lot of people who will care but just as many who won't. :)

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Having chosen myself to play a character very close to the Twelveswood and conjury, and knowing that I don't generally like to twist the lore when there is no real reason to do it, and here as said above, the only thing I would gain from a WhM perspective would be basically to be privy of the tiny circle of padjals protecting the Shroud... For what? Succor and the elemental healing?

 

Also, I prefer to play a generally modest character which I find more interesting, without tying me too much to the Twelveswood at the same time...

 

I can even still say that the character can hear the elementals too since it can also be a gift to non padjal characters...

 

So yeah, I would think I actually lose a lot by trying to stand out as one of the handful of WhM in the world rather than playing my own little conjurer that have access to most of the same RP anyway...

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You don't have to RP as your PvE job, lore and that is one thing and if you want to follow it to the tooth then WHM is not an alleyway that's recommendable to take a stroll through, but you really don't have to change what you do for PvE just because you want to RP as something else. One of my alts is an IC conjurer, but OOCly I've only leveled her up to 50 as a bard, because I like the clothing bard has access to more so than robes. People don't walk up to her and call her a bard just because they can see that on her search info. Segregating your class/job from character opens up to a lot more creativity and possibilities, in my opinion ^^ 

Either way there's no shame in whatever you want to pick, you just need to be aware that your choices will attract different crowds :)

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Go for it!

 

Many people will accept whatever you want to play and rationalise it in their own way. Good RP trumps lore correctness I would say.

 

I would make the WhiteMage something you are, rather than just play "I am a Whitemage". That way people can relate to you rather than the job/class. So aside from the Whitemage bits, what is your story, what do you love and hate, what are the good things in your past and what are the bad. What is it you are seeking now.. have a goal other than being a  whitemage.

 

Those that say you ruin their immersion should probably avoid open MMOs, we all have control of what we take from the RP and how we rationalise it. I'll say again, I value good RP interaction and story over lore strictness.

 

Have fun.

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This question keeps cropping up and my question to the asker is the same every time:

 

Why does the character NEED to be a White Mage specifically?

 

The purpose or end goal of a roleplayer's decisions about what traits/abilities/weaknesses to give a character -- and whether or not they make sense within the scope of what's commonly possible in the game's universe -- is typically my concern.

 

If you're anything like me, I try to think of why the character needs to be special to such a degree. And why I can't just find a way to creatively and logically work around any lore that may not be all that inclusive to what I want to do. If I can't justify the specialness with a reason other than "well, that would be awesome", then I feel like it makes the trait an empty one and doesn't add much to the character. It ends up coming off as vapid, not interesting.

 

Disclaimer: None of this is to say that if you just want your character to be cool and special, that you can't. I won't police you about that. Do as you like. Everything stated above is just the process that I typically use for creating a character concept.

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I think there is lots of wiggle room for being a white mage as through the story the Padjals grow more and more accepting of breaking traditions. I won't give any further details in case spoilers or soomesuch.

I've seen many people roleplay white mages and I seldom see them causing trouble with lore. As others have stated there will be some that have a problem with it but there's people who have a problem with anything. In my opinion so long as you're not blowing up Eorzia or RPing a "god-tier" character you're likely not going to run into many if any problems. 

 

RPing a white mage does bend lore a tiny bit but I don't think it's enough that you should worry about it.

 

Take it from someone who RP'd a white mage for quite some time. I never ran into any problems in my time RPing that character.

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I really want to be a White Mage, but apparently the lore staits only Pajald can be and they are then isolated for using such magic. But you can become a white mage in game as what you are and that...

 

So do I really have to give up becoming one and switch my characters class/job activities so I can RP with her??

 

Let me know if their is anyway around this, and if not, I just need feedback! Thanks! :) :love:

 

Honestly, I think it mostly depends on the people that you have around you in your everyday RP. See what they're comfortable with and that they would feel to be acceptable in their interpretations of the lore and such. As you've noticed, the topic can get a bit divisive. :)

 

Though as was also mentioned, don't feel like you need to have your IC job the same as what you play.

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Nothing is impossible, do as you wish. 

 

It is also worth noting that there IS another way to become a White Mage other than bowing down to the Elementals. We just don't know exactly what it is yet. Just that Koji Fox said it, and that he described the method as "nefarious" when he spoke of it. Yar.

 

There are other NPC WHMs running around out there with zero apparent connection to the Shroud (Y'shtola comes to mind). We can only hope to be illuminated as to what the deal is with non-shroud WHMs in the near-ish future. Yar.

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Nothing is impossible, do as you wish. 

 

It is also worth noting that there IS another way to become a White Mage other than bowing down to the Elementals. We just don't know exactly what it is yet. Just that Koji Fox said it, and that he described the method as "nefarious" when he spoke of it. Yar.

 

There are other NPC WHMs running around out there with zero apparent connection to the Shroud (Y'shtola comes to mind). We can only hope to be illuminated as to what the deal is with non-shroud WHMs in the near-ish future. Yar.

But Y'shtola is just a CNJ. An especially good one, mind you, especially

 

 

when she is back from the Lifestream, gaining a few exclusive spells

 

 

but still a CNJ, nonetheless.

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Why does the character NEED to be a White Mage specifically?

 

Since the jury is obviously still out on lore compliancy, I think you might have an easier time if you look at your dilemma from a character-construction standpoint, OP.

 

Start with Kismet's question while taking into account the other character-development based pointers from people on the first page, and see how far you get.

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I must disagree. She uses Holy before ever entering the Lifestream, her shieldy thing is a WHM ability now, and lastly the production notes given to the VAs list her as a WHM specifically.

 

Actually, she uses...

 

 

Flow. The precursor to Teleport/Return. In fact, the use if it was literally why she was in the Lifestream in the first place.

 

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