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Stormblood FATE spoilers, potentially.

 

 

The "Foxy Lady" boss FATE in Yanxia has a giant nine-tailed fox boss named Tamamo-no-Gozen, likely named after both Tamamo-no-Mae and Tomoe Gozen.

 

 

 

 

As stated, I had this name near the beginning of Heavensward. I was ecstatic to finally get some form of Tamamo ears tho.

 

Also, could people stop shit talking my friend that I'm having the debate with? Yeesh.

Maybe next time try not to give the impression they are an asshole.

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Stormblood FATE spoilers, potentially.

 

 

The "Foxy Lady" boss FATE in Yanxia has a giant nine-tailed fox boss named Tamamo-no-Gozen, likely named after both Tamamo-no-Mae and Tomoe Gozen.

 

 

 

 

 

As stated, I had this name near the beginning of Heavensward. I was ecstatic to finally get some form of Tamamo ears tho.

 

Also, could people stop shit talking my friend that I'm having the debate with? Yeesh.

 

Maybe next time try not to give the impression they are an asshole.

 

I didn't. She's the best kitty. In fact, I gave no impressions of her. I only posted our chat log. If anything, I come off as abrasive, not her.

 

 

Can I call you Tomato?

 

 

Sure. Lol.

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There was no context provided that this was your friend. And to be quite honest people on the RPC are going to be a little protective of one of their own community. From what we saw it was some rando-harassing you. And yes their comments were a bit aggressive themself which is why people came to your defense. You can't expect us to know this without the information being given. The original tone of the post before you added in the conversation lead people to believe that you were being attacked for your character's name. Then later the convo was added without further context; so people are naturally going to think it's a random person just coming up to you. Further people have been quite reserved; I don't think anyone did anything but criticize the situation for what it was known to us; a situation.

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Do you people who have 'issues' with OP's name also have issues with people being named Jesus or Mohamed, or Moses too?

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...now I'm imagining someone playing a Highlander with a beard and the long-hair-and-headband look, with tanned skin, wearing a white robe, named Jesus Muhammad, roleplayed as totally counter to the two theologies (a partying lech who loves the Quicksand and everything it stands for), and I can't decide if that's the worst idea or the best idea.

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...now I'm imagining someone playing a Highlander with a beard and the long-hair-and-headband look, with tanned skin, wearing a white robe, named Jesus Muhammad, roleplayed as totally counter to the two theologies (a partying lech who loves the Quicksand and everything it stands for), and I can't decide if that's the worst idea or the best idea.

 

Well, one of those two figures is known for...actually, it's probably best I not finish that statement.

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Op. Do not roleplay with people who have problem with your caracters name. You can bet your tail if they ever get over it, they find another equally pointless thing to complain about.

 

...I thouht your characters name was Mae :D

As in "Clan name/hometowns name/surname"-no-"given name/first name". I mean, thats how you read those, riiiht? Izumo no Okuni, Abe no Seimei... etc.

 

If everyone is as lazy as me, go read Otoyomegatari to get inspired for Xaela. Also there shall never be situation where Abraham Lincoln is not good name. Like how meta, there is biblical layer beneath historical person layer.

 

Stay cool and good day to yall!

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What your character decides to call herself is what your character decides to call herself.  Maybe she just had parents that had a thing for kitsune?

 

If anyone complains, tell them exactly that and to take it ICly.

 

There shouldn't really be a debate over it it's lore abiding because in the end, it doesn't matter. 

As an example we have some really screwed up names in the real world that are no more or less valid. 

 

Just be prepared for some IC push back about the name at that point.

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With the context finally given throughout the later pages of the thread, I wouldn't say the name is lore breaking. It's just ... Mary sue I guess? But whether or not that's a problem is for only you to decide. It's your money spent to name change or Fantasia, and even your own subscription, so don't worry too much about what other people think unless you really care about appealing to them. I can promise you more than half the people you'll roleplay with won't give a crap if you were named Heartjoker Bloodynoses, icly or not.

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Wa-wa-wait...

 

People are calling you off for having the same name as a NPC?

 

Lol! Like if it's impossible to have duplicates.

 

It's not an issue really. At best is a thing to add up in your RPing!

 

Even the highlander ingame name generator can name you Lyse.

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With the context finally given throughout the later pages of the thread, I wouldn't say the name is lore breaking. It's just ... Mary sue I guess?

 

That's not what that word means.

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With the context finally given throughout the later pages of the thread, I wouldn't say the name is lore breaking. It's just ... Mary sue I guess?

 

That's not what that word means.

 

Mary Sue... not the best name for a char tbh.

 

:)

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With the context finally given throughout the later pages of the thread, I wouldn't say the name is lore breaking. It's just ... Mary sue I guess?

 

That's not what that word means.

 

A xaela named after a ooc fox spirit is a pretty oocly idealised thing, if you ask me. Which is the definition of a Mary sue. But these are all just opinions, not facts.

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With the context finally given throughout the later pages of the thread, I wouldn't say the name is lore breaking. It's just ... Mary sue I guess?

 

That's not what that word means.

 

A xaela named after a ooc fox spirit is a pretty oocly idealised thing, if you ask me. Which is the definition of a Mary sue. But these are all just opinions, not facts.

 

Conversely, I think naming someone after someone famous is just... normal. As I think it was mentioned earlier, wouldn't we all be Mary Sues if we have names from the bible? All your Joshuas and Johns and (literal) Marys are "Mary Sues" in this case.

 

I lean towards Mary Sue-ism being less about the name of the character and more about the character itself in its abilities and forced importance onto the scene they are in. What their name is? Not so much. It could be an indicator of a Sue (comedic example: Maximum Edgelord McDeathmaster), but not always.

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With the context finally given throughout the later pages of the thread, I wouldn't say the name is lore breaking. It's just ... Mary sue I guess?

 

That's not what that word means.

 

A xaela named after a ooc fox spirit is a pretty oocly idealised thing, if you ask me. Which is the definition of a Mary sue. But these are all just opinions, not facts.

 

Conversely, I think naming someone after someone famous is just... normal. As I think it was mentioned earlier, wouldn't we all be Mary Sues if we have names from the bible? All your Joshuas and Johns and (literal) Marys are "Mary Sues" in this case.

 

I lean towards Mary Sue-ism being less about the name of the character and more about the character itself in its abilities and forced importance onto the scene they are in. What their name is? Not so much. It could be an indicator of a Sue (comedic example: Maximum Edgelord McDeathmaster), but not always.

 

Yeah, I don't think that one thing would title an entire character as a sue. Calling it a possible indicator is well-said. However, I suppose where the biblical name comparison doesn't quite match up is in that biblical names were bread and butter generic from the start and still are today, while you might be hard pressed to find someone who would go out of their way to name their child after the mythical fox spirit in real life, something like Amaterasu; commonality, I guess? Doesnt mean someone would never have done it, of course. Hard to describe.

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With the context finally given throughout the later pages of the thread, I wouldn't say the name is lore breaking. It's just ... Mary sue I guess?

 

That's not what that word means.

 

A xaela named after a ooc fox spirit is a pretty oocly idealised thing, if you ask me. Which is the definition of a Mary sue. But these are all just opinions, not facts.

 

Conversely, I think naming someone after someone famous is just... normal. As I think it was mentioned earlier, wouldn't we all be Mary Sues if we have names from the bible? All your Joshuas and Johns and (literal) Marys are "Mary Sues" in this case.

 

I lean towards Mary Sue-ism being less about the name of the character and more about the character itself in its abilities and forced importance onto the scene they are in. What their name is? Not so much. It could be an indicator of a Sue (comedic example: Maximum Edgelord McDeathmaster), but not always.

 

Yeah, I don't think that one thing would title an entire character as a sue. Calling it a possible indicator is well-said. However, I suppose where the biblical name comparison doesn't quite match up is in that biblical names were bread and butter generic from the start and still are today, while you might be hard pressed to find someone who would go out of their way to name their child after the mythical fox spirit in real life, something like Amaterasu; commonality, I guess? Doesnt mean someone would never have done it, of course. Hard to describe.

 

As someone who has met people named Aphrodite, Thor, Morrigan, and other such diety based names I would beg to differ. I'd actually be surprised if someone hasn't at all be named after said fox spirit irl. I really see no issue with it being used, then again my character's name is Emrys. It's an actual celtic name, but it is also associated with Merlin. As has been stated if we avoid using these names well... we're just needlessly limiting ourselves. There is nothing lore breaking about the OP's name as it fits the Doman/Raen conventions and since it existed before the SB mention of it I see no issue why any would say otherwise.

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Hahaha or those parents that name their kids after royalty: Victoria, Elizabeth, James. Fucking Mary Sues.

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Someone tell this guy he's not allowed to have that name, it's not canon for Earth.

 

...really, I don't ever sweat people who complain about non-compliant names. People can call themselves whatever they want, in real life or in fake ones.

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I.... well... at least he decided to go with the flow of his name. That is a wizard approved beard.

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Oh, and as far as sharing names:

 

I know of at least one NPC named Osric, someone PM Melkire and tell him he's illegal now.

 

Or go read about the time some guy on twitter named @mikepence got chewed out during the election cycle because they thought he was @mike_pence or the lawer guy named Donald Trump down in Texas or something who gets hate mail.

 

One Steve Limit, people.

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Personally, I say the only real no no as far as naming goes is to use the name of a character from the Final Fantasy series. That's usually frowned upon.

That..is actually quite ironic considering Final Fantasy has been reusing names since the second one came out.

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Oh, and as far as sharing names:

 

I know of at least one NPC named Osric, someone PM Melkire and tell him he's illegal now.

 

It's actually become a huge... well, not problem, but just a thing? In the xaela RP community I'm familiar with. Like, there are only so many resources online about 15th century Mongolian names.

 

Which leads to things like that FATE where 3 out of 4 of the NPCs share first names with RPers I know (Altani, Anarba, Sokhatai)... the fact that literally every second xaela NPC in the Steppes has a name I recognise from roleplay (seriously, I know of at least two Cirina's dating back before 4.0)... or the multiple roleplayers named with small variations on Altani / Arslan / Koko / etc etc. in general. Hell, even with my character's name being a bastardisation of a regular noun and not a "real name", I've still seen another RPer with a recognisably similar name (their Aghul, my Aghurlal).

 

It's just a thing. People using the same resources will come up with ideas inspired by the same knowledge - it's more stark in the xaela community because of the lack of resources, but it's a thing everywhere.

 

TL;DR if repeating names (from other players or from NPCs) was forbidden, the xaela RP community would be screwed.

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See from my point of view it is just amusing when a npc crops up that has the same npc as a person you know. You share it with them, you both laugh, and you move on from it. It really isn't that big of a deal. The xaela ones were the most amusing by far because there are so many shared and not all of them the same gender. But again it's just the same thing. Share a screenshot and a laugh and move on. Especially when a lot of people use the random name generator in the character creator for Xaela and Raen you are bound to have A LOT of cross over. My first raen character shared the same last name as the raen from the ninja quest, I didn't know it when I chose it but it happened. Why? Because I used the random name button in creation and SE probably pulls from that very same list when creating NPCs.

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Having five people with the same lore appropriate name is better than having 5 Johns, 2 Marys, 3 Steves, or any other number of boring uncreative names. If that character has that name for a reason sure, but those names aren't even backed by visible lore in most cases unless they are a shortening of a more elaborate name or a reference to a real world pop culture subject (and even in those cases could still be a shortening of a longer name).

 

In the same instance, if you have a name that would better match another race? Just make an appropriate story to help you solidify the idea. A name that fits into the world, and is creative, will always be better received than a name that matches nothing, or isn't well thought out. If you like a name of a character from another final fantasy, I say go for it, but have the appropriate foundation to work that character as someone only inspired by, and not directly coming from the other games.

 

I guess this is a harsh stance, but I think it is better to set a standard to work from, and if you deviate and have a good foundation, go for it. I don't write characters off entirely based off names, but I admit seeing a name which plain stands out as something someone insisted on keeping before or after actually researching lore, does alert me to have caution.

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