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Is my story concept lore-friendly?

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Hi :3 I'm a relatively new player to FFXIV (First time on these forums) and I fell in love with Coerthas, I like the medieval theme, the music, and the rich amount of strife and conflict there. 

Despite being new, I have spent more time looking up lore than leveling so far as well as making a few friends who have deep knowledge of it. 

They told me this would work but I am still not confident, I would appreciate it if I could get either some reassurance or tough love on whether it is acceptable or no:

The main character in this story is an Ishgardian Elezen named Fleurent de Gisoreux but I’m not sure its a good name and might change it. Fleurent is a knightly and very martial lesser noble of a small house who has long since disagreed with the ishgardian justice system and eventually goes against it. He does this in a similar vein as dark knights however without dark arts. (He does sort of what Haurchefant does in the MSQ) Fleurent is then witch hunted for his interference but before he is caught he leaves Ishgard entirely to become an adventurer and continues following his own sense of justice.

He would adventure to many lands and take part in numerous conflicts, eventually joining the Eorzean Alliance in Carteneau and miraculously surviving the bloodshed that followed. In the wake of the calamity, Fleurent did his best to help whoever he could but he soon felt the need to return home. In Ishgard, he would redeem himself in the eyes of the holy see on the field of battle as he aided the Ishgardian war effort against the Dravanian horde.

After some time and various displays of rekindled faith and martial courage he was permitted to return to his lands and resume his life in Ishgard. Despite his heroics, Fleurent was still disliked by nearby nobility and the enemies he has made did not forget… 

Mixed race relationships are frowned upon in many, if not most places, let alone ishgard...but although ishgardian nobility would never take part in such contemptuous behavior, this knightly noble was an adventurer for many years. This eventually helped in giving Fleurent a different perspective on things and he was already a bit of an oddity compared to his counterparts even before he left.

During his adventuring days he fell in love with a Miqo’te refugee and had promised to one day take both the woman and her daughter off the streets of poverty. Fleurent had the pair brought to his land in Ishgard where he and the lady embraced a secret love life. To the people who knew, the Miqo’te maidens were naught but two lowly servants he bizarrely picked up during his adventures. Only a few would know of their existence and even less so his secret...

If this is deemed acceptable then I would like to expand this story and write in greater detail. 

I wanted to create a situation that made playing a Miqo'te character in Ishgard plausible but with consequences. This seems very controversial so can someone please give me either reassurance or tough love?

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It sounds fine to me. The concept and reasoning have been thought out and I don't see any glaring issues with what's written above.

 

One pitfall may be that this has a lot of backstory generation and I'd wonder what and where the RP hooks are for other characters to get invested and vice versa. Are there any motivations or shot/long-term goals that you could elaborate on for your character? (Or perhaps that could be where some of the disconnect is.) Are you planning to play off of Fleurent's story with this backstory in place? Or one of the Miqo'te? (or a combo. Multiple characters is fine by many afaik, as long as you aren't like, trying to RP multiple characters at once in a given scene).

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Thank you very much for commenting, you present a few pretty important questions.  I left many things out because I feel like I need to know if what I have so far is lore friendly and enough to justify a Miqo'te in Ishgarde before I proceed. If this part doesn't work then I fear I may have to start over and abandon my Ishgardian esque glamour 😢

 

I don't have the rest of Fleurent's story written out yet but what I wrote originally is the bulk of his history and ends 1-3 years after the calamity. The rest of his story will involve the events of Heaven sword including the changes in the Holy See and Ishgard rejoining the Eorzean Alliance. I want him to develop a bond with his lover's daughter, Lana, eventually becoming a father figure in her life. Lana would come to admire Fleurent greatly, sparked by his tales of adventure and seeing him return home in his knightly armor many times. Fleurent recognized her aspirations and over the years taught her swordsmanship and what he considered to be chivalrous ideals in secret. By the time of present day Eorzea however, the price of Fleurent's unorthodox behavior and affronts to fellow nobility/power figures would catch up to him and he was killed at midnight by assassins. Although both her and her mother would be devastated by the murder, Lana would take up Fleurent's arms and armor, swearing to continue his legacy and bring glory to his name. 

 

Lana is the character that I Intend to RP as, she will be an amateur adventurer trying to follow in Fleurent's footsteps, learn from her mistakes, and stay true to a set of ideals and sense of justice. A devout albeit slightly clumsy seeker of justice when she is armored up and a shy, curious, and slightly endearing lady when she is in everyday wear.  She will have learned a flair of Ishgardian culture, and enjoys reading since she spent a lot of time doing so. She is also a believer in Halone, the revered matron deity of Ishgard and to a lesser extent a believer in Menphina who her mother still exalts.

 

Fleurent is such an integral part of Lana's story that his own has to be solid I feel. I still need to choose a name for Lana's mother, who is also Fleurent's secret lover. I do not intend to play as her however at some point she will try to work in a bakery( or something of the sort/cooking skills) and Lana might offer friends some of her mother's food once in a while. 

Please understand all of this is a huge w.i.p. and I am determined to fix it to be lore friendly if there are issues. 🙂

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Random folk you meet who are really hard up about lore are not going to RP with Miqo'te Ishgardian nobility no matter how many hours your pour into it. It's just their choice. It's best to find those you already know who are okay with more bendy concepts and go from there. If you're trying to make those contacts then be as up front with what you're trying to create as possible so everyone is on the same lore page when you start RPing together.

In short, create what you like and be honest and open about it. Those who are into it will RP with you. Those that aren't generally politely abstain.

Additionally, I'd sit tight for about a month and wait for the new lorebook. I suspect we'll get a nice big exposition dump involving Ishgard and the effects of the House of Lords and Commons and socioeconomic state of Ishgard and any demographic changes.


 

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Thanks for the comment, as saddening as that is to hear. In my defense however, as far as anyone is concerned, Lana and her mother have been nothing but lowly servants.  Nothing more until recently Lana officially became more akin to an apprentice or follower at best than of any sort of nobility.

 

That's a fine suggestion, the new lore book may have some good information.

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I think it's more of a "it doesn't matter how well written and/or justified a thing may be, there will be people who won't jive with it just because" kinda thing. 

 

A concept or backstory can be super lore compliant and great and detailed, but the nature of RP is there will be those who want to interact and those who do not. Focussing on trying to appease the latter is usually a bad time for everyone, so I'd work with the former instead! And that's where your RP hooks would come in. It's not particularly something you need to list out and draw attention to, but what aspects of your characters do you want to develop as they're RPed? Or what about them would get another character to interact with them? Are they talkative? Would they approach someone at random? Is there something they're doing that would cause a scene or draw attention to them? 

 

A well-developed backstory is really nice, but the thing about a backstory is that it's already happened. What's going on in the present that will help establish bonds between your characters and other people's characters? Those are the types of questions I'd be asking myself. 

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You make a fair point but I still think having a lore compliant backstory is important because your background might determine your characters experiences and likes/dislikes and other things that you can still use in real time interactions. That is just my opinion though, after I can feel secure in my concept then I will focus everything on what can help establish bonds as you talked about as well as walk up RP and character progression moving forward. 

 

Edit: Thinking about it more, I see a lot of truth to what you and Teadrinker have said about trying to appeal to everyone. I'll try not to but still, i am determined to have a friendly story.

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Hi, lore nazi here.

 

I compliment you on doing what I've probably never seen up til now. You're very much aware of what would miqo'te nobility imply (impossible) and you found very good workarounds in my view. Your elezen father figure is the pillar of all of this and it works well. 

 

The idea that there is no miqo'te in Ishgard is patently untrue. Nobility though, yes, indeed, probably. Even midlanders aren't portrayed much in ishgardian nobility, or mostly as servants or lower vassals and tenants, but rarely as direct lineage. This is why the fact that your elezen father figure has unorthodox ways and views allows you to cement your little family in the nobility. His exile makes him pickup up refugees of another race without breaking any suspension of disbelief and just confirms him into a big eccentric. His return eventually with his family and covering them under mere maids/servants is perfectly fine (I suppose some bad gossip could happen eventually). The guy is already a weirdo to most upstanding ishgardian citizens so... Using as part of his staff 2 miqo'te would just add a confirmation into many eyes that he's a lunatic employing lesser races and whatnot.

 

Once he dies of course, your 2 miqo'te are probably going to get into a lot of trouble. Who will protect them? Who will feed them? They won't inherit of the house or any nobility status and resources. They might still get sympathy and help from a few house tenants and contacts that for some reason might have taken a fancy into them, but more likely that none, they would probably quickly get tossed in the street by the people with the real power. I think however that the Brume is a fine compromise. They wouldn't be the first "dregs" of the nobility fallen into disgrace and dumped into the Brume because they just have no other choice (see Hilda for example). 

 

I think you might also have to consider how grave are the father "sins". What kind of witch hunt was it? Just some annoyed noble bigots on his ass, with the occasional temple knight sent to investigate for various foul reasons, or the full inquisition? Why did he leave Ishgard to go venturing? Just because he said "fuck that noise"', or because he was forced to? How did he get allowed back after his antics with the eorzean alliance and Carteneau? If he didn't really got booted for serious reasons, then I don't see a problem, but then, why would the authorities welcome back an exile? It's possible of course but you would have to find a reason. Since you spoke about him redeeming himself by battling the Horde, might I suggest taking a look on the Convictory? It's in my mind a very convenient excuse: it's a group hunting the Horde without any care for people's backgrounds and deeds. As long as they manage to kill even one dragon (not a small deed), they're already seen by most Ishgard as worthy of social ascension. 

 

And in what state was his house after such a long absence? Did he use his venturing spoils to revitalize it?

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Thank you so much for posting Valence, your words gave me a lot of hope! You also understand precisely what I'm trying to accomplish. 

 

I understand that Ishgard society has forever been harsh, discriminatory, and unwelcoming to outsiders with truly powerful nobility being almost solely comprised of Elezen as you've mentioned but it is a huge nation. I feel that is it unreasonable for some to immediately dismiss the prospect of a Miqo'te living in Ishgard when there are in-game examples of Roegadyn being hired to serve houses and the NPC Sidurgu Orl, an Au Ra who if I am correct, sometimes hangs out in the city of Ishgard itself. 

 

Sidurgu is interesting to me in theory because from what I have read, he is a refugee who moved into Ishgard, and after a disastrous crime, was taken in and mentored by an Ishgardian knight in secret, the first Dark Knight. (I still need to play Heavensword personally so please correct me if I am wrong)

 

Fleurent being unorthodox is definitely one of the most important elements and i tried to present realistic consequences. I need to investigate how serious/ irredeemable it would be to have the full inquisition hunting you down but it would be enough that his own house,  as small as they may be, publicly disowns him. (This is subject to change) House Gisoreux would not take this decision lightly however and over time feel regret. Fluerent left Ishgard because he knew he would be given an unjust trial and likely be killed. He journeyed to lands far away with the belief he could do good in other parts of Eorzea that he couldn't back home.

 

Although a condemned man, he makes his reappearance in the middle a heated and desperate battle against Dravanians. He fights in a way that inspires Ishgardian troops and slays/helps to slay a significant foe, maybe a lesser dragon. This occurrence happens in a way that kind of makes it almost impossible to deny hearing Fleurence out, he boosts the moral of some of the men, and garners an overwhelming amount of witnesses of him killing Dravanians which would be used by him and his house to help to dispel the notion of him being a heretic. As an NPC in Camp Dragonhead named Belmont says "I tell you, the high and mighty around these parts don't even see in black and white. They see in "dragon" and "not dragon," you know of what I speak."

 

The question regarding the state of his house after he left is a very good one. I am thinking that House Gisoreux was never influential to begin with but started declining further after Fluerent was exiled, vaguely reminiscent of house Hallient's descent. Perhaps when Fluerent returns, he uses most of his earnings to help the house recover and more importantly regain their trust.

 

When Fleurent dies, the Miqo'te duo are indeed in a terrible situation. I think that the mother will be forced to Brume while Lana immediately begins her career as an adventurer. House Gisoreux is one of the few willing to employ the service of adventurers and sell-swords due to Fleurent's influence over the years but not to the extent of House Fortemps. For a time Lana will endeavor to serve Gisoreux in the hopes that they might take her mother and herself in again. When Lana eventually broadens her horizons to adventuring the whole of Eorzea, she will always be sending at-least half of what she makes to aid her mother and/or potentially Gisoreux one day. (pls give us ishgard/coerthas housing square enix)

 

When I created this post, I was not sure whether to create it here or on the official FFXIV lore forums so I posted it on both and I'm finding it increasingly more beneficial to this discussion if they were linked so all opinions and informative post can be seen. http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/378391-Is-my-story-lore-friendly

 

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Miqo'te living in Coerthas isn't even an assumption. We have examples of those, at least in 1.0. I don't really remember past that point though.

 

Precise demographics of Ishard: 

 

70% elezen

20% midlander hyur

10% "other"

 

 

Also keep in mind that when I mentioned the inquisition as one of the worst things, it's because it is. When they start to investigate around you or your house, it already smells really bad for you. If they find the smallest evidence of whatever fabricated (or true) claims, you'll get into serious trouble and this can lead you pretty fast to judiciary duels to defend your own life facing execution for heresy. 

 

This of course, is for Ishgard, the isolationist Elective Theocracy, not new Ishgard the eorzean Constitutional Republic, which is a huge religious and doctrinal mess (nobody and not even scholars know exactly what to do and what is the current dogmas supposed to be now, cf Scholasticate quests). 

 

 

Edit: on the matter of city housing, many roleplayers often tend to forget that all those housing wards, in all cities so far, are always specifically open to adventurers, and no one else. At least for residence, not for exerting your trade and affairs (vendors, tenants, retainers, janitors, or whatever staff is required to work the public infrastructure). They really are those expansive districts for the wealthy, with luxury pools and whatnot, and walled off to the poor and common rabble. I'm sure you can think of many analogies IRL of that thing.

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9 hours ago, Princess Cassandra said:

Sidurgu is interesting to me in theory because from what I have read, he is a refugee who moved into Ishgard, and after a disastrous crime, was taken in and mentored by an Ishgardian knight in secret, the first Dark Knight. (I still need to play Heavensword personally so please correct me if I am wrong)

 

The first DRK was Tryphaniel, from over 600 years ago. He was put on trial for killing a pedophile rapist.

 

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Sid is a Xaela from Othard, later raised and trained by Ompagne Deepblack.

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Yikes, the inquisition is pretty scary and serious business for sure, I will try to play on this when I write the story in greater length.

 

I'll try to memorize that population statistic, it may serve me well in the future!

 

I really want to see how Ishgard evolves, hopefully the upcoming lorebook sheds some light on this.

 

Thank you Kieron Lohengrin it seems I may have been misinformed or confused, this is a quote from the wiki: "Sidurgu was made to watch his parents die but before the sword could find his own neck, he was saved by the one who would become his master, the first of the dark knights." Maybe the person who wrote this meant the first of the Dark Knights as we know them today? ( I have heard that the original Dark Knights were a bit different than today's Dark Knights but I cannot be certain if this is true or not))

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Hey there! I was looking at this thread and let me first just say that I think it's a great idea you have for your character and I'm in agreement with most of what you've written so far. While from what I've seen Coerthas and Ishgard's populations as a whole are comprised of elezen and hyur, it's not unheard of to have other races make Ishgard their home such as Sidurgu. The backstory from what I've seen is solid and it's in my opinion perfectly feasible for Lana. From personal experience, there may be those who deny your idea mainly due to lore, but I'm not one of them. So if you're ever looking for someone to RP with, help get a feel for your character, I have an Ishgardian main who has also been at odds with the ways of Coerthas  and the Holy See who'd be glad to meet a like-minded individual. 

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Hey Lone Adventurer, thank you so much for your comment and I would love to meet your character sometime! I feel very bad about my late response, I apologize. I've been working on Lana's character sheet (I plan to update my 2 forum post one last time in a week or so) and have been busy with irl and some in-game matters. I'm happy you find my concept lore friendly thus far and I'd like to contact you in-game.

 

 

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Dont worry about it lol I understand. And I'd like to contact and meet you IG as well. My character is Alderyn Siegfred and I'm still making a character sheet for him myself though I am in the process of writing some stories about him. If you ever wanna hang out for RP or chat you can reach me here or IG!

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Awesome! My character's name is Lana'sae Mian, ( I intend to name change in the coming week or so after I have completed the sheet and found solutions to a couple of coding problems I'm facing) I am online a LOT but i'm forced to afk often as well and would appreciate it if you could add me sometime. If you add or whisper me when I am afk, I should be back in less than an hour and will reply asap.

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