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It doesn't come out and say that they don't have tribes, but at the very least it strongly implies that they either a) don't have tribes or b) their tribes aren't very important to them.

 

Depends what you mean by tribe I read that as there's nothing above local clans/villages/bands while the Seekers have group equivalents to say the Cherokee or Apache

 

I believe you both have a point. They seem to imply that Keepers are more clan-like. And a Keeper clan is made of 2 to 3 families. I guess it could be possible to classify a few families as a tribe? I don't know. I am not familiar with the true definition of tribe.

 

For Keepers, it would be clan/tribe then family within the clan/tribe as their means of identification.

 

For example: Kiht Jakkya is part of the Jakkya family within the Shriekshroom Clan. The clan is a small two-family clan.

 

Also, Keeper names are said to be very old. "It is said that some of these surnames have survived since the First Astral Era." -HRPC Wiki. If this is the case then there are likely many Keepers who share the same surname, but aren't part of the same immediate family or clan. The surname would simply indicate a shared, possibly ancient, ancestry.

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It doesn't come out and say that they don't have tribes, but at the very least it strongly implies that they either a) don't have tribes or b) their tribes aren't very important to them.

 

Depends what you mean by tribe I read that as there's nothing above local clans/villages/bands while the Seekers have group equivalents to say the Cherokee or Apache

 

I believe you both have a point. They seem to imply that Keepers are more clan-like. And a Keeper clan is made of 2 to 3 families. I guess it could be possible to classify a few families as a tribe? I don't know. I am not familiar with the true definition of tribe.

 

 

 

Tribe can mean many things it can be a broad ethnicity like the Cherokee or it can be the small village and everyone in it.

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It doesn't come out and say that they don't have tribes, but at the very least it strongly implies that they either a) don't have tribes or b) their tribes aren't very important to them.

 

Depends what you mean by tribe I read that as there's nothing above local clans/villages/bands while the Seekers have group equivalents to say the Cherokee or Apache

 

I believe you both have a point. They seem to imply that Keepers are more clan-like. And a Keeper clan is made of 2 to 3 families. I guess it could be possible to classify a few families as a tribe? I don't know. I am not familiar with the true definition of tribe.

 

I'm not an anthropologist, but I don't think there's a really good formal definition of "tribe", so I don't know if it makes sense to talk about the true definition of the word.

 

I personally like the idea of calling groups of Keeper families "clans" instead of "tribes", both because Keepers do seem more clannish than Seekers and because I like having a different word to refer to the (very distinctly different) Keeper social structure than the words used for Seeker social structures.

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I personally like the idea of calling groups of Keeper families "clans" instead of "tribes", both because Keepers do seem more clannish than Seekers and because I like having a different word to refer to the (very distinctly different) Keeper social structure than the words used for Seeker social structures.

 

 

Problem is that got used for the Seeker/Keeper break.

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This looks to be a wonderful initiative!

 

In setting up the FC thast I've been slowly working on I've used thee same idea of tribe -> sept.  My Sunchaser sept of the Zu are further broken down into prides.

 

Any wishing to read a tale about their background can find it here:

 

The People of the Wheel and Sun

 

Anything that I might be able to contribute in writing, just let me know.

Another Zu tribe person! *dies of shock* :bouncy:

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Oh my. This is starting to pick up lots of responses! It makes me happy <3 Work suddenly got busy for me, but I should soon be able to read through all of this and hopefully respond/edit things. Love you guys!

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This looks to be a wonderful initiative!

 

In setting up the FC thast I've been slowly working on I've used thee same idea of tribe -> sept.  My Sunchaser sept of the Zu are further broken down into prides.

 

Any wishing to read a tale about their background can find it here:

 

The People of the Wheel and Sun

 

Anything that I might be able to contribute in writing, just let me know.

Another Zu tribe person! *dies of shock* :bouncy:

 

Hello S'janna,

 

Yes I do see a few running about but rarely do that stop to chat.  So glad to meet you here!

 

If you would like to work together on Zu lore, and RP in-game sometime just let me know via tell, or email.   And if you have any lore items or topic suggestions that might fit on the Wayfinders or the Zu in general (as I use this site for our overall lore also), I'm all fuzzy ears! :P

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I personally like the idea of calling groups of Keeper families "clans" instead of "tribes", both because Keepers do seem more clannish than Seekers and because I like having a different word to refer to the (very distinctly different) Keeper social structure than the words used for Seeker social structures.

 

 

Problem is that got used for the Seeker/Keeper break.

 

How so?

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I personally like the idea of calling groups of Keeper families "clans" instead of "tribes", both because Keepers do seem more clannish than Seekers and because I like having a different word to refer to the (very distinctly different) Keeper social structure than the words used for Seeker social structures.

 

 

Problem is that got used for the Seeker/Keeper break.

 

How so?

 

 

When you start the game and make a Miqote it asks you to choose your character's clan which would be Keeper and Seeker.

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I personally like the idea of calling groups of Keeper families "clans" instead of "tribes", both because Keepers do seem more clannish than Seekers and because I like having a different word to refer to the (very distinctly different) Keeper social structure than the words used for Seeker social structures.

 

 

Problem is that got used for the Seeker/Keeper break.

 

How so?

 

 

When you start the game and make a Miqote it asks you to choose your character's clan which would be Keeper and Seeker.

 

Oh, that's right. That's an unfortunate use of the word.

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I personally like the idea of calling groups of Keeper families "clans" instead of "tribes", both because Keepers do seem more clannish than Seekers and because I like having a different word to refer to the (very distinctly different) Keeper social structure than the words used for Seeker social structures.

 

 

Problem is that got used for the Seeker/Keeper break.

 

How so?

 

 

When you start the game and make a Miqote it asks you to choose your character's clan which would be Keeper and Seeker.

 

Oh, that's right. That's an unfortunate use of the word.

 

Yeah that sucks. They should have used the word "kin", or something like that, in character creator. I think clan is not the best word for that.

 

I am still going to use the word clan for my Keeper's two-family group (I'm not the only one). If I am forced to get technical because of the word used in character creator then I will use the word sub-clan.

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Clan) a group of close-knit and interrelated families (esp. associated with families in the Scottish Highlands).

synonyms: group of families, sept;

family, house, dynasty, tribe;

 

 

Tribe) a social division in a traditional society consisting of families or communities linked by social, economic, religious, or blood ties, with a common culture and dialect, typically having a recognized leader.

"indigenous Indian tribes"

synonyms: ethnic group, people, band, nation; More

family, dynasty, house, clan, sept

"nomadic tribes of the Sahara"

 

(in ancient Rome) each of several political divisions, originally three, later thirty, ultimately thirty-five.

synonyms: ethnic group, people, band, nation; More

family, dynasty, house, clan, sept

"nomadic tribes of the Sahara"

informal

a large number of people or animals.

 

2.

Biology

a taxonomic category that ranks above genus and below family or subfamily, usually ending in -ini (in zoology) or -eae (in botany).

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Based on the definitions I would Argue that while the words are technically interchangeable, Tribe is more suited to seekers because of the large size of their groups. However, Keepers are supposed to keep to relatively small family groups and as such would fit into the idea of a clan more.

 

Also of note: The character creator says to pick your "clan" no matter what race you choose, so I don't think that is any implication on lore.

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Shiroe, *ahem* I mean LeCard, thank you for looking that up and bringing the info here. You're awesome.

 

I guess I could have looked that up myself, but, lazy.

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Shiroe, *ahem* I mean LeCard, thank you for looking that up and bringing the info here. You're awesome.

 

I guess I could have looked that up myself, but, lazy.

 

 

yay Log Horizon fans!

 

You may knee the strange man in the face. ;)

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Problem is that got used for the Seeker/Keeper break.

 

How so?

 

 

When you start the game and make a Miqote it asks you to choose your character's clan which would be Keeper and Seeker.

 

Oh, that's right. That's an unfortunate use of the word.

 

Yeah that sucks. They should have used the word "kin", or something like that, in character creator. I think clan is not the best word for that.

 

I am still going to use the word clan for my Keeper's two-family group (I'm not the only one). If I am forced to get technical because of the word used in character creator then I will use the word sub-clan.

 

 

There are indeed alot of translations in this game i find fairly odd. Botanist for example.

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There are indeed alot of translations in this game i find fairly odd. Botanist for example.

 

How so? I think it quite appropriate considering they study the plantlife and where/how it can be collected.

 

Botany) noun

 

the scientifics study of plant, including their physiology, structure, genetics, ecology, distribution, classification, and economic importance.

the plant life of a particular region, habitat, or geological period:

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There are indeed alot of translations in this game i find fairly odd. Botanist for example.

 

How so? I think it quite appropriate considering they study the plantlife and where/how it can be collected.

 

Botany) noun

 

   the scientifics study of plant, including their physiology, structure, genetics, ecology, distribution, classification, and economic importance.

   the plant life of a particular region, habitat, or geological period:

 

 

Yes vs someone who's job is to provide wood and various gathered foods.

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This looks to be a wonderful initiative!

 

In setting up the FC thast I've been slowly working on I've used thee same idea of tribe -> sept.  My Sunchaser sept of the Zu are further broken down into prides.

 

Any wishing to read a tale about their background can find it here:

 

The People of the Wheel and Sun

 

Anything that I might be able to contribute in writing, just let me know.

Another Zu tribe person! *dies of shock* :bouncy:

 

Hello S'janna,

 

Yes I do see a few running about but rarely do that stop to chat.  So glad to meet you here!

 

If you would like to work together on Zu lore, and RP in-game sometime just let me know via tell, or email.   And if you have any lore items or topic suggestions that might fit on the Wayfinders or the Zu in general (as I use this site for our overall lore also), I'm all fuzzy ears! :P

Sure, that'd be great! I was just talking the other day about how I'd wished I'd known about the Hipparions before rolling Janna up, just 'cause I'd like to have had a chance for more tribal stuffs. I actually have Janna's branch of the tribe as an offshoot of the main tribe, courtesy of an ambitious would-be nunh, so it makes things nice and open for working out lore stuffs. <3

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Hi there!  I'm actually the one that wrote up the Coeurl Tribe information (link is in my signature).  I -love- this idea and would definitely look forward to brainstorming with people about either the C' tribe or any other. =)  I love creating plausible fanon/headcanons.

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If I understand this thread correctly, we're posting tribes that we brilliant roleplayers set up?  If so, I can add the (apparently only tribe in existance) Aldgoat name on there.  There's only two of us that actually belong to it, some details worked out but nothing super extensive.  But we exist!  I swear there's only like three Aldgoat players on the damn server.  But that's okayyy, the tribe I have in mind is a little small anyway.

 

I would be happy to include any information you want to provide about your sept of the Aldgoat! You can write it up here, edit on the wiki, whatever you like. I'll do my best to include it in a convenient manner on the original post :love:

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I'm already rather happy about the amount of information that's been gathered. I'm gonna go with the whole Tribe > Sept > Breeding Group notion, for Seeker Tribes at least, since I haven't seen any objections to the proposal.

 

Also gonna work upon creating my own Sept, for whatever Tribe I decide that Anstarra belongs to... or maybe tie her in with someone else's! To be determined!

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As an aside, a breeding group is synonymous with a territory or hunting ground, as Seekers only have one nunh per such location, and securing new territory is the primary means by which "new" nunh positions are created (dev post). I think "sept" instead of subtribe does sound a lot better. :) Of course, some (many?) septs may only have one territory, in which case one might as well just refer to the group as those in a territory of a given tribe.

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As an aside, a breeding group is synonymous with a territory or hunting ground, as Seekers only have one nunh per such location, and securing new territory is the primary means by which "new" nunh positions are created (dev post). I think "sept" instead of subtribe does sound a lot better. :) Of course, some (many?) septs may only have one territory, in which case one might as well just refer to the group as those in a territory of a given tribe.

 

Indeed! Only the largest and most populous of septs could be expected to have multiple nunhs and thus breeding/hunting groups. By and large we can get by with Tribe and Sept alone. The third term is mainly useful, I expect, for large, well-developed player Tribes like the Hipparion Tribe on this site(which would in truth actually be like, major Septs in the global, all-encompassing Hipparion Tribe which would include players not directly tied to THEM) which might need sub-division within their ranks.

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As an aside, a breeding group is synonymous with a territory or hunting ground, as Seekers only have one nunh per such location, and securing new territory is the primary means by which "new" nunh positions are created (dev post). I think "sept" instead of subtribe does sound a lot better. :) Of course, some (many?) septs may only have one territory, in which case one might as well just refer to the group as those in a territory of a given tribe.

 

I don't think we can so easily say there is only one nunh per territory. Squeenix never explicitly states a rule on how many nunhs there are, save that "Depending on its size, a tribe may have multiple nunh (a ratio of one nunh per ten to fifty females is average)" - which is pretty broad. Lore also uses the term "tribe" when discussing a single territory, so it's entirely possible that there are multiple "breeding groups" (not actually a term used by Squeenix) within a single location.

 

The Hipparion Tribe, for example - or at least, our player-created, Sagolii-roaming section of it - maintains two-ish nunhs in the tribe. There have been times when that number has dropped to one, which is the case now as the one of their nunh is missing and no one else has yet stepped up to the plate, for various reasons. It's actually been a point of conflict for some of our members, who feel as though the tribe's future is at risk, having experienced a dramatic loss of life due to the Calamity.

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As an aside, a breeding group is synonymous with a territory or hunting ground, as Seekers only have one nunh per such location, and securing new territory is the primary means by which "new" nunh positions are created (dev post). I think "sept" instead of subtribe does sound a lot better. :) Of course, some (many?) septs may only have one territory, in which case one might as well just refer to the group as those in a territory of a given tribe.

 

I don't think we can so easily say there is only one nunh per territory. Squeenix never explicitly states a rule on how many nunhs there are, save that "Depending on its size, a tribe may have multiple nunh (a ratio of one nunh per ten to fifty females is average)" - which is pretty broad. Lore also uses the term "tribe" when discussing a single territory, so it's entirely possible that there are multiple "breeding groups" (not actually a term used by Squeenix) within a single location.

 

The Hipparion Tribe, for example - or at least, our player-created, Sagolii-roaming section of it - maintains two-ish nunhs in the tribe. There have been times when that number has dropped to one, which is the case now as the one of their nunh is missing and no one else has yet stepped up to the plate, for various reasons. It's actually been a point of conflict for some of our members, who feel as though the tribe's future is at risk, having experienced a dramatic loss of life due to the Calamity.

 

Oh, I know 'breeding group' isn't an official term. 'Sept', neither. Square-Enix only talks about Tribes as distinct affairs, as if all members are the same, but as we know in an mmo where each player can create their own story this is impossible! Thus the deliberate splicing into Septs, which are discrete sub-sections of a given tribe. Your player-created, Sagolii-roaming section of it is, per this definition, one of numerous potential Septs of the Hipparion Tribe. After all, you wouldn't come down on another player for coming around and saying 'I want MY Hipparion Tribe to be THIS way, not THEIR way', would you? No, they'd be creating their own Sept.

 

Below that, WITHIN a Sept we're positing another division, using the concept of the Nunh as being the defining characteristic. Each such group would be just called a Breeding Group. Maybe this isn't necessary, but it still functions, especially if females restrict themselves or are restricted to a single Nunh for breeding purposes. Now, if you tell me that in your sept the females can choose either nunh (assuming both were still around) then the notion of 'Breeding Groups' becomes irrelevant. In which case we can stick with our adopted term Sept and just be happy with it.

 

Again, for any who missed earlier parts of the discussion, 'Sept' is an unofficial term (adopted over the course of this thread) meaning 'Sub-Tribe', essentially, since we'll never get the entire player-base to agree on a single suite of characteristics - physical or otherwise - for any given Tribe.

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