Seriphyn Posted December 12, 2013 Share #1 Posted December 12, 2013 Referencing here So it seems the Garleans aren't completely gone, and I was wondering how that was going to work, considering we wasted the castrums in Operation Archon and yet there they were still standing in-game. I think it's a unique question for roleplayers. The city-state leaders arbitrarily declared the Seventh Astral Era (meaning the Seventh Umbral Era lasted...five years? Really?)...so which is it for us? When new roleplayers join, they'll be going through the story all over again, not that we really RP the story for obvious reasons, just the backstory it provides. But from an OOC perspective, we'd be 'spoiling' it for them if we RPed the ending as the new present time. When 2.1 is released, are we to assume Operation Archon took place? Did our characters take place in it (especially wondering for my character, who is a full-time 1st Brigade Immortal Flame)? Admittedly this is the first time I've RPed so long in these sorts of MMOs, I migrated from EVE where there is no main individual story but one massive ongoing story. Curious to hear what people think Link to comment
Whittledown Posted December 12, 2013 Share #2 Posted December 12, 2013 For Obsidian Hornet, she has had absolutely nothing to do with anything that has been apart of the plot. She's never fought a Primal. She has no particular beef with the Garleans. I prefer to think of the in game Story as completely apart from Hornet's RP. It's like how you can play Skyrim for 1000 hours and never pick up the primary questline. It's there sure, but it doesn't have anything to do with me. From what I've seen most RPers have been ignoring the plot presented as a part of the game. Link to comment
Seriphyn Posted December 12, 2013 Author Share #3 Posted December 12, 2013 Oh, sure, our characters might not have ever taken part in the story ourselves. But in the background, will Operation Archon be considered to have taken place come 2.1's release? Link to comment
Naunet Posted December 12, 2013 Share #4 Posted December 12, 2013 Yup, as per MMO story-vs-RP standards from past games, once a patch hits that progresses the story, all previous plot kicks in as having happened. So until the 17th, we continue to RP as though Castrum Meridianum and Praetorium have not been hit by the Scions. After the 17th... Well, I guess we have to stop referring to it as an Umbral age. It's extremely silly, but that's how these things are handled. 1 Link to comment
Whittledown Posted December 12, 2013 Share #5 Posted December 12, 2013 Oh! I'm sorry, I completely missed the boat on what you were saying there. Yeah, I would think if they establish through NPC's that the era is changed or do any modifications to the in game zones showing that Garlean outposts have been wasted I would think we would take that into account. 1 Link to comment
Tla Posted December 12, 2013 Share #6 Posted December 12, 2013 This is interesting, I had never considered RP present time and patches. Admittedly I never knew where the story was supposed to be at, for rp porpuse, in the other games I played. Good to know beforehand. Link to comment
LiadansWhisper Posted December 12, 2013 Share #7 Posted December 12, 2013 Referencing here So it seems the Garleans aren't completely gone, and I was wondering how that was going to work, considering we wasted the castrums in Operation Archon and yet there they were still standing in-game. I think it's a unique question for roleplayers. The city-state leaders arbitrarily declared the Seventh Astral Era (meaning the Seventh Umbral Era lasted...five years? Really?)...so which is it for us? When new roleplayers join, they'll be going through the story all over again, not that we really RP the story for obvious reasons, just the backstory it provides. But from an OOC perspective, we'd be 'spoiling' it for them if we RPed the ending as the new present time. When 2.1 is released, are we to assume Operation Archon took place? Did our characters take place in it (especially wondering for my character, who is a full-time 1st Brigade Immortal Flame)? Admittedly this is the first time I've RPed so long in these sorts of MMOs, I migrated from EVE where there is no main individual story but one massive ongoing story. Curious to hear what people think I'd already been assuming Operation Archon took place. I already played through the story, and exactly where were we supposed to stop along the way, eh? I mean, there's one period of time where it seems like several weeks or even months is supposed to have gone by in-game before we move on to the next part. Should we have stopped there? Or during the point where Titan is threatening Limsa? Or before Ifrit was resummoned? When exactly do we stop? So I waited to start RPing, really, until I finished out the storyline so I'd be able to see everything that happened, and have been playing with that knowledge. Besides, it's not as if you have to scream from the rooftops, "HEY GUYS WE BLEW UP THIS HERE CASTRUM" in order to play with the knowledge. It doesn't have to be an "in-your-face" thing. On an OOC note, I don't think they're going to make in-world changes, because that would bork the hell out of the final quests in the main storyline. Link to comment
Seriphyn Posted December 12, 2013 Author Share #8 Posted December 12, 2013 I think that's easily answered by Naunet's reply. EDIT: urgh, quoting is annoying. I meant "Where's the threshold?" question by Liadan. Each major content patch that advances the story, I'd say. Heck, Operation Archon would probably be taking place in the server downtime. Link to comment
LiadansWhisper Posted December 12, 2013 Share #9 Posted December 12, 2013 I think that's easily answered by Naunet's reply. EDIT: urgh, quoting is annoying. I meant "Where's the threshold?" question by Liadan. Each major content patch that advances the story, I'd say. Heck, Operation Archon would probably be taking place in the server downtime. I've never played that way, tbh. Current patch content has always been "what's going on right now." 1 Link to comment
Naunet Posted December 12, 2013 Share #10 Posted December 12, 2013 Heck, Operation Archon would probably be taking place in the server downtime. That's how I'd play it! I've never played that way, tbh. Current patch content has always been "what's going on right now." Illidan wasn't defeated until the following patch. The Lich King was not defeated and replaced by Bolvar until the Ruby Sanctum opened up. The undead Nefarian was not defeated until the patch that brought us the Firelands. Shandra Manaya, the Argon Queen, was not killed until the patch that ushered in a breaking of the Federation. Likewise, the assault on Castrum Meridianum and Praetorium does not happen until the Dec 17th patch. That's how I've always seen story handled by roleplayers in the past. Link to comment
LiadansWhisper Posted December 12, 2013 Share #11 Posted December 12, 2013 Illidan wasn't defeated until the following patch. But he was under siege during the patch itself. The Lich King was not defeated and replaced by Bolvar until the Ruby Sanctum opened up. But he was under siege the entire time before that, and actually, on the servers I was on, he was treated as "deafeated" the moment a guild actually took him out (which was extended by the different wings opening, but you could also argue that each wing opening progressively also advanced the story). The undead Nefarian was not defeated until the patch that brought us the Firelands. But he was under siege the entire time before that (and what about Cho'gall, or Sinestra, or Al'akir? All of that was going on, too!). And right now, during the Siege of Orgrimmar? Garrosh has been treated as "dead" and the Siege in "aftermath" since September 27 on Moon Guard (which is when the first guild killed him). No one is going to wait until the patch before the next expansion to deal with this. Shandra Manaya, the Argon Queen, was not killed until the patch that ushered in a breaking of the Federation. No idea who this is. Don't care. Likewise, the assault on Castrum Meridianum and Praetorium does not happen until the Dec 17th patch. This contains big spoilers for the storyline, so I am spoilering it. Then does that mean that everything else has been going on before that? Where do you pick and choose a point to stop? There is a massive amount of content before CM and Prae. When does Stone Vigil happen? What about Coerthas, or Cid returning, or the Waking Sands getting sacked? Has Gaius already made his ultimatum with (hue hue hue) Ultima? If so, have the Scions been rescued yet, or do we still believe they're dead? Exactly where are we stopping? Is it just CM and Prae? There seem to be in-game weeks that go by between your defeat of Titan and your rescue of the Scions in Mor Dhona. Are we supposed to wait until 2.1 to even acknowledge any of that? Because that seems, quite frankly, silly as hell. That's how I've always seen story handled by roleplayers in the past. We have had different experiences, obviously. Link to comment
Twinflame Posted December 12, 2013 Share #12 Posted December 12, 2013 The only place where this is really awkward is at the beginning of the game, before the first patch hits. It's best, until we start getting numerous patches, that we RP where 'most' RPers are, which I believe has been pre-50. Since none of our characters are the ones who fought the primals or really took part in any of the main story-line, this pretty much divides the times up into pre-Archon and post-Archon. We've been RPing in pre-Archon. (obviously if you've been RPing post-Archon, you're the exception, which is okay cause you RP how you want, but you likely will ahve come off as supernaturally prophetic to most folk on the server) With 2.1 hitting, we're going into post-Archon timeframe. I don't know what kind of in-world changes we can expect with patch 2.1. In WoW, content patches always changed the RP landscape in obvious ways. When they introduced the Coliseum in Northrend, for instance, people wanted to take part in the coliseum combat, so of course we RP'd that as current. When the Lich King was introduced, that patch was RP'd as current, and the Lich King wasn't defeated until the next patch was introduced (and yes, we did spend the entire patch laying siege to the Citadel), because the next patch moved on to other things and had NPCs acknowledging him as dead. That was our queue. In the current world in ARR, none of the NPCs are acknowledging that operation Archon has happened (at least, outside of the Waking Sands, which is phased specifically to you and doesn't count). In this coming patch, not only will we be running around a post-Archon world, but we'll be reacting to new events that did not exist pre-Archon. These new events will be current, and they will remain current until the next content patch lands. As long as Squee continues to advance content at the pace it looks like they're going to, it should be easy to keep everyone on the same page. This was an issue in TERA because we sat on the Argon War patch for an entire year, and eventually people wanted to RP the Argon Queen as having died even though the game's story hadn't progressed. The reverse is true for Rift, where patches hit so fast and hard they often out-strip RP (or so I imagine. I never RP'd being involved with the main plot there, but a content patch every single month!). I doubt we'll have either problem with ARR. EDIT: As far as where to draw the line, I've personally been drawing it just prior to operation Archon. This was easy because nobody would have much idea of the struggles between the Scions and the Primals. Those were all private. I guess it would be fair for people to be RPing preparations for Archon and battles against the Garleans. I don't think anyone would be surprised to find an RP playing that out. Link to comment
Naunet Posted December 12, 2013 Share #13 Posted December 12, 2013 But he was under siege etc I didn't say under siege. I said defeated. Key difference. This was my experience in Rift as well (with the slaying of the various dragons), and TERA (the example you apparently don't care about - al...right?). Cho'gall, or Sinestra, or Al'akir? I didn't think I needed to list every single raid boss that ever cropped up in WoW to make my point. [edit] Ah, Twin. Thanks. ^^ Link to comment
LiadansWhisper Posted December 12, 2013 Share #14 Posted December 12, 2013 The only place where this is really awkward is at the beginning of the game, before the first patch hits. It's best, until we start getting numerous patches, that we RP where 'most' RPers are, which I believe has been pre-50. Since none of our characters are the ones who fought the primals or really took part in any of the main story-line, this pretty much divides the times up into pre-Archon and post-Archon. We've been RPing in pre-Archon. You and your friends. I don't think you can speak for "most" RPers unless you've spoken to all of them. (obviously if you've been RPing post-Archon, you're the exception, which is okay cause you RP how you want, but you likely will ahve come off as supernaturally prophetic to most folk on the server) I'm pretty sure this isn't the case. As I said in a previous post, you don't have to be standing on the top of the Adventurer's Guild shouting, "WE BLEW UP PRAETORIUM!" It can be as simple as playing as though the Garleans are on the retreat, but still a danger (since we also know that they're slated to return in greater/stronger numbers). It may not even come up in RP - since most people aren't RPing Warriors of Light who are directly involved in this stuff. It's just "atmosphere" and "setting," not the main story (or subject) for the vast majority of RP that I've seen. With 2.1 hitting, we're going into post-Archon timeframe. I'm not sure I'm comfortable with ignoring everything that happens in the next patch until the patch after that. I like being involved, not waiting and waiting. :-P I don't know what kind of in-world changes we can expect with patch 2.1. They don't seem to be big on phasing of areas. They phase in NPCs for sure, and they obviously phased the Waking Sands (which would appear to be an instance of sorts), but you don't see a lot of that in the open world (though they obviously have the technology, as demonstrated by the opening quests in the game). Barring phasing, I don't see how they could make in-world changes to the Castrums without borking their main questline. In WoW, content patches always changed the RP landscape in obvious ways. When they introduced the Coliseum in Northrend, for instance, people wanted to take part in the coliseum combat, so of course we RP'd that as current. When the Lich King was introduced, that patch was RP'd as current, and the Lich King wasn't defeated until the next patch was introduced (and yes, we did spend the entire patch laying siege to the Citadel), because the next patch moved on to other things and had NPCs acknowledging him as dead. That was our queue. But not everyone did that. Just on one server alone, right now, there are people RPing that the Siege of Orgrimmar is over, even though it's the same patch. There are people RPing that it's still going on. There are people that are not acknowledging it at all, because it's the "current patch." And there are even people who are RPing the trial of Garrosh, although that hasn't happened yet (and is now slated not to happen in game and instead take place in a book you'll have to buy separately). Even during WotLK, there were people who RP'd that the Lich King was taken out the moment a guild took him out, even though Ruby Sanctum wasn't out. In the current world in ARR, none of the NPCs are acknowledging that operation Archon has happened (at least, outside of the Waking Sands, which is phased specifically to you and doesn't count). In this coming patch, not only will we be running around a post-Archon world, but we'll be reacting to new events that did not exist pre-Archon. These new events will be current, and they will remain current until the next content patch lands. As long as Squee continues to advance content at the pace it looks like they're going to, it should be easy to keep everyone on the same page. But why would you expect NPCs to acknowledge something outside of the quests themselves? o_O None of the NPCs have acknowledged anything you do. I mean, in comparison to WoW, they seriously don't pay attention. But these NPCs have never acknowledged anything you've done beyond a very few (the Adventurer's Guild leader, the faction leader (when you were actually on the quests for her - you can't even get to her once you're done), and the Scions). I don't know that that means, however, that you must RP in a certain fashion because the NPCs don't acknowledge your deeds. They may never acknowledge them. It's highly likely that they're simply not programmed to do so. This was an issue in TERA because we sat on the Argon War patch for an entire year, and eventually people wanted to RP the Argon Queen as having died even though the game's story hadn't progressed. The reverse is true for Rift, where patches hit so fast and hard they often out-strip RP (or so I imagine. I never RP'd being involved with the main plot there, but a content patch every single month!). I doubt we'll have either problem with ARR. I never RP'd in Rift or TERA (I actually never played TERA at all). I tried RP in Rift, but it was reallllly hard to find anyone RPing on the RP servers. :-\ EDIT: As far as where to draw the line, I've personally been drawing it just prior to operation Archon. This was easy because nobody would have much idea of the struggles between the Scions and the Primals. Those were all private. I guess it would be fair for people to be RPing preparations for Archon and battles against the Garleans. I don't think anyone would be surprised to find an RP playing that out. I've just been playing as though it's all happened, or Archon is in the process of happening right now. But since my character isn't directly involved in the storyline (personal decision), it's just setting to me. But it's a setting I like having, because it provides a ground to build my character on. And I know several other people who are RPing the same. (There are also Garlean players who are affected by this, too.) Link to comment
LiadansWhisper Posted December 12, 2013 Share #15 Posted December 12, 2013 But he was under siege etc I didn't say under siege. I said defeated. Key difference. This was my experience in Rift as well (with the slaying of the various dragons), and TERA (the example you apparently don't care about - al...right?). You named some random person I never heard of. I don't know why you expected me to care. :-\ It's not meant as an insult or anything, but I mean, how can I care about something I know nothing about? My objection is to the idea that we can't be already involved in the current patch events. If that's not what you were trying to say, then I apologize - I misread. But that's how ti came across. I didn't think I needed to list every single raid boss that ever cropped up in WoW to make my point. I mentioned the others because Nefarian wasn't even the most important. :-P He wasn't even the focus. He was, actually, the least of them. Link to comment
Twinflame Posted December 12, 2013 Share #16 Posted December 12, 2013 Of course it's all in the delivery. I'm not sure I'm comfortable with ignoring everything that happens in the next patch until the patch after that. I like being involved, not waiting and waiting. :-P This is actually kind of my point. And by 'kind of' I mean 'exactly'. But you shouldn't RP that the story elements of that patch are complete and finished until the next patch is released to continue the story, which is when SE completes and finishes them. Otherwise you're disallowing other people you come in contact with to make those events a plot point in their own RP, because to you, they are in the past. Link to comment
Aysun Posted December 12, 2013 Share #17 Posted December 12, 2013 As the back-and-forth in this thread clearly shows, it varies from RPer to RPer. Some might have already decided it's no longer the Umbral era once they completed the storyline. Some are going to wait til 2.1 and assume it's passed. Personally I'm probably going to be waiting until the first major expansion to be released before assuming anything in the current main scenario has happened, unless something blatant in game changes (for example, in 1.0 we could not ignore the passage of time due to Dalamud growing closer). There will never be a set date IC for everyone, I think. If the exact time period is extremely important to your storylines, then agreeing upon it withing your LS/RP circle would be advantageous, but don't expect the rest of the community to agree on it. Link to comment
raindrops Posted December 12, 2013 Share #18 Posted December 12, 2013 There will never be a set date IC for everyone, I think. If the exact time period is extremely important to your storylines, then agreeing upon it withing your LS/RP circle would be advantageous, but don't expect the rest of the community to agree on it. This. I generally play from before the Ultima Weapon ultimatum was made (or at least before it became widespread knowledge that something was going down, because I like the conflicts that the stalemate of sorts between the Eorzean Alliance and the Garlean Empire can cause and I want a chance to play in that environment before updating. Personally I feel like we've not had much of a chance to see how the announcement of peacetime has changed the world yes, and I'm hoping 2.1 gives us more insight on that. Once we hit 2.1 I'll probably update to however things start out in 2.1, and so on. But honestly, if someone played from a different point I'd probably switch to accommodate that whenever I was playing with them and then switch back. It's bad form in a consistency sense, I know, but making sure everyone has fun is more important than that. Link to comment
Anstarra Posted December 12, 2013 Share #19 Posted December 12, 2013 As the back-and-forth in this thread clearly shows, it varies from RPer to RPer. Some might have already decided it's no longer the Umbral era once they completed the storyline. Some are going to wait til 2.1 and assume it's passed. Personally I'm probably going to be waiting until the first major expansion to be released before assuming anything in the current main scenario has happened, unless something blatant in game changes (for example, in 1.0 we could not ignore the passage of time due to Dalamud growing closer). There will never be a set date IC for everyone, I think. If the exact time period is extremely important to your storylines, then agreeing upon it withing your LS/RP circle would be advantageous, but don't expect the rest of the community to agree on it. Yes, exactly this. Because everyone's RP experience is distinct! Getting all RPers to agree on a single 'truth' would require S-E stepping out and declaring official canon. The reason that will simple: there already IS a canonical storyline. And it's completely at odds with a roleplaying environment. It's literally impossible for us to all act as if the Main Story is Our Personal Story. One option I've seen tossed out is the idea of the role of our character being assigned to a Nameless Hero, much like in the Elder Scrolls and some other games. This unique individual would be the one who took our specific role, and did all that stuff.. which would mean that the current time, RP-wise, would be taking place post-content. The problem with that, of course, is that some of us WANT to have taken part in the main story. I've seen the Grand Companies put forth as another hero figure. Using them allows us to declare that GROUPS of heroic individuals defeated all the evil and so on, which allows us to say, for instance, 'I was part of the Operation Archon strike force'. And equally allows others to say they weren't. Of course now we come back to the actual topical problem, timeline. Some players want to live pre-Archon, others in post. This, inevitably, will never be something universally agreed-upon. Though personally I find RPing in the pre-final-events stretch to be more realistic from a 'feel-of-the-world' point of view, I see nothing wrong with those who want to do otherwise. The only problem is when worldviews collide, and people are too stubborn to compromise. Then you have long, drawn-out, in-brackets arguments about why no you can't be working for so and so because he's dead or hasn't come back or bla bla bla. I recommend avoiding story content when dealing with others, unless you know they're on the same page as you. RP is fluid. Entirely oppositional viewpoints CAN mesh together as long as you're clever enough. The point is to have fun, remember! Not to be RIGHT! Don't get mad at someone because they don't share your opinion! That's a childish thing to do, and we're all adults here ;3 Link to comment
LiadansWhisper Posted December 12, 2013 Share #20 Posted December 12, 2013 This is actually kind of my point. And by 'kind of' I mean 'exactly'. But you shouldn't RP that the story elements of that patch are complete and finished until the next patch is released to continue the story, which is when SE completes and finishes them. Otherwise you're disallowing other people you come in contact with to make those events a plot point in their own RP, because to you, they are in the past. But...why? Why does me setting my character story in the aftermath of the first part of the storyline completely preclude another person using those events as a plot point in their own RP? I don't control anyone else's RP. I can't tell someone, "You can't use that because it hasn't happened yet," and I also can't tell someone, "You can't use that because my RP has already used that and I'm not going to share." Especially in the case of characters who are not a direct part of the main storyline at all, I don't see why there has to be any conflict. It's not like this comes up in average conversation, and if there ever was a conflict (i.e. one player is using info up to Point A, while the other player is using info up to Point B), couldn't you just...you know...gloss over it? I mean, it's happy pretend fun times. Can't we just find a way around it instead of saying, "You must RP in this manner or you can't include others"? o_O As the back-and-forth in this thread clearly shows, it varies from RPer to RPer. Some might have already decided it's no longer the Umbral era once they completed the storyline. Some are going to wait til 2.1 and assume it's passed. Personally I'm probably going to be waiting until the first major expansion to be released before assuming anything in the current main scenario has happened, unless something blatant in game changes (for example, in 1.0 we could not ignore the passage of time due to Dalamud growing closer). I know this is off-topic, BUT...is anyone else still confused about whether it's supposedly an Astral or Umbral Era? And how can someone just declare an Umbral Era "over"? I mean, it seems like we have a lot more conflicting to do, and I thought conflict was the hallmark of an Umbral Era (whereas an Astral Era was a period marked by general peace). There will never be a set date IC for everyone, I think. If the exact time period is extremely important to your storylines, then agreeing upon it withing your LS/RP circle would be advantageous, but don't expect the rest of the community to agree on it. Yeah, but I also think people can be flexible in their actual RP actions, too. If, for instance, I'm playing that Ultima is rampaging around eating Primals and you, as you've said, aren't really counting any of the current storyline events in your RP, I don't see why that would preclude us from interacting solely on that point alone. As long as everyone is willing to be flexible, I mean. This. I generally play from before the Ultima Weapon ultimatum was made (or at least before it became widespread knowledge that something was going down, Another random side question: Did the Ultima Weapon ultimatum ever become common knowledge? I'm still curious... because I like the conflicts that the stalemate of sorts between the Eorzean Alliance and the Garlean Empire can cause and I want a chance to play in that environment before updating. Personally I feel like we've not had much of a chance to see how the announcement of peacetime has changed the world yes, and I'm hoping 2.1 gives us more insight on that. Once we hit 2.1 I'll probably update to however things start out in 2.1, and so on. But honestly, if someone played from a different point I'd probably switch to accommodate that whenever I was playing with them and then switch back. It's bad form in a consistency sense, I know, but making sure everyone has fun is more important than that. Those are other good points, and I'm actually really excited to see how the Garleans react to what has happened (or if the Empire itself will react at all, as opposed to the Garleans already in Eorzea, who appear somewhat cut off from their home?). But, I don't think that it's bad form to just gloss over the time period differences. Like you said, having fun is the most important thing and something as petty as a time period conflict shouldn't keep people from RPing together. Link to comment
Seriphyn Posted December 12, 2013 Author Share #21 Posted December 12, 2013 I recommend avoiding story content when dealing with others, unless you know they're on the same page as you. This seems helpful. I know for my Immortal Flames LS, we will be RPing post-Archon. Link to comment
LandStander Posted December 12, 2013 Share #22 Posted December 12, 2013 I personally probably will not be updating anything until the first expansion. I do play a lot of Garlean characters and this topic kind of strikes home. If during a plot someone references it I might just roll with it. I just find that updating the story will basically cut out any RP that you can do with those two dungeons and anyone who wanted to add that bit to their RP. So I an with Raindrops on this one and just going to jump around if needed, and do my best to never bring it up in the first place to avoid conflict. As far as the whole astral and umbral era thing... After they declared the entering of a new Astral era, like 3 mins after that, Bahamut started stirring, right? So I just feel like its an Umbral era all over again and the Astral era was the quickest Astral era in the history . They jumped the gun on that Link to comment
Naunet Posted December 12, 2013 Share #23 Posted December 12, 2013 I know this is off-topic, BUT...is anyone else still confused about whether it's supposedly an Astral or Umbral Era? And how can someone just declare an Umbral Era "over"? I mean, it seems like we have a lot more conflicting to do, and I thought conflict was the hallmark of an Umbral Era (whereas an Astral Era was a period marked by general peace). Lol yes, I thought it was absolutely absurd when I saw that cutscene. I mean, seriously? Host a celebration and wave your hands and wooo poof, it's an Astral era? From a storytelling perspective, they better get a reality check soon and acknowledge that they were way too quick to declare a time shift, or... well, or it's just not that great of storytelling. Link to comment
raindrops Posted December 12, 2013 Share #24 Posted December 12, 2013 I imagine that around the time Operation Archon was announced it'd be pretty widespread knowledge that the Gaeleans had done something to spur the Alliance into action with such sudden haste. That said, I doubt the specifics would be widely known and I certainly doubt anyone but the scions and the main character would know how close the Alliance actually came to giving in. Link to comment
Kieron Lohengrin Posted December 13, 2013 Share #25 Posted December 13, 2013 The story continued in Coil, which Alisaie recruited you to investigate after Operation Archon. She specifically mentions it during the cutscene where she asks for your help. And even before that, the Scion dialogue during the primal hardmode quests' cutscenes also indicate that the HM battles take place after the fall of the Praetorium. So it's always been post-Operation Archon. Link to comment
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