The Vent Tent - Poor PuGs and Other Terrible Tales

[Sounsyy]

WoD really bothers me, because it requires 3 tanks, but you only ever need to have 3 tanks for one fight in the entire dungeon. Most you can get away with 1 or 2 tanks tops, same as ST. Which I think is really where most of the ST-series tank problems come from. You either have nothing to do or you have no incentive to do anything well.

 

Call me elitist, but that sort of thing really bothers me. If you're not MT, start DPSing. If there are adds that can be tanked, tank them. Do something, but don't half-ass it. And unfortunately it's true of a lot of multi-tank content. There just aren't a lot of fights you need two tanks for, y'know besides the ones that force tank swap mechanic.

 

So I usually follow a couple simple rules I came up with for multi-tanking content.

1) If you want to MT, say so, or pull first. Otherwise, I'm going. If you call it, it's all yours, I'll swap off Defiance and DPS... unless:

2) You pull with Sword Oath or off-Defiance. I will laugh at you.

3) You do something incredibly weird with your pull/positioning, I'm gonna tank it off of you. And I don't mean with provoke. If a boss cleaves... don't point it at alliance/party. Or my favorite, a tank pulled Five-Headed Dragon in WoD and instead of keeping it in center or moving it to the back... she pulled it to the start of the arena and pointed it inwards, so that it cleaved the entire arena and 23 people were forced to stack right under its tail. No.

4) You are having a really hard time holding hate. I don't care if you're undergeared, but if you can't keep hate off the 23 better geared people in the alliance, I'm sorry, but I'm relieving you of that duty because that boss is running all over the place killing folk. Ain't nobody got time for that.

5) If you are relieved of MT or die, don't try to voke it back off the new MT. You are no longer in hate lead for a reason, all fighting over it will do is spin the mob and get people killed.

6) If there's two WARs in party/alliance. MT WAR is responsible for Butcher's Block and Storm's Path. OT WAR is responsible for Butcher's Block and Storm's Eye. That way both WARs max their damage, buffs don't get overridden, and if MT dies, OT will be in 2nd in hate. Efficiency. MT worries about their own mitigation, and OT just has to worry about maxing damage.

 

And that's today's vent. Now to go rage in WoD for a few more runs.

[Gegenji]

Finally moved out of the Novus stage into Nexus on my relic, and got thrown straight into some stupid.

 

I got into a Darkhold with a REALLY well-geared tank. Like, full poetics/WoD gear with ice axe and a couple other raid trinkets. Cool, we can power-pull and breeze through it, right?

 

He pulls half the mobs in the first area and tries tanking them outside the light. I tell him to move into the light when he Holmgangs, he asks "Light"? And then promptly dies. As does the DPS. I had moved to the light and somehow managed to keep myself healed with all those mobs on me until he shows up to take them back.

 

I ask him if it's his first time in here, he said it was. Okay, that's fine. I can explain things. We get through the first boss just fine with some explanations. However, in the next area he tries to mass pull AGAIN, and gets us all killed. I tell him he needs to pull one group at a time and, after an accidental larger pull in the area with the patrolling frogs causes a third wipe, we get through and down the second boss.

 

Third area? Yup, he tries to pull EVERYTHING. I'm a bit miffed at this point and I say: "Oh hey. You pulled more than one group." And just leave it at that.

 

He responds that there was no reason why I couldn't keep him healed. So, apparently it's my fault we wiped four times because I should totally be able to heal him tanking more than he can handle. Get through that BS (and the NIN sticking to the last boss even when he's invulnerable, to include putting a LB into him while the crystal was still up) and finish the instance. One commendation, no dungeon atma.

 

Wee.

[Kage]

Because clearly while level-synced you can do that.

 

There's a difference between realizing you have limits with level-sync and with being bad.

 

Tank in poetics and novus is in my low level Tam-Tara (joy cause it's better than AV) but yet... he loses agro to me. And the healer. He does one flash and done. GDI I DONT EVEN HIT THE THING UNTIL WELL AFTER HE DID HE ALSO DOES NOT TRANSITION WELL. Does not attack next mob while we hit the previous... and there's full -insert 3 GCDs here- time lapses before he moves on.

 

I gave up caring that all I was doing was heavy thrust-impulsedrive spam. I just popped defensive cooldowns....all the time.

[Kage]

Just reading about this guy who had his girlfriend end up in one of the endgame 50 dungeons in Duty Finder

 

Tank is using an i35 weapon. When asked why, tank says the other two people challenged him to do it. But she's pulling hate every which way cause she's i129.

 

GF doesn't want to quite bitch about it to the group so her boyfriend takes over to do it. They tell her they have all the time in the world and she should just deal with it.

 

They're trolling assholes but nothing you can do but just leave.

[Aoi Fukiku]

Dealt with trolls in lota last night.  Boy were they bad. I normally ignore them but I hadn't seen such hate in years.  I ended up leaving very early in saying I would rather go back to RP then to listen to 12 year old call if duty players taking a break and trying an mmo.

[Kage]

There's a special place in my i-hate-you list for tanks who spin their mobs around. Especially when they will cleave and I'M FUCKING HEALING YOUR ASS WHO WONT POP COOLDOWNS.

 

Also, not being able to decide where you will tank the dragons with Midgardsormr in Keeper of the Lake, spinning around and CLEAVING EVERYONE.

 

When I talk about being efficient, I don't mean taking stupid amounts of unnecessary damage on purpose.

[Liandri]

Doing my relic quest has caused me to resent every pug I will ever encounter in the future.

 

Highlights of this week thus far:

 

- A BRD that literally only used heavy shot and flaming arrow. No songs. Nothing.

 

- A NIN in Tam-Tara HM that thought you could just 'ignore' mechanics on the second boss, and I quote: "no this is what happens when u focus on mecahnics in dungeons" (i.e. an instant wipe because all the orbs hit the lalafell).

 

- BLM's that just straight up don't know their rotation whatsoever. I've tried giving them advice (this was in lower level dungeons, mind you), and been straight up ignored, or flamed in response.

 

- Generally, people just going AFK. It's hard to find a good BRD that actually uses any sort of songs these days, and it is making me lose my faith in humanity. I'll be over there, sobbing quietly, I just want my relic finished.

[C'kayah Polaali]

I just love DPS that consistently pull aggro from the tank - not occasionally, but consistently. We had a LotA with a dragoon that actually ran in to pull the bosses. Honestly, if the WHM (me) is spending more time healing your DPS than they are healing the tank, you're doing it wrong.

[111]

I think Pugs in this game are actually pretty good, and generally are quite capable of playing their job.

[Cliodhna Eoghan]

I think Pugs in this game are actually pretty good, and generally are quite capable of playing their job.

i've actually had a lot of really good ones save for a couple of bad tanks here and there....but those were in really low level stuff so it's to be expected. .----. like the gladiator wearing mage gear on half their stuff with no shield....they were open to the suggestions on how to improve their tanking from the other dps that mains a tank so the only frustrating part was trying to keep them alive due to the paper skin

[Kage]

On the other hand I've met bad fcob PUGs and before the nerf/DF, scob pugs.

 

And then you help LS mates who are new, get them a T12 clear and then the new tanks and new sch get further than your own static in T13.

 

I might be slightly bitter.

[Sounsyy]

People who improperly gear their job in dungeon/trial/raid content.

(PVP gear in PVE. NIN wearing STR. Healers wearing INT. Spiritbonding and your DPS really shows it...)

 

[Kage]

But Sounsyy what gear lvl / what PVP gear are they wearing? What with the increases in secondary stats I thought some of the PVP gear actually -helped- some just starting to gear out.?

[Sounsyy]

But Sounsyy what gear lvl / what PVP gear are they wearing? What with the increases in secondary stats I thought some of the PVP gear actually -helped- some just starting to gear out.?

 

Like Warwolf stuff. Sometimes I see people come in in the i100 PVP gear. Don't think I've ever seen anyone PVE in the i110 stuff (yet). But yeah... Warwolf seems to be very popular PVE gear on Hyp for some reason. ><

[Kage]

But Sounsyy what gear lvl / what PVP gear are they wearing? What with the increases in secondary stats I thought some of the PVP gear actually -helped- some just starting to gear out.?

 

Like Warwolf stuff. Sometimes I see people come in in the i100 PVP gear. Don't think I've ever seen anyone PVE in the i110 stuff (yet). But yeah... Warwolf seems to be very popular PVE gear on Hyp for some reason. ><

I forgot what the number crunches were but I thought that some PVP gear were actually on-par with PVE

[Unnamed Mercenary]

People who improperly gear their job in dungeon/trial/raid content.

(PVP gear in PVE. NIN wearing STR. Healers wearing INT. Spiritbonding and your DPS really shows it...)

 

 

That gif is my life. There is a reason I like crafting. (On a side note, please people. Let me make you HQ i90 armor if you're a fresh 50. Friends don't let friends wear AF into HM primals)

[Kurt S.]

Sometimes when you're surrounded by dumbasses who fail to realize that they're in a Normal Mode dungeon and expect you to oh I dunno pop Hallowed Ground after the dps pulls huge and Shield Oath at the start and keep pestering you for it......Also expecting Level 50 grade tanking from someone who is relatively fresh to the PLD tanking scene. 

 

Like what...oh you're here for your books and you want a speed run huh? Does Nah look like she can handle 4 mob groups at any given time simulatenously? Yes? Oh so someone decked in largely level 30 gear and only has access to Sword Oath on top of a lazy healer who insists Eos(I think) is more than enough to heal me, can tank 4 mob groups simulatenously? Sure, 3 I can handle after I pop my oh wait...I don't have berserk to pair with Bloodbath and I can't lolcure worth shit. Foresight and Rampart only takes me so far and you won't even lay off the mobs when I'm clearly OOM and can't flash between GCDs. My RoH can only compete with your damage for so long....

 

Hey I want to stop farming Brayflox too but I won't until either Nah hits 40 or I get a complete Cavalry set. I will not wear the damned Beer Can Armor.

[Tyndles]

I'm going to vent on behalf of my group, because man was I off my game and I want to share for some reason.  (I might be drunk, I dunno.)

 

Someone was recruiting for Titan EX tonight, and I sent then a tell.  "Hey, I've never finished it, but I've gotten him to 15% before."  They accept and bring me into the group and we're off!

 

I immediately die by falling off the cliff in phase two like twice in a row.  I was looking really bad, and felt really bad.  It was just one of those days where I was really, really not with it.  I did get it together and we get to the super bomb phase and for some reason I just couldn't target the bomb the tank marked.  I kept clicking on people and couldn't get the LB off and we died and I felt bad again.

 

I kinda laughed at myself, but I could tell the tanks and healer were getting frustrated a bit.  We DID get the kill, and I was alive at the end with like 7 minutes left.  But yeah, I was just not at my best, and if they post here I bet they'd tell the story, so I'm beating them to it!  Yeah!  (Plus this helps me feel better about it somehow)

[Enteris]

Garuda Hard. Farming zeta "lights".

 

Right as the little force field around us drops, a bard goes balls to the wall on dps and pulls Garuda, followed soon by the ninja and another bard.

 

I decide that I'm not even going to bother picking up threat. I sit back by the healers for a few seconds before finally stepping in and doing my riot blade combo. The other tank doesn't seem to keen on tanking either.

 

We wipe.

 

Next attempt, the same thing happens.

 

[7:54](NINJA) ...

[7:54]Garuda: Heehee HAHA hahaha HEEHEE haha HEEEEEE!!!

[7:54](BARD) would on of the tank please tank

[7:55]Countless feathers rain from the sky.

[7:55](BARD) one of

[7:55](Other tank) I was thinking mr geared

[7:55](Other tank) but apparently he doesn't wanna

[7:55](Raandal Bennett) I was thinking the dps that want to pull.

 

I dunno... maybe I'm an ass for thinking dps can wait maybe two or three seconds before firing off their spells, just to let the tank even move from the starting point of the trial and even come close to getting in range of shield lob/tomahawk.

 

Perhaps I'm alone in this thought, though. However, I did get a commendation... so maybe not.

[Liandri]

Garuda Hard. Farming zeta "lights".

 

Right as the little force field around us drops, a bard goes balls to the wall on dps and pulls Garuda, followed soon by the ninja and another bard.

 

I decide that I'm not even going to bother picking up threat. I sit back by the healers for a few seconds before finally stepping in and doing my riot blade combo. The other tank doesn't seem to keen on tanking either.

 

We wipe.

 

Next attempt, the same thing happens.

 

[7:54](NINJA) ...

[7:54]Garuda: Heehee HAHA hahaha HEEHEE haha HEEEEEE!!!

[7:54](BARD) would on of the tank please tank

[7:55]Countless feathers rain from the sky.

[7:55](BARD) one of

[7:55](Other tank) I was thinking mr geared

[7:55](Other tank) but apparently he doesn't wanna

[7:55](Raandal Bennett) I was thinking the dps that want to pull.

 

I dunno... maybe I'm an ass for thinking dps can wait maybe two or three seconds before firing off their spells, just to let the tank even move from the starting point of the trial and even come close to getting in range of shield lob/tomahawk.

 

Perhaps I'm alone in this thought, though. However, I did get a commendation... so maybe not.

 

Not alone in that at all. You pull it, you tank it. Aside from accidental pulls, that doesn't count.

 

It's genuinely something that's put me off tanking before, especially when they have the audacity to blame the tanks in the first place.

+1 Commendation!

[Kou]

Garuda Hard. Farming zeta "lights".

 

Right as the little force field around us drops, a bard goes balls to the wall on dps and pulls Garuda, followed soon by the ninja and another bard.

 

I decide that I'm not even going to bother picking up threat. I sit back by the healers for a few seconds before finally stepping in and doing my riot blade combo. The other tank doesn't seem to keen on tanking either.

 

We wipe.

 

Next attempt, the same thing happens.

 

[7:54](NINJA) ...

[7:54]Garuda: Heehee HAHA hahaha HEEHEE haha HEEEEEE!!!

[7:54](BARD) would on of the tank please tank

[7:55]Countless feathers rain from the sky.

[7:55](BARD) one of

[7:55](Other tank) I was thinking mr geared

[7:55](Other tank) but apparently he doesn't wanna

[7:55](Raandal Bennett) I was thinking the dps that want to pull.

 

I dunno... maybe I'm an ass for thinking dps can wait maybe two or three seconds before firing off their spells, just to let the tank even move from the starting point of the trial and even come close to getting in range of shield lob/tomahawk.

 

Perhaps I'm alone in this thought, though. However, I did get a commendation... so maybe not.

 

Not alone in that at all. You pull it, you tank it. Aside from accidental pulls, that doesn't count.

 

It's genuinely something that's put me off tanking before, especially when they have the audacity to blame the tanks in the first place.

+1 Commendation!

^ This.

 

As a Healer, I have definitely let DPS die for pulling. I will not go down with you because you're an impatient twat, and unless that tank is actively fighting their damnest to control the fight, I'm not gonna stress myself out. I've got enough on my mind, and I play games to relax.

 

As a Tank, I have definitely made zero effort to fight for agro. You pull it, you tank it. (Unless it's one of those accidental "ohshit, forgot not to stand there" moments, which I've totally done as a DPS sowwietanks ). I am kinda glad I'm not the only one with that attitude, though. Heh! <3

[Aaron]

Been trying to log in with one person in que for thirty minutes. 

 

 

What is this?

[Nebbs]

Been trying to log in with one person in que for thirty minutes. 

 

 

What is this?

 

 

I had this a few time. 

 

Changing datacentres and back seemed to work, but then didn't next time I got it. I restarted the game and that seemed to work also.

[Aaron]

Yeah I got in! Thanks!

[Kurt S.]

*Wait 90++ minutes in queue for westwind on Nah(i75 PLD) for MSQ*

 

*Get annoyed that one minute we're full on dps but lacking a healer, the next we're full on healers but lacking one dps*

 

*Duty finally popped nearing the 100 minute mark.* 

 

*Local ISP decides its funny to simple die on me.*

 

*Can Naht reconnect.*

 

*Kinda wanna hit a motherfucker with another motherfucker into a whole pack of motherfuckers.*

 

*Goes to sleep right now.*

 

#puglyfe

#2df4u

 

Edit: Ah phones...oversizing everything. At least I got to RP with mister Frostheart up there that was a nice way bring out Nah's unflustered side.