(08-26-2015, 10:42 AM)Amelia Wrote: I might just be lore-stupid... but I thought that in and through ARR, a lot of those job classes were actually making a comeback.

I can't really say for BLM as I don't know much about the story, but for WHM, the Padjals are bringin' WHM back like Justin Timberlake, as far as I can tell.

Am I wrong for making my character a White Mage ICly because I assume I wouldn't be the ONLY one to learn under the Padjals?

(08-26-2015, 01:02 PM)Sylentmana Wrote:

(08-26-2015, 10:42 AM)Amelia Wrote: I might just be lore-stupid... but I thought that in and through ARR, a lot of those job classes were actually making a comeback.

I can't really say for BLM as I don't know much about the story, but for WHM, the Padjals are bringin' WHM back like Justin Timberlake, as far as I can tell.

Am I wrong for making my character a White Mage ICly because I assume I wouldn't be the ONLY one to learn under the Padjals?

That there is a can of worms you don't want to open. Trust me, it never goes well.

(08-26-2015, 10:42 AM)Amelia Wrote: I can't really say for BLM as I don't know much about the story, but for WHM, the Padjals are bringin' WHM back like Justin Timberlake, as far as I can tell.

Am I wrong for making my character a White Mage ICly because I assume I wouldn't be the ONLY one to learn under the Padjals?

(08-26-2015, 01:39 PM)Sin Wrote: The main character of the game, the Warrior of Light is made the exception AFTER A LOT OF PROTESTATION

(08-26-2015, 03:29 AM)Kismet Wrote: It's all in the presentation! 

My main, Y'raja, calls herself the actual Godsbow. She does this in an intentionally boisterous and obnoxious manner, to such a point that a person's character would either have to be tremendously sheltered/gullible or brain-dead to believe that BS. Does she actually believe this herself? Nah. It's more of a long-running joke that's spawned from a mix of fond childhood memories and nervous things that were blurted out by mistake. But will she gladly ride the wave of ANYONE who'd actually think she's serious? Hell, yeah!

As others have said, if you can't convey this well IC, there's nothing wrong with some OOC clarification of "hey, my character's just crazy/goofy/a moron". The majority of people should understand. =)

(08-26-2015, 03:12 PM)Amelia Wrote: -deep sigh- Oh well... I guess at the very least, Amelia doesn't ICly CALL herself that... I just do. Kind of sucks... I don't want to be a special snowflake, I just wanna be a damn White Mage...

I guess as long as I just keep continuing to play her ICly as a gifted healer no one will notice my sin and shame...

-slinks off to lurk again for several months-

(08-26-2015, 03:57 PM)Unnamed Mercenary Wrote:

(08-26-2015, 03:12 PM)Amelia Wrote: -deep sigh- Oh well... I guess at the very least, Amelia doesn't ICly CALL herself that... I just do. Kind of sucks... I don't want to be a special snowflake, I just wanna be a damn White Mage...

I guess as long as I just keep continuing to play her ICly as a gifted healer no one will notice my sin and shame...

-slinks off to lurk again for several months-

Wait! Come back! There's something you brought up that could be an excellent and potentially dangerous topic of discussion: What is it about having the title of White Mage that makes it more appealing than say, a Conjuror, Arcanist, Astrologian or Scholar? Naturally, we know that White Mage is a big-name job within the Final Fantasy series. But that's a concept that widens the scope of discussion beyond just FFXIV.

(08-26-2015, 04:13 PM)Amelia Wrote:

(08-26-2015, 03:57 PM)Unnamed Mercenary Wrote:

(08-26-2015, 03:12 PM)Amelia Wrote: -deep sigh- Oh well... I guess at the very least, Amelia doesn't ICly CALL herself that... I just do. Kind of sucks... I don't want to be a special snowflake, I just wanna be a damn White Mage...

I guess as long as I just keep continuing to play her ICly as a gifted healer no one will notice my sin and shame...

-slinks off to lurk again for several months-

Wait! Come back! There's something you brought up that could be an excellent and potentially dangerous topic of discussion: What is it about having the title of White Mage that makes it more appealing than say, a Conjuror, Arcanist, Astrologian or Scholar? Naturally, we know that White Mage is a big-name job within the Final Fantasy series. But that's a concept that widens the scope of discussion beyond just FFXIV.

-mutters softly- Conjurers don't get the cool classic robes. They get shapeless potato sacks.

I guess being a long time fan of FF9, I always wanted to make a WHM/SMN combo. It's no secret that Amelia is heavily based off of Dagger. So naturally the role of a WHM and SMN was very appealing to me.

But you're right. It is really the title I'm being a baby about. I get bristly sometimes when I'm told "No, you can't do that because of lore" when mechanically, I WORKED for that damn title. I healed that damn tree with my own blood and sweat... leaving it a really messed up looking and smelling tree in the Black Shroud, but DAMN that quest was hard at the time!

Would being a conjurer instead of White Mage change Amelia's story? No. Mainly because I don't really have her walking around calling herself that. Again, it's just something I associate her with. I guess the most she'd ever say is call some of her abilities 'White Magic.'

I don't really want to make people mad by bending or breaking lore, but telling someone that they can't ICly be something that they can actually be in the game just seems... I dunno. There's a word for it that escapes me. Unfair-ish?

Again, it's not something I want because I want my character to be a special snowflake... but because it's something that just feels like it really fits. I know that thinking and feeling this way is wrong as a Role-player... and I know a lot of people disagree. For that I apologize.

(08-26-2015, 04:23 PM)Unnamed Mercenary Wrote: You've nothing to apologize for! Look the way to want to. ...now if you start casting White Magic, the lore hounds may OOCly question how. (but looking at the skills, the Battle Team at SE has made skills inconsistent all over. Why are Cure 2 and Aero 3 somehow Succor but the rest aren't?!)

(08-26-2015, 04:51 PM)FreelanceWizard Wrote:

(08-26-2015, 04:23 PM)Unnamed Mercenary Wrote: You've nothing to apologize for! Look the way to want to.  ...now if you start casting White Magic, the lore hounds may OOCly question how. (but looking at the skills, the Battle Team at SE has made skills inconsistent all over. Why are Cure 2 and Aero 3 somehow Succor but the rest aren't?!)

The lore and battle teams have an unfortunate history of coming into conflict in XIV -- the moving of elemental offensive magic to Thaumaturgy from Conjury is one such example that they've admitted to. I think it's safe to say that the battle team will sometimes say, "These are WHM Job skills because they'd be OP if they could be cross-classed or available to CNJ," and then the lore team says, "Welp, time to sweep that under the rug."

I'm a big supporter of "if the game says you can, you should be able to do so," which is why I advocate different approaches to using Succor or, indeed, using spells that the game classifies as Succor in a way that makes them not Succor. If your character's a skilled conjuror, surely they've created some spells of their own, perhaps some to keep people in the fight with less effort (Regen)? That big explosion of light you do (Holy)? Why, that's just a lightning-aspected spell (since we know that conjurers, per lore, have access to elemental magic). On the black mage side, that's not the "Flare" of the War of the Magi, it's just a customized, augmented fire spell.

To paraphrase a common (and silly, when you think about it) saying, when the lore team closes a door, they open a window. XIV really doesn't ban much of anything, and even when it bans one approach, others still exist, ready to be employed by the enterprising RPer.

(08-26-2015, 07:13 PM)Simba Wrote:

(08-26-2015, 04:51 PM)FreelanceWizard Wrote:

(08-26-2015, 04:23 PM)Unnamed Mercenary Wrote: You've nothing to apologize for! Look the way to want to.  ...now if you start casting White Magic, the lore hounds may OOCly question how. (but looking at the skills, the Battle Team at SE has made skills inconsistent all over. Why are Cure 2 and Aero 3 somehow Succor but the rest aren't?!)

The lore and battle teams have an unfortunate history of coming into conflict in XIV -- the moving of elemental offensive magic to Thaumaturgy from Conjury is one such example that they've admitted to. I think it's safe to say that the battle team will sometimes say, "These are WHM Job skills because they'd be OP if they could be cross-classed or available to CNJ," and then the lore team says, "Welp, time to sweep that under the rug."

I'm a big supporter of "if the game says you can, you should be able to do so," which is why I advocate different approaches to using Succor or, indeed, using spells that the game classifies as Succor in a way that makes them not Succor. If your character's a skilled conjuror, surely they've created some spells of their own, perhaps some to keep people in the fight with less effort (Regen)? That big explosion of light you do (Holy)? Why, that's just a lightning-aspected spell (since we know that conjurers, per lore, have access to elemental magic). On the black mage side, that's not the "Flare" of the War of the Magi, it's just a customized, augmented fire spell.

To paraphrase a common (and silly, when you think about it) saying, when the lore team closes a door, they open a window. XIV really doesn't ban much of anything, and even when it bans one approach, others still exist, ready to be employed by the enterprising RPer.

This is the perfect point. I personally believe that SE keeps the lore really loosely defined to keep one of the big visions behind at least the original final fantasy alive. The whole the player being in control of the story, though this could only be done to an extent since there still needs to be some sort of story for the player to follow. They want the player to have an extent of control over what goes on in the game. Though it is much harder to accomplish in a mmo setting I still think they try their best to stick with it. Give the player enough information to be able to create a character off of. 

Though more on topic there is a good chance of some people who would try to harass you about breaking the lore, since some people tend to take anything a character says about themselves as what their character is saying is 100% true. They get so caught up in telling people off about how they are a lore breaker they don't really take the time to think that there are other factors contributing to why they are claiming that point. 

If it's something your character would do, go for it. Hopefully you find a lot of gullible people to believe her. I mean S'imba is at least gullible enough to fall for most anything someone claims to be.