(07-10-2016, 02:59 PM)Yandros Wrote: It really comes down to what people have said.  Out of the races in game, Lalafell hold the highest chance of being trollplayers.  Those folks that are obviously out to troll and bother you, but the moment you call them out, cry about how "I was just IC!  It is how my character is!".  
As well, as others pointed out, there are those who sexualize Lalafell in completely creepy ways.  Or they just act like utter creeps.  Such as, I've learned that on a roe lady?  Don't wear a dress.  Doesn't matter where I go (as in, it happens outside the Quicksand), I will have a lala target me and walk under the dress.  Typically followed by either an emote or a tell about how they are looking up my lady's dress/skirt.

So yeah, after pretty much -all- my experiences with Lalafell falling into one of those categories?  I am hesitant to rp with them.

(07-10-2016, 03:41 PM)As Wrote: Yea, most of my Lalafell experiences have been pretty bad outside of my FC.

That being said, one of my very first random roleplay on Balmung was with a Lalafell and it was the best interaction I've had in a good while back then. I regret not adding him to my friend's list and I do not remember his name. 

(07-10-2016, 07:33 PM)ExAtomos Wrote:

(07-10-2016, 02:59 PM)Yandros Wrote: It really comes down to what people have said.  Out of the races in game, Lalafell hold the highest chance of being trollplayers.  Those folks that are obviously out to troll and bother you, but the moment you call them out, cry about how "I was just IC!  It is how my character is!".  
As well, as others pointed out, there are those who sexualize Lalafell in completely creepy ways.  Or they just act like utter creeps.  Such as, I've learned that on a roe lady?  Don't wear a dress.  Doesn't matter where I go (as in, it happens outside the Quicksand), I will have a lala target me and walk under the dress.  Typically followed by either an emote or a tell about how they are looking up my lady's dress/skirt.

So yeah, after pretty much -all- my experiences with Lalafell falling into one of those categories?  I am hesitant to rp with them.

(07-10-2016, 03:41 PM)As Wrote: Yea, most of my Lalafell experiences have been pretty bad outside of my FC.

That being said, one of my very first random roleplay on Balmung was with a Lalafell and it was the best interaction I've had in a good while back then. I regret not adding him to my friend's list and I do not remember his name. 

Arg... that really sucks.

While I certainly understand the reaction, I do wish that lalas wouldn't be painted with the same broad brush. I mean, what can I do to change attitudes? :/ I RP Ralin with the same thoughtfulness I do all of my characters, but to not be given a chance? ._.

(On my old server, I changed my gameplay main from midlander to lala for about half a year. Had someone, a friend at that, spam the disgust emote at me whenever he saw me from then on. I've had folks on Balmung talk about hurting or killing my lala alt and joke about how I can't possibly hurt them back. It's funny the first time, but gets old fast. I've definitely been on the receiving end of some lala hate. lol.)

(07-10-2016, 07:33 PM)ExAtomos Wrote: Arg... that really sucks.

While I certainly understand the reaction, I do wish that lalas wouldn't be painted with the same broad brush. I mean, what can I do to change attitudes? :/ I RP Ralin with the same thoughtfulness I do all of my characters, but to not be given a chance? ._.

(On my old server, I changed my gameplay main from midlander to lala for about half a year. Had someone, a friend at that, spam the disgust emote at me whenever he saw me from then on. I've had folks on Balmung talk about hurting or killing my lala alt and joke about how I can't possibly hurt them back. It's funny the first time, but gets old fast. I've definitely been on the receiving end of some lala hate. lol.)

(07-10-2016, 08:07 PM)Yandros Wrote:

(07-10-2016, 07:33 PM)ExAtomos Wrote: Arg... that really sucks.

While I certainly understand the reaction, I do wish that lalas wouldn't be painted with the same broad brush. I mean, what can I do to change attitudes? :/ I RP Ralin with the same thoughtfulness I do all of my characters, but to not be given a chance? ._.

(On my old server, I changed my gameplay main from midlander to lala for about half a year. Had someone, a friend at that, spam the disgust emote at me whenever he saw me from then on. I've had folks on Balmung talk about hurting or killing my lala alt and joke about how I can't possibly hurt them back. It's funny the first time, but gets old fast. I've definitely been on the receiving end of some lala hate. lol.)

Unfortunately I know the hate.  I used to play both blood elves and pandaren in WoW, and both were on the receiving side of a fair amount of player bias.

The best thing that I can suggest doing?  Is honestly just start slowly.  Make friends with people OOC, and reassure them that your lala is not the same as others.  Then, roleplay with them in public.  People will see that, and honestly?  It will stick in their brain.  They may not put you on their friend's list or anything, but chances are they will at least think twice the next time they run into you.  Which is at least a start.

But in the end, and here is where the jaded cynical side of me speaks.  You just cannot change public opinion easily.  Or even effectively.  There are too many lala out there who are perfectly content to play the creeper.  And there are too many out there to play the troll.  Until the ratio changes, to where the majority are not creepy little trolls?  Then yeah, the hate will not change.  And right now?  Lalas are creepy little trolls, by a wide wide WIDE margin.

(07-10-2016, 11:10 PM)Yandros Wrote: Caspar, I stand fully by what I said.  It is what I have experienced, and how I both view the subject matter and how I choose to play.  Kinda sorry not sorry that it seems to have bothered you so much?  But in the end, yeah.  After bad experiences with creeps, I tend to take a:  "Show me you are different, and I will happily rp with you" viewpoint.  Maybe that is not the nicest way to play, but it saves me drama in the game.

Beyond that, I offered what I thought was actually a decent solution.  You have to show that you are different, when public opinion and thought says things are of a specific way.  It sucks, but that is just life.

However this is the last I am going to post here.  It is getting towards the more argumentative side of discussion, at least in my eyes.  So if you would like to continue, feel free to send a PM.  Otherwise, I am not going to clog up a person's thread.

Quote:Aw man, I feel for you. I played Altmer in TESO, it was a huge struggle to not be seen as a designated villain - I had a particularly memorable incident where my priestess character was talking politely to an (also Altmer) military officer at a market, and like three different Khajiit guards came up and went "Not making any trouble are you?!" It ended up being this kind of embarrassing scene with several guards because two dang elves were having tea and conversation.

My suggestion would be to just keep trying - eventually you'll run into people who are actually decent, and the ones who go "omg no lalafels pls" or ignore you, honestly, probably aren't worth RPing with in the first place.

(07-10-2016, 11:40 PM)Caspar Wrote:

(07-10-2016, 11:10 PM)Yandros Wrote: Caspar, I stand fully by what I said.  It is what I have experienced, and how I both view the subject matter and how I choose to play.  Kinda sorry not sorry that it seems to have bothered you so much?  But in the end, yeah.  After bad experiences with creeps, I tend to take a:  "Show me you are different, and I will happily rp with you" viewpoint.  Maybe that is not the nicest way to play, but it saves me drama in the game.

Beyond that, I offered what I thought was actually a decent solution.  You have to show that you are different, when public opinion and thought says things are of a specific way.  It sucks, but that is just life.

However this is the last I am going to post here.  It is getting towards the more argumentative side of discussion, at least in my eyes.  So if you would like to continue, feel free to send a PM.  Otherwise, I am not going to clog up a person's thread.

I'm not offended, I simply think that way of thinking is wrong. People aren't perfect and you've every right to do things your own way. Likewise, I'm going to point out when I think an attitude does nobody any good whatsoever.

Quote:Aw man, I feel for you. I played Altmer in TESO, it was a huge struggle to not be seen as a designated villain - I had a particularly memorable incident where my priestess character was talking politely to an (also Altmer) military officer at a market, and like three different Khajiit guards came up and went "Not making any trouble are you?!" It ended up being this kind of embarrassing scene with several guards because two dang elves were having tea and conversation.

My suggestion would be to just keep trying - eventually you'll run into people who are actually decent, and the ones who go "omg no lalafels pls" or ignore you, honestly, probably aren't worth RPing with in the first place.

It's interesting to see that kind of "racial profiling" in a game though. I mean, it can create some pretty interesting situations. I don't know much about TES lore, but I guess they're often seen as criminals or villains?

In such cases where natural suspicion is warranted by the lore, I can kinda understand the player's actions. It's when the player has an unreasonable OOC bias and it ruins both their play and the play of others that I can't excuse them. I can forgive a lot, but I want others to judge me on a basis of my play first and foremost, rather than concept, assumption or precedent.

(07-10-2016, 08:07 PM)Yandros Wrote: There are too many lala out there who are perfectly content to play the creeper.  And there are too many out there to play the troll.  Until the ratio changes, to where the majority are not creepy little trolls?  Then yeah, the hate will not change.  And right now?  Lalas are creepy little trolls, by a wide wide WIDE margin.