Hydaelyn Role-Players

with contempt

I used them on Ave, seeming they are given when you finished your novice status as a Monk; however Ave's a dick in that regard, and only Monks who have been given one back in Ala Mhigo are worthy of them, else she will be severely tempted to take it from you if you happen to flaunt one around if said char logically not has the age to be Ala Mhigo temple trained, finding it a huge disgrace/insult to the Order ect.

It's fun to roleplay an older grumpy Monk in that regard. That said, except for the classes people pointed out so far I don't really see soulstones as something one MUST have to roleplay a class, so I don't mind if people use or not use them. They can add something to roleplay, but they are far from mandatory for most classes.

For me? I treat 'em as a badge of office, not necessarily a magical steroid rock.

ICly? They'd raise questions for my cast. ESPECIALLY if someone claims to be a Job from the DoM line. I wouldn't shun the RPer outright, but my chars would meet it with due logic.

"Whoa, shiny rock! Can I touch?"

To me, soulstones are simply shortcuts to knowledge and thus power. Kinda like rare candies. So I tend to not use them, I prefer to get EVs. But I acknowledge the lore around them and if I wanted my character to quickly learn a skill that would require years generations of research and practice, I'd most likely develop a plot around the search of a soulstone.

When I think about it, they got quite a bit of joke potential, though. Imagine someone carved his bedroom successes into the stone instead of anything useful related to the job. And the aspiring (and mildly disturbed) scholar suddenly awakes the knowledge of ancient allagan positions.

The concept of soulstones is quite interesting IMO. They're just a pretty cheap way to quickly gain power, so they're best used in moderation.

They're a plot device, that can be applied to great effect or no.

Kell would probably be like "what the fuck?" though due to the singular nature of his being.

Just an FYI, if you don't RP possessing a Soulstone, you cannot RP classification of a Job. Jobs require Soulstones. You can RP a class, but not a job. You can be a Conjurer but not a White Mage (which is unlikely anyway). You can be a Marauder but not a Warrior. You can be an Archer but not a Bard.

A Bard without a Soulstone is just an archer than plays a lute and sings. There is little to no power behind that music. It is the Soulstone that allows you to channel aether in that manner.

It is a Soulstone that allows an Ul'Dahan Pugilist to access the ability to channel aether the way a Monk does.


Now, this does not mean you have to RP a job. Most RPers other than Machinists, Astrologians, and Dark Knights seems to RP more as the class than the Job because you have a lot more freedom RPing the Class than you do as a highly specialized and specific Job. Astro, Mach, and Dark are classless jobs and are an acception, as the path from class to job is long and arduous.

What you do have to do is acknowledge that Jobholders are Soulstone holders.

You cannot deny the existence of things that are inconvenient to the way you want your character. Teleporting exists- it is a long, expensive process and most people would either prefer to walk, don't trust it, or just plain can't.
Moogles exist- and you are kupo no matter what. Deal with it. *sunglasses*.
Dark Knights are powered by emotion. They are essentially Raven from Teen Titans and that's that.
Miqo'te have harems. Ishgardians are uppity. Female Roe have big boobs. The Sultana is kawaii as fuck.

Deal with it.

(10-21-2015, 08:44 AM)Vyce Wrote: [ -> ]Just an FYI, if you don't RP possessing a Soulstone, you cannot RP classification of a Job. Jobs require Soulstones. You can RP a class, but not a job. You can be a Conjurer but not a White Mage (which is unlikely anyway). You can be a Marauder but not a Warrior. You can be an Archer but not a Bard.

A Bard without a Soulstone is just an archer than plays a lute and sings. There is little to no power behind that music. It is the Soulstone that allows you to channel aether in that manner.

It is a Soulstone that allows an Ul'Dahan Pugilist to access the ability to channel aether the way a Monk does.


Now, this does not mean you have to RP a job. Most RPers other than Machinists, Astrologians, and Dark Knights seems to RP more as the class than the Job because you have a lot more freedom RPing the Class than you do as a highly specialized and specific Job. Astro, Mach, and Dark are classless jobs and are an acception, as the path from class to job is long and arduous.

What you do have to do is acknowledge that Jobholders are Soulstone holders.

That's not quite accurate, actually. A soul crystal, lorewise is not NEEDED for all jobs (I'm unsure of the exception listing, I'll have to confirm). It's a good way to mix game mechanics and lore, yes! However, a good few jobs don't really need them. The soul crystals (not soulstones, people, that's WoW warlock magic) contain therein the memories, deeds and the knowledge of their old holders, which may help give the new holder insight or even the knowledge itself on how to do their job, so to speak. This is largely because the 'jobs' are mostly old arts that are in a state of revival (Of course, there are exceptions to this like Paladin). 

It's perfectly plausible for someone -- say, a pugilist -- to open a chakra and be classified as a monk without having a soul crystal. In fact, Widargelt outright says that the crystals were given to novice monks who had already done that and shown potential. For your toon to count as the job, you need to equip the soul crystal, yes! For your character to be classified as the job, all they need to do is go after the art, study it/practice it/whatever it. Jobs (with notable exceptions) are not locked behind soul crystal possession.

(10-21-2015, 08:44 AM)Vyce Wrote: [ -> ]It is a Soulstone that allows an Ul'Dahan Pugilist to access the ability to channel aether the way a Monk does.

Vyce, you should really, really learn to dig into lore before posting. Pugilists don't use soulstones, Monks do, however it doesn't suddenly unlocked your super saiyan aether wielding by touching a magical stone.

Monk 30 quest screenshots




PS for some reason I managed to screen him only with his eyes closed lol

If Aaron knew what soul crystals were he'd be wondering why he's wasted all his time practicing with skills when pretty rocks can just give him what he needs to be successful.

(10-21-2015, 08:59 AM)Virella Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-21-2015, 08:44 AM)Vyce Wrote: [ -> ]It is a Soulstone that allows an Ul'Dahan Pugilist to access the ability to channel aether the way a Monk does.

Vyce, you should really, really learn to dig into lore before posting. Pugilists don't use soulstones, Monks do, however it doesn't suddenly unlocked your super saiyan aether wielding by touching a magical stone.

Monk 30 quest screenshots




PS for some reason I managed to screen him only with his eyes closed lol

He looks so weeb with closed eyes.

WAR also doesn't require a soul crystal.

Especially since by the end of the level 60 Job quest Limsa is looking to crank out it's own platoon of the things and the only known soul crystal for the job has been in your hands the entire time.  Both Gorge and his Brother don't use one and still Warrior (Badly) until you "fix" the training process for them.

Soul crystals are, in most cases, a learning catalyst that keeps adding to itself for every bearer it has. You resonate with it, maybe you see into one facet and one bearer's life more since that's more your 'style' of whatever that crystal is trying to teach.

(10-21-2015, 09:11 AM)Aaron Wrote: [ -> ]If Aaron knew what soul crystals were he'd be wondering why he's wasted all his time practicing with skills when pretty rocks can just give him what he needs to be successful.

Considering most of them contain lost knowledge, his efforts are probably futile.

Imagine trying to be a Black Mage without it. Or a Scholar.

(10-21-2015, 09:30 AM)Vyce Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-21-2015, 09:11 AM)Aaron Wrote: [ -> ]If Aaron knew what soul crystals were he'd be wondering why he's wasted all his time practicing with skills when pretty rocks can just give him what he needs to be successful.

Considering most of them contain lost knowledge, his efforts are probably futile.

Imagine trying to be a Black Mage without it. Or a Scholar.

He's not a mage.I'm talking the physical classes.

(10-21-2015, 09:30 AM)Hammersmith Wrote: [ -> ]WAR also doesn't require a soul crystal.

Especially since by the end of the level 60 Job quest Limsa is looking to crank out it's own platoon of the things and the only known soul crystal for the job has been in your hands the entire time.  Both Gorge and his Brother don't use one and still Warrior (Badly) until you "fix" the training process for them.

Soul crystals are, in most cases, a learning catalyst that keeps adding to itself for every bearer it has.  You resonate with it, maybe you see into one facet and one bearer's life more since that's more your 'style' of whatever that crystal is trying to teach.

I beg to differ:

http://ffxiv.consolegameswiki.com/wiki/P...e_Mountain)

"Duly impressed by your strength, Curious Gorge presents you with the Soul of the Warrior. When your inner beast awakens, he explains, the runes will resonate, granting you such strength as you never thought possible."

This explicitly states that the Warrior soul crystal augments your abilities. Of course, you must be a skilled fighter to even access your inner beast to trigger the runes in the first place, but yeah.

(10-21-2015, 09:34 AM)Vyce Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-21-2015, 09:30 AM)Hammersmith Wrote: [ -> ]WAR also doesn't require a soul crystal.

Especially since by the end of the level 60 Job quest Limsa is looking to crank out it's own platoon of the things and the only known soul crystal for the job has been in your hands the entire time.  Both Gorge and his Brother don't use one and still Warrior (Badly) until you "fix" the training process for them.

Soul crystals are, in most cases, a learning catalyst that keeps adding to itself for every bearer it has.  You resonate with it, maybe you see into one facet and one bearer's life more since that's more your 'style' of whatever that crystal is trying to teach.

I beg to differ:

http://ffxiv.consolegameswiki.com/wiki/P...e_Mountain)

"Duly impressed by your strength, Curious Gorge presents you with the Soul of the Warrior. When your inner beast awakens, he explains, the runes will resonate, granting you such strength as you never thought possible."

This explicitly states that the Warrior soul crystal augments your abilities. Of course, you must be a skilled fighter to even access your inner beast to trigger the runes in the first place, but yeah.

"When your inner beast awakens, he explains, the runes will resonate"

Another way of reading this, and the correct one I think, is that your inner beast, the defining characteristic of a Warrior, can wake up regardless of soul stone possession.
The stone just shows you -real quick- how to make it into an axe murdering machine.

The soul crystal becomes useful when you already match the job description it's tied to, but at no point in the process does it ever state it's required for access to anything. If anything it's a good divining rod for people who have the Beast up and running already.

"Oh.  This guy wants to be a berserking fury fueled horrorshow and has the potential already.  Let's show him how to do that REAL GOOD REAL FAST"

And, as demonstrated in the Warrior quests, the knowledge you get from it might not be power you can -handle yet-. Out of all of the jobs, Warriors not needing, and not USING soulstones regularly makes a lot of sense. The fact that the stone itself says it's only useful after you've already woken up the beast, combined with Limsa's Warrior Training Program, combined with the fact there's just the one Warrior stone (Bear and Gorge were using the same one as you, all three of you were studying the one stone's effects on a burgeoning warrior....gorge and Bear just got the shaft end of that) means the Soul Crystal is USEFUL AS HELL for speeding the training as a catalyst (Or fucking you over by giving you insight into the beast that you can't control) but not required to start the process.