07-12-2017, 10:22 AM
(07-12-2017, 06:49 AM)Valence Wrote: [ -> ]Just want to touch up on one thing here... Red magic isn't truly black or white magic, the combination is it's own being. So for a red mage of that time that decided to abandon one or the other for this new discipline, is capable of performing red magic but also would be capable of amplifying their power with ambient aether... But at that point, it would become black/white magic respectively again. If a red mage is casting Fire IV when he used to be a BLM, that probably counts as black magic and would be illegal since it's doing everything that a black mage would do, just putting itself under a new title. The difference therein lies which discipline is used, red magic in no means as what it is defined as, is "harmful" to the planet or your own being in any way.(07-11-2017, 03:25 PM)Val Wrote: [ -> ]*snips*
Red Magic takes aether from the user like Thaumaturgy/Arcanima does yes. And like Conjury can. Or like a BLM or any WHM can. Red Magic however still remains a combination of Black and White magic, and as such, can draw upon the land like the former do. I don't have the specific quote under hand anymore from the RDM questline, but if I remember correctly it's said that RDM founders especially imposed upon themselves not to draw from the land: it is thus a self imposed constraint and not especially part of the mechanics behind the magic.
Crossing the border of using ambient aether is really what sounds like is illegal or why it was banned. It's also the separation in the two disciplines since red magic just uses more basic and non-harmful spells but "accelerated". Verthunder is just a simple thunder but amplified a bit, no powerful void magicks or draining of any kind would be used. I guess my point here is, while it is self imposed, it's also what defined and created the discipline to be what it is. To do otherwise would just be the other two disciplines and thereby breaking it's own rules and the laws addressed respectively.
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RDM level 60 quest spoiler stuffAlso, considering how Lambard decided red magic wasn't quite enough and he wanted to maintain this idea while still gaining more power... He ended up understanding he can still be his noble red mage ass by just draining the life out of his opponents to sustain himself and his own power. I know ths was all Lilith and etc, but I imagine his mentality while skewed, was thought to be ingenious since it bypasses the rule of abusing the aether by simple stealing it, so to speak. Though I'd assume he was breaking plenty of other laws considering the amount of murders and deaths he's caused anyways... just the point that he's still using red magic and obeying the concepts that dictate the discipline, just using an alternative source that doesn't break this to help amplify his spells even further than red magic already takes it.