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RE: Too much woman to handle? - Flashhelix - 03-17-2015

(03-17-2015, 03:50 PM)Aya Wrote:
(03-17-2015, 03:46 PM)Flashhelix Wrote: I wish.
Here's the thing.  I disagree with you.  I do not care for the way they have characterized Female Au Ra.  I have my reasons for such, which I have expressed.  I don't think they're sinister.  I don't think they're stupid.  I don't think they've made a bad decision.  I don't think people who disagree with me are wrong.  I simply do not care for their aesthetic choice.  Will it work out? Yes, no doubt it will.  Are many people happy with it? Yes, yes they are.  Should that change my opinion? I don't really think so. 

I'm happy for those looking forward to Au Ra, its always good to have things to look forward to, and SE deserves all sorts of credit for coming up with content and additions that have people so excited.

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RE: Too much woman to handle? - MadWater - 03-17-2015

One wonders, though, why they didn't go with the same setup as the Hyur; they have two clans to play with. Why not make "highlander" Au Ra and "midlander" Au Ra? Seems like everyone'd be happy.

I don't really have a dog in this fight though, because I won't be making an Au Ra. Both sides have decent arguments, but ultimately we're stuck with Square's decision.

RE: Too much woman to handle? - Bryn - 03-17-2015

Well, it seems like there's plenty of interest in here at least. I admit that the fem Au Ra - as we've seen them - are not my cup of tea, personally. But perhaps I'm being hasty, and the customization options will be amazing. Here's hoping.

RE: Too much woman to handle? - Flickering Ember - 03-17-2015

(03-17-2015, 03:33 PM)Sylas Wrote: [Image: shaq-often-calls-hoopz-my-buddy.jpg]

SEXUAL DIMORPHISM!

Okay, but real talk just to head off some of the witty rebuttals. I know that using humans is a poor example, but things like sexual dimorphism to an extreme degree does exist in the real world. Is it a shame that they can't give each race a dramatic height slider? Sure! But they need to keep the silhouette of each race unique and size is a big part of that.

Female roegadyns DO have a dramatic height slider though. It is a one foot range versus 4/5 inches. Most races and genders only have a range of 4. So, it could be done and they could really appeal to some of the minority players like myself by just introducing a variety of options in the character screen. Here's hoping benchmark doesn't disappoint.

That picture bothers me a little. The folks in the picture are an exceptional couple as far as humans go. They are outliers and not the norm. Everyday real life humans aren't THAT sexual dimorphic. I find that in fantasy, that dimorphism is typically exaggerated. The picture, I don't feel, makes a strong case for Au Ra. I would say using animal species who already have sexual dimorphism as norm is a better example.

RE: Too much woman to handle? - Berrod Armstrong - 03-17-2015

(03-17-2015, 03:52 PM)Flickering Ember Wrote:
(03-17-2015, 03:33 PM)Sylas Wrote: [Image: shaq-often-calls-hoopz-my-buddy.jpg]

SEXUAL DIMORPHISM!

Okay, but real talk just to head off some of the witty rebuttals. I know that using humans is a poor example, but things like sexual dimorphism to an extreme degree does exist in the real world. Is it a shame that they can't give each race a dramatic height slider? Sure! But they need to keep the silhouette of each race unique and size is a big part of that.

Female roegadyns DO have a dramatic height slider though. It is a one foot range versus 4/5 inches. Most races and genders only have a range of 4. So, it could be done and they could really appeal to some of the minority players like myself by just introducing a variety of options in the character screen. Here's hoping benchmark doesn't disappoint.

That picture bothers me a little. The folks in the picture are an exceptional couple as far as humans go. They are outliers and not the norm. Everyday real life humans aren't THAT sexual dimorphic. I find that in fantasy, that dimorphism is typically exaggerated. The picture, I don't feel, makes a strong case for Au Ra. I would say using animal species who already have sexual dimorphism as norm is a better example.
Accctuallyyyyy, that's pretty much the height difference between my friend and his sister, not to mention it's very similar to that between myself and some of my co-workers (Four foot nine?! GOOD LORD WOMAN). It's not all that uncommon! It's not really wise to just declare something as exceptional or an outlier without knowing for sure!

I do agree that using the animal species would be a better example though. It would also help them fill the 'bestial' quota. 

In this case, the bestial features may not be muscles, sharp teeth or claws, but simply the tail, scales and the sexual dimorphism.

RE: Too much woman to handle? - Seriphyn - 03-17-2015

(03-17-2015, 03:14 PM)Flickering Ember Wrote:
(03-17-2015, 03:04 PM)Aya Wrote:
(03-17-2015, 02:59 PM)Verad Wrote: I get it, really. It would be much better if the Au Ra were used to help provide a transformative, progressive model of character design in verisimilitude by having non-standard, non-idealized body types. I'm sorry that didn't happen.
What bothers me is the degree of sexual dimorphism introduced simply to appeal to conventional notions of attractiveness: Males can be beastly.  Females cannot.

I don't care for that. The style of the race should make sense as a holistic whole.  It doesn't, and the reason is because they were afraid the player base would reject a beastly female.  I don't see a positive in this, though it is not surprising.

I'm just going to quote this for emphasis because Aya is much better at wording things than I am. This is the reason why I don't like the sexual dimorphism in Au Ra.

Fourthed.

Now, people who want to play Au Ra females...the question is if they'll still play them if they weren't all Barbies-with-Horns, but closer to the males. Same idea if people would still play Miqo'te if they looked like Khajiit.

My problem is that the quote from SE basically says they value fan service over artistic integrity. This may or may not set a negative precedent for FFXIV in the future. Prejudicially and unfairly, I therefore see anyone playing Fem Ra as complicit in supporting this sort of fan service and justifying SE's belief that they should cater with KAWAII first and making a realistic world second.

On the other hand, I suppose it's a cultural thing. FFXIV is a Japanese MMO, and complaining about the aesthetic would be like going to Texas and yelling JESUS WHY IS IT SO TEXAN HERE.


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RE: Too much woman to handle? - Arelian - 03-17-2015

(03-17-2015, 03:58 PM)Seriphyn Wrote:
(03-17-2015, 03:14 PM)Flickering Ember Wrote:
(03-17-2015, 03:04 PM)Aya Wrote:
(03-17-2015, 02:59 PM)Verad Wrote: I get it, really. It would be much better if the Au Ra were used to help provide a transformative, progressive model of character design in verisimilitude by having non-standard, non-idealized body types. I'm sorry that didn't happen.
What bothers me is the degree of sexual dimorphism introduced simply to appeal to conventional notions of attractiveness: Males can be beastly.  Females cannot.

I don't care for that. The style of the race should make sense as a holistic whole.  It doesn't, and the reason is because they were afraid the player base would reject a beastly female.  I don't see a positive in this, though it is not surprising.

I'm just going to quote this for emphasis because Aya is much better at wording things than I am. This is the reason why I don't like the sexual dimorphism in Au Ra.

Fourthed.

Now, people who want to play Au Ra females...the question is if they'll still play them if they weren't all Barbies-with-Horns, but closer to the males. Same idea if people would still play Miqo'te if they looked like Khajiit.

My problem is that the quote from SE basically says they value fan service over artistic integrity. This may or may not set a negative precedent for FFXIV in the future. Prejudicially and unfairly, I therefore see anyone playing Fem Ra as complicit in supporting this sort of fan service and justifying SE's belief that they should cater with KAWAII first and making a realistic world second.

On the other hand, I suppose it's a cultural thing. FFXIV is a Japanese MMO, and complaining about the aesthetic would be like going to Texas and yelling JESUS WHY IS IT SO TEXAN HERE.


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I was going to say that this is genuinely one of the most ignorant and idiotic things I've ever seen on these forums, and that's absolutely incredible, until I got to the end.

You almost got me there. Christ on a cracker.

RE: Too much woman to handle? - Nara'to - 03-17-2015

My character Nara'to starts turning so many shades of red when he comes across most Highlander and Roeg women.  He tends to prefer them over the other races, even his own.  Though him being shy makes any sort of interaction with any pretty much impossible.  Unless of course they just happen to catch him looking then snatch him up.

Aside from that though I somewhat regret going Miqo'te and would use my Fantasia potion in a heartbeat.  Since I can't get a free name change as well I'm stuck with what I chose.  I love Miqo'te don't get me wrong, it just feels like because I chose what I enjoy that no one wants to associate with him because so many people show their distaste for Miqo'te in general.

I'd go Hyur in a heartbeat if it meant he would eventually be able to find someone to romance IC.  I just get the feeling no one likes male Miqo'te.  Especially shy ones such as him.

RE: Too much woman to handle? - Edvyn - 03-17-2015

female highlanders shouldnt even exist imo none of the highlanders in the movies were female

RE: Too much woman to handle? - Zelmanov - 03-17-2015

Send me all the Roegadames and Highlander Women! I am not scared!

in fact I find highlander women have a more aggressive fun look to them, almost wolf-like.

RE: Too much woman to handle? - Melkire - 03-17-2015

(03-17-2015, 03:35 PM)Berrod Armstrong Wrote: It means, that if YOU HAVE an idea for a race, and several other people share it with you, YOUR VOICES can be heard and influence the content of your product!

Not if you are a minority, because the plurality almost always comes first when it comes to video game products. Deviations from this approach by big business are rare because, as stated, deviations constitute a risk as opposed to a safe and assured profit margin.

Don't believe me?

Ask yourself what happened to the space simulator genre and Six Degrees of Freedom games such as Descent.

The answer to that is that those genres, along with old-school arena shooters, are only coming back thanks to indie and grass-roots communities and developers and start-ups. The minority had to make themselves what they wanted, because the plurality wouldn't give it to them anymore.


EDIT: Coincidentally, this is also partly the reason why ARR's first expansion has to do with DRAGONS, because everyone likes DRAGONS and DRAGONS are COOL and DRAGONS will SELL.

RE: Too much woman to handle? - K'nahli - 03-17-2015

(03-17-2015, 03:58 PM)Seriphyn Wrote: Now, people who want to play Au Ra females...the question is if they'll still play them if they weren't all Barbies-with-Horns, but closer to the males. Same idea if people would still play Miqo'te if they looked like Khajiit.

I think that's a little dramatic to be fair. Sure, the females are pretty... but so is practically every other race out there. I'm sure that you can just as easily make an "ugly" Au Ra like you can with existing races.

To answer your question though, I can't say. I'm unsure if I'll even make a female Au Ra as it stands, and even if I do there's just no telling without having first seen a "more bestial" version. Possibly though.

I do NOT like Khajit but Firran from Archeage would have been workable. The only reason my main is a miqo'te is because my friend suggested that I make a sister character for her alt when I showed interest in playing FF.

RE: Too much woman to handle? - Aya - 03-17-2015

I play a barbie!  That actually was the first thing Aya-Midlander got called by an FC-mate after I switched from Highlander.

RE: Too much woman to handle? - Ha'uruh Nunh - 03-17-2015

I plan to play an Au Ra girl.  To me, their aesthetic combines Miqo'te delicate facial features with an Elezen-like body shape.  It surprises me that more people aren't comparing them to Elezen actually, because body wise they seem mostly Elezen to me.  Amusing since Yugiri was clearly animated on a female Miqo frame.

RE: Too much woman to handle? - Dogberry - 03-17-2015

(03-17-2015, 04:07 PM)Edvyn Wrote: female highlanders shouldnt even exist imo none of the highlanders in the movies were female

Amanda Darrieux and Felicia Martins. Not in the movies, but the movies made the series canon.