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RE: Plausibility of Vampire RP - Val - 09-22-2015
(09-22-2015, 01:35 PM)Sounsyy Wrote:(09-22-2015, 01:23 PM)Val Wrote: If that's the case, we have Miqo'te dragoons because...?(09-22-2015, 01:24 PM)Flashhelix Wrote:(09-22-2015, 01:20 PM)Sounsyy Wrote: So... we can cherrypick the lore now based on whether or not we feel the mass culling of unfortunately named flying cephalopods is humorous or not?
I thought the point of this thread was that we can RP however we want???????
Not sure what either of these posts has to do with anything, but knock yourself out Val.
But now it's okay to assume based on what we see? I haven't seen a single miqo'te NPC in Ishgard outside of any recent immigrants, nor have I seen a single Miqo'te NPC dragoon and there is no flavor text relating to it afaik, so they must not exist.
RE: Plausibility of Vampire RP - Warren Castille - 09-22-2015
It could be argued that in the case of novelty stuff, it's there for amusement or costuming more than establishing lore.
The challenge then becomes declaring what's a novelty and what is not.
RE: Plausibility of Vampire RP - Cato - 09-22-2015
I don't believe that it's necessarily a bad thing to 'cherry pick' which aspects of the lore are taken at face value and which are seen as being more of a playful jest. There's some pretty intriguing scraps of lore hidden away within the Hildibrand side quests, for example, but the overall tone of the rest of the quests are very slapstick and doesn't really align with how Eorzea is painted elsewhere.
I wouldn't bother touching FFXIV at all if the bulk of content revolved around Hildibrand style antics. As something confined to a specific set of side quests, however, I can stomach it easily enough. Yet if it were to become the norm or people started to consider it as such? Well, I'd find some other MMO to play instead.
RE: Plausibility of Vampire RP - Val - 09-22-2015
(09-22-2015, 01:42 PM)Warren Castille Wrote: It could be argued that in the case of novelty stuff, it's there for amusement or costuming more than establishing lore. This is what I'm getting at. Flavor text =/= truth, as it has been used not only in XIV, but many other games and things to add.. well. Flavor. If you don't have sound lore, you shouldn't be going to the flavor text to find it like some kind of starved crack-fiend. It's the fault of the devs for not making it clear and abundant. The fact that one case of joke flavor text exists means that others must.
The challenge then becomes declaring what's a novelty and what is not.
RE: Plausibility of Vampire RP - Warren Castille - 09-22-2015
(09-22-2015, 01:44 PM)Val Wrote:(09-22-2015, 01:42 PM)Warren Castille Wrote: It could be argued that in the case of novelty stuff, it's there for amusement or costuming more than establishing lore. This is what I'm getting at. Flavor text =/= truth, as it has been used not only in XIV, but many other games and things to add.. well. Flavor. If you don't have sound lore, you shouldn't be going to the flavor text to find it like some kind of starved crack-fiend. It's the fault of the devs for not making it clear and abundant. The fact that one case of joke flavor text exists means that others must.
The challenge then becomes declaring what's a novelty and what is not.
Multiple items mention "vampire" in some form, complete with the trappings of the myth as we know it. It's not exactly the same case of Fantasia, which isn't referenced by anything else. Sure, we could say the cephalapod is joke flavor text, but the vampire fish? Reference to vampire bats? The term "vampire" had to come from somewhere, and not all of those descriptions get silly joke language in them.
We have no hard confirmation, but we have multiple soft ones, coming from things that are completely unrelated and all showcasing the same themes.
RE: Plausibility of Vampire RP - Val - 09-22-2015
(09-22-2015, 01:49 PM)Warren Castille Wrote:(09-22-2015, 01:44 PM)Val Wrote:(09-22-2015, 01:42 PM)Warren Castille Wrote: It could be argued that in the case of novelty stuff, it's there for amusement or costuming more than establishing lore. This is what I'm getting at. Flavor text =/= truth, as it has been used not only in XIV, but many other games and things to add.. well. Flavor. If you don't have sound lore, you shouldn't be going to the flavor text to find it like some kind of starved crack-fiend. It's the fault of the devs for not making it clear and abundant. The fact that one case of joke flavor text exists means that others must.
The challenge then becomes declaring what's a novelty and what is not.
Multiple items mention "vampire" in some form, complete with the trappings of the myth as we know it. It's not exactly the same case of Fantasia, which isn't referenced by anything else. Sure, we could say the cephalapod is joke flavor text, but the vampire fish? Reference to vampire bats? The term "vampire" had to come from somewhere, and not all of those descriptions get silly joke language in them.
We have no hard confirmation, but we have multiple soft ones, coming from things that are completely unrelated and all showcasing the same themes.
The term "vampire" could easily just be taken as a name because of its real-world denotation. It's easy to recognize and you know immediately what it entails. Until an actual vampire pops up somewhere, all we have remotely close to that are voidsent that prey on aether. This, of course, has been offered to the OP countless times but it wasn't good enough.
RE: Plausibility of Vampire RP - Berrod Armstrong - 09-22-2015
Unless the lore team explicitly says a bit of flavor text on an item (or the item itself) is not canon, I treat it as canon -- simply because at that point, the game is the most reliable source for that information; much more reliable than anything, or any opinion that had nothing to do with the development. If it's written in the game -- canon until proven otherwise. Innocent until proven guilty, of a sort.Â
I'd much rather go with a 'Lol this fish is a peen fish' bit of flavor text than a player telling me that this fish cannot be a peen fish because some of the flavor text is joking. If that is the case, then I will acknowledge the joking ones as such when, and only when the people who write the lore for the game confirm that is the case. Not to the subjective reasoning of people who have a particular way of looking at a game's lore and flavor in order to craft their style of roleplay.Â
As for the vampire thing; observe the qualities of the vampire mentions in the text Sounsyy showed us, and come up with a concept that incorporates those qualities. There's no need to play Lestat, naturally. A simple Thaumaturge who believes he needs to drink blood to extend his own aether reserves or something like that. Make a venn diagram of what the game's lore is, what you want to play, and what you know a vampire to be. Construct your concept out of the space where all three circles intersect. After that, it's all about your presentation!
RE: Plausibility of Vampire RP - V'aleera - 09-22-2015
(09-22-2015, 01:34 PM)Val Wrote: Then we must also go on the assumption that because it isn't in game, it doesn't exist? Like how there's no justification for miqo'te dragoons and such beyond the super special main character?Or how there's no lore justifying the existence of a Hyur/Miqo'te pairing that doesn't end in them getting run out of town?
RE: Plausibility of Vampire RP - Flashhelix - 09-22-2015
I honestly won't fault anybody for taking flavor text as a part of the lore, but don't get uppity and try to tell somebody that they're wrong for assuming the opposite when we've demonstrably seen that flavor text can be just that: flavor text that doesn't figure into the game's lore. Both have the same amount of ground to stand on.
(09-22-2015, 02:00 PM)Valeera Wrote: Or how there's no lore justifying the existence of a Hyur/Miqo'te pairing that doesn't end in them getting run out of town?
Calm down.
RE: Plausibility of Vampire RP - Warren Castille - 09-22-2015
Take a good look at this guy:
![[Image: latest?cb=20070916172230]](http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/ffxi/images/d/d3/Vampyr.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20070916172230)
That's the FFXI-style of Vampyr. We're probably getting one of those sooner or later.
RE: Plausibility of Vampire RP - Val - 09-22-2015
(09-22-2015, 02:00 PM)V Wrote:(09-22-2015, 01:34 PM)Val Wrote: Then we must also go on the assumption that because it isn't in game, it doesn't exist? Like how there's no justification for miqo'te dragoons and such beyond the super special main character?Or how there's no lore justifying the existence of a Hyur/Miqo'te pairing that doesn't end in them getting run out of town?
Someone's salty :v
People actually have tried to run my character out. Unlike some people, I welcome it
Also:
"Blessed by the elder primal himself, Sleipnir will forever remain loyal to those who have proven themselves worthy. In addition to being fearless in battle, the dark steed is also able to manipulate his corporeal form to accommodate any rider, large or small."
According to this flavor text, I have a super OP horse blessed by Odin himself. Sweet.
"Summon forth Twintania, an ancient wyvern who secretly dreams of freedom...and devouring you.
Bound to eternal thralldom via an Allagan neurolink, this ancient wyvern from the southern continent of Meracydia will remain a loyal servant as long as you possess its identification key."
And I get to control Twintania!!!11
RE: Plausibility of Vampire RP - McBeefâ„¢ - 09-22-2015
(09-22-2015, 02:00 PM)V Wrote:Or that there are no toilets.(09-22-2015, 01:34 PM)Val Wrote: Then we must also go on the assumption that because it isn't in game, it doesn't exist? Like how there's no justification for miqo'te dragoons and such beyond the super special main character?Or how there's no lore justifying the existence of a Hyur/Miqo'te pairing that doesn't end in them getting run out of town?
WHERE DOES THE POOP GO.
RE: Plausibility of Vampire RP - V'aleera - 09-22-2015
(09-22-2015, 02:03 PM)Val Wrote: Someone's salty :vNot at all, I was simply seeking clarity.
The fact that you have chosen to refuse to allow those people to succeed, when the only lore we have explicitly mandates that they would, proves my point however.
RE: Plausibility of Vampire RP - Oli! - 09-22-2015
(09-22-2015, 01:37 PM)Flashhelix Wrote: How do we know that any of the text relating to vampires is actually in-lore, however? There's been item text that, at first glance seems completely real, yet the devs themselves have come out and stated its non-canon nature. That is, Fantasia. So if Fantasia and the resulting flavor text isn't canon, what exactly is stopping somebody from asserting that a similar situation couldn't be happening with flavor text of another item?
It's also worth noting that some things don't really have any reason to be canon, like the wind-up FF1 sprites and the pointer hand.
They've got flavor text, but their purpose is pretty clearly just Nostalgia Factor without any further implications.
RE: Plausibility of Vampire RP - Warren Castille - 09-22-2015
Novelty items are a novelty.