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SicketySix · **09-22-2015, 01:11 PM**

Well I mean if things are acceptable from an RP from merely being mentioned in game.....then Fuck it, I am not a Highlander, I am a chocoogle. I mean hey, moogles exist in the world and so do chocobos, I mean the lore doesn't explicitly say they couldn't breed, so hey it must be okay to RP as one! Smile

Warren Castille · **09-22-2015, 01:13 PM**

(09-22-2015, 01:11 PM)Casden Reeves Wrote: Well I mean if things are acceptable from an RP from merely being mentioned in game.....then Fuck it, I am not a Highlander, I am a chocoogle. I mean hey, moogles exist in the world and so do chocobos, I mean the lore doesn't explicitly say they couldn't breed, so hey it must be okay to RP as one!

Now now. Multiple unrelated things mention vampirism and blood-drinking. That's not quite the same as smashing two things together.

V'aleera · **09-22-2015, 01:17 PM**

(09-22-2015, 01:01 PM)Val Wrote: I don't really think we should take comical flavor text clearly meant to be a joke as a serious entry to lore, though. SE has a big history with throwing things in their games just to justify an action/event/whatever that doesn't need to be. The cephalopod seems to be more a joke name than anything else, an allusion to the real world myth rather than anything in game.

That's my take from it, at least

Stated lore is canon lore, until otherwise contradicted. You don't have to like it, but you do have to acknowledge it.

If we were to strike comical text out from canon the FFXIV universe would be a heck of a lot smaller.

SicketySix · **09-22-2015, 01:17 PM**

(09-22-2015, 01:13 PM)Warren Castille Wrote:
(09-22-2015, 01:11 PM)Casden Reeves Wrote: Well I mean if things are acceptable from an RP from merely being mentioned in game.....then Fuck it, I am not a Highlander, I am a chocoogle. I mean hey, moogles exist in the world and so do chocobos, I mean the lore doesn't explicitly say they couldn't breed, so hey it must be okay to RP as one!

Now now. Multiple unrelated things mention vampirism and blood-drinking. That's not quite the same as smashing two things together.

The rebuttal I offer is that chocobos and moogles are actually a real thing, not something that is mentioned as a possibility. So it would stand to reason that at some point in maybe 100,000 years the possibility of one of them getting curious pops out an offspring.

*hippie voice*
Just think of the possibilities maaannn......

Warren Castille · **09-22-2015, 01:20 PM**

(09-22-2015, 01:17 PM)Casden Reeves Wrote:
(09-22-2015, 01:13 PM)Warren Castille Wrote:
(09-22-2015, 01:11 PM)Casden Reeves Wrote: Well I mean if things are acceptable from an RP from merely being mentioned in game.....then Fuck it, I am not a Highlander, I am a chocoogle. I mean hey, moogles exist in the world and so do chocobos, I mean the lore doesn't explicitly say they couldn't breed, so hey it must be okay to RP as one!

Now now. Multiple unrelated things mention vampirism and blood-drinking. That's not quite the same as smashing two things together.
The rebuttal I offer is that chocobos and moogles are actually a real thing, not something that is mentioned as a possibility. So it would stand to reason that at some point in maybe 100,000 years the possibility of one of them getting curious pops out an offspring.

*hippie voice*
Just think of the possibilities maaannn......

People and cats have existed on Earth for much longer, and we have zero successful crossbreeds of them. CHECKMATE, ATHEISTS.

S'imba · **09-22-2015, 01:20 PM**

(09-22-2015, 12:57 PM)McBeefâ„¢ Wrote: Basically where we're at is that vampire legends clearly exist in the folklore, and they seem to be somewhat similar to europeanÂ anime vampires.Â
Whether or not they actually exist is an open question, but the /legend/ of them does to some respect.

If you play some manner of character that sucks blood or drinks blood or needs blood to survive, calling yourself a 'vampire' isn't much of a stretch. Other characters would probably also call you a vampire, even if you'e not technically one.

I mean IClly it would be far easier to refer to a bloodsucker as a vampire. Even if they don't follow traditional vampire myth. Unless your character wants to sound like a pretentious douche and is like. "Technically." *Pushes rim of glasses up against nose* "He's not a vampire, but a bloodsucker who just happens to have a lot of traits that are consistent with vampirism."

Sounsyy · **09-22-2015, 01:20 PM**

(09-22-2015, 01:01 PM)Val Wrote: I don't really think we should take comical flavor text clearly meant to be a joke as a serious entry to lore, though. SE has a big history with throwing things in their games just to justify an action/event/whatever that doesn't need to be. The cephalopod seems to be more a joke name than anything else, an allusion to the real world myth rather than anything in game.

That's my take from it, at least

So... we can cherrypick the lore now based on whether or not we feel the mass culling of unfortunately named flying cephalopods is humorous or not?

There's a metric tonze of lore that comes from item descriptions, fishing lore, and mount/minion text. I don't see anything about the Vampiric Tapestry's text that was "clearly meant to be a joke." What it shows is that Ishgardian people are as superstitious as the rest of Eorzeans and will drive a stake through a creature's heart just because of its name. Similar to how Ishgardians culled Au Ra because of their draconic appearance.

If we are to discount these texts, we're also discounting the lore which gave us the name of Nanamo's father, the fact that Merlwyb Bloefhiswyn discovered the New World in 1556, and that during the War of the Magi, the Mhachi rode into battle on the backs of enchanted Manta Rays, which they called Magic Carpets.

Do we discount those as well? "If it's humorous, it's not canon" also eliminates the lore bomb that Ul'dah zombified Sil'dih to end the War of the Sisters 400 years ago. And if Events aren't canon we lost a lot of lore about Paladins and the Thorne Dynasty. I mean... do I really need to go on?

Val · **09-22-2015, 01:23 PM**

If that's the case, we have Miqo'te dragoons because...?

Flashhelix · **09-22-2015, 01:24 PM**

(09-22-2015, 01:20 PM)Sounsyy Wrote: So... we can cherrypick the lore now based on whether or not we feel the mass culling of unfortunately named flying cephalopods is humorous or not?

I thought the point of this thread was that we can RP however we want???????

Warren Castille · **09-22-2015, 01:26 PM**

My miqo'te dragoon is a vampire. Get dunked on, nerds.

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Val · **09-22-2015, 01:27 PM**

(09-22-2015, 01:26 PM)Warren Castille Wrote: My miqo'te dragoon is a vampire. Get dunked on, nerds.

playerhousingwhitemagesascianpadjals

My Miqo'te dragoon is half vampire, half Allagan. 3stronk5u

Melodia · **09-22-2015, 01:29 PM**

(09-22-2015, 01:20 PM)Sounsyy Wrote:
(09-22-2015, 01:01 PM)Val Wrote: I don't really think we should take comical flavor text clearly meant to be a joke as a serious entry to lore, though. SE has a big history with throwing things in their games just to justify an action/event/whatever that doesn't need to be. The cephalopod seems to be more a joke name than anything else, an allusion to the real world myth rather than anything in game.

That's my take from it, at least

So... we can cherrypick the lore now based on whether or not we feel the mass culling of unfortunately named flying cephalopods is humorous or not?

There's a metric tonze of lore that comes from item descriptions, fishing lore, and mount/minion text. I don't see anything about the Vampiric Tapestry's text that was "clearly meant to be a joke." What it shows is that Ishgardian people are as superstitious as the rest of Eorzeans and will drive a stake through a creature's heart just because of its name. Similar to how Ishgardians culled Au Ra because of their draconic appearance.

If we are to discount these texts, we're also discounting the lore which gave us the name of Nanamo's father, the fact that Merlwyb Bloefhiswyn discovered the New World in 1556, and that during the War of the Magi, the Mhachi rode into battle on the backs of enchanted Manta Rays, which they called Magic Carpets.

Do we discount those as well? "If it's humorous, it's not canon" also eliminates the lore bomb that Ul'dah zombified Sil'dih to end the War of the Sisters 400 years ago. And if Events aren't canon we lost a lot of lore about Paladins and the Thorne Dynasty. I mean... do I really need to go on?

Sounsyy's point is valid and I agree. We can't just choose to ignore something because dislike the possible implications. I for one am not going to beg someone for lore and accept it with gratitude when it suits my purposes and then reject it next time because it doesn't. Thank you Sounsyy.

Edit- Though I still think a vampire is pretty much unplayable. *nods*

Val · **09-22-2015, 01:34 PM**

(09-22-2015, 01:29 PM)Melodia Wrote:
(09-22-2015, 01:20 PM)Sounsyy Wrote:
(09-22-2015, 01:01 PM)Val Wrote: I don't really think we should take comical flavor text clearly meant to be a joke as a serious entry to lore, though. SE has a big history with throwing things in their games just to justify an action/event/whatever that doesn't need to be. The cephalopod seems to be more a joke name than anything else, an allusion to the real world myth rather than anything in game.

That's my take from it, at least

So... we can cherrypick the lore now based on whether or not we feel the mass culling of unfortunately named flying cephalopods is humorous or not?

There's a metric tonze of lore that comes from item descriptions, fishing lore, and mount/minion text. I don't see anything about the Vampiric Tapestry's text that was "clearly meant to be a joke." What it shows is that Ishgardian people are as superstitious as the rest of Eorzeans and will drive a stake through a creature's heart just because of its name. Similar to how Ishgardians culled Au Ra because of their draconic appearance.

If we are to discount these texts, we're also discounting the lore which gave us the name of Nanamo's father, the fact that Merlwyb Bloefhiswyn discovered the New World in 1556, and that during the War of the Magi, the Mhachi rode into battle on the backs of enchanted Manta Rays, which they called Magic Carpets.

Do we discount those as well? "If it's humorous, it's not canon" also eliminates the lore bomb that Ul'dah zombified Sil'dih to end the War of the Sisters 400 years ago. And if Events aren't canon we lost a lot of lore about Paladins and the Thorne Dynasty. I mean... do I really need to go on?

Sounsyy's point is valid and I agree. We can't just choose to ignore something because dislike the possible implications. I for one am not going to beg someone for lore and accept it with gratitude when it suits my purposes and then reject it next time because it doesn't. Thank you Sounsyy.

Then we must also go on the assumption that because it isn't in game, it doesn't exist? Like how there's no justification for miqo'te dragoons and such beyond the super special main character?Â

And I guess since I can ride Sleipnir and wear his armor, my character is Odin?

Sounsyy · **09-22-2015, 01:35 PM**

(09-22-2015, 01:23 PM)Val Wrote: If that's the case, we have Miqo'te dragoons because...?

(09-22-2015, 01:24 PM)Flashhelix Wrote:
(09-22-2015, 01:20 PM)Sounsyy Wrote: So... we can cherrypick the lore now based on whether or not we feel the mass culling of unfortunately named flying cephalopods is humorous or not?

I thought the point of this thread was that we can RP however we want???????

Not sure what either of these posts has to do with anything, but knock yourself out Val.

Flashhelix · **09-22-2015, 01:37 PM**

How do we know that any of the text relating to vampires is actually in-lore, however? There's been item text that, at first glance seems completely real, yet the devs themselves have come out and stated its non-canon nature. That is, Fantasia. So if Fantasia and the resulting flavor text isn't canon, what exactly is stopping somebody from asserting that a similar situation couldn't be happening with flavor text of another item?

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