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RE: RP Trash Talking (Opinion & Discussion) - LiadansWhisper - 01-07-2014
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RE: RP Trash Talking (Opinion & Discussion) - Karaan - 01-07-2014
(01-07-2014, 06:32 PM)LiadansWhisper Wrote:
My words in a simple picture
RE: RP Trash Talking (Opinion & Discussion) - LiadansWhisper - 01-07-2014
(01-07-2014, 06:41 PM)Karaan Wrote: My words in a simple picture
It's also why naming and shaming them to their FC leaders works so well. Â You rip off part of the anonymity that they are operating under.
RE: RP Trash Talking (Opinion & Discussion) - Asgarn - 01-07-2014
I absolutely love that reply, Liadan! Haha!Â
RE: RP Trash Talking (Opinion & Discussion) - Kismet - 01-07-2014
(01-07-2014, 06:17 PM)Asgarn Wrote:(01-07-2014, 05:50 PM)Jana Wrote: Balmung and Gilgamesh aren't official RP servers though, they're unofficial ones chosen by the RP community. Square Enix hasn't said anywhere that there are RP servers at all, so people joining the servers to play with friends, because they were open, because they liked the names, etc. have no way of knowing that there's going to be a roleplaying population at all.
Doesn't excuse anyone's bad behavior, but you shouldn't talk about what it isn't about.
I am pretty sure that I did not refer to them as official servers
I think Jana was referring to Edgar's post. Either way, Jana is correct.
RE: RP Trash Talking (Opinion & Discussion) - Lalili Lali - 01-07-2014
People play games for different reasons; we all hope to achieve different things, and we find different activities fun. Unfortunately, some people think their way is the only way.
Just as some people might make fun of roleplayers, some members of our community are also guilty of belittling other playstyles. How many times have you seen someone call another a "no-life"? Those same people often look at the people who rush to 50, or who rush to achieve server firsts, with disdain ("Slow down and enjoy the damn game," they often say, or "Stop trying so hard, it's a game, not a contest").
All of that is basically people wanting others to play the game in the exact same way that they themselves do. If you're not doing it my way, you're doing it WRONG. It is true that roleplayers seem to receive the most harassment of that sort, but we are not the only ones being "picked on" - and some members of our community are inflicting that same harassment upon others.
My advice: just ignore them. They're not people you'd want to play with, anyways. No sense in replying to them at all, unless you're craving an argument.
RE: RP Trash Talking (Opinion & Discussion) - Raeletta - 01-07-2014
(01-07-2014, 02:16 PM)Bryn Wrote: With the RP community being as large and prominent as it is on Balmung, we were always going to get a degree of backlash. But we RPers will always be a minority within the wider gaming community. And if there's one unfortunate constant of human nature, it's that wherever there is a minority, that minority will inevitably end up being victimized.
Generally, I just ignore the trolls. I filter /shout from my logs at all times to avoid the recruitment spam and such, anyway.
That being said, I've been pleasantly surprised by how little harassment I've experienced or witnessed on Balmung. The worst I've seen is some asshat dragoon jumping into the middle of a scene and spamming his abilities in an attempt to disrupt us. Generally it's best to not even acknowledge such people. Their goal is to disrupt your RP, and as soon as you complain to them, they've already won.
I did have an incident recently where I was RPing in the Quicksand and some guy sat down and started making very obviously passive-aggressive emotes to mock us ((Drinking all of our booze, throwing up, passing out on the table, etc)). I ran with it and emoted Bryn shaving off one of his eyebrows with a dagger and using her kohl stick to draw a penis on his forehead, at which point he promptly got up and left.
This made me laugh so hard.
@OP: Ignore them, or like this, play with them a little. either way tends to make them leave sooner or later
RE: RP Trash Talking (Opinion & Discussion) - Faye - 01-07-2014
Several people have already said most of these things, but...Â
I would say there's no reason in particular that has happened in this game to make people look down upon role-players, just the usual reasons aaaand.... drumroll, please!
The Usual Reasons:
1) A lot of these people are just trolls who make fun of everyone and everything. Since we are, of course, RPers, we just generally notice when they are making fun of us more so than when they are making fun of anyone else.
2) Most of these people can't/don't understand RP. Be it because they've never given it a fair chance, or they are closed minded, or that they've never really had the chance to learn what it is or had anyone to accurately explain to them what RP is, or whatever. We need to remember that Balmung and Gilgamesh aren't official RP severs, and therefore there are a lot of people on these servers who not only don't RP, but may also dislike it. I suppose we're all geeks for playing an MMO, but to others, RPers are the geeks of geeks. A lot of people have a misconception that RP is not us writing stories, but us actually believing we're all cat people and lalafell and whatnot, or there's another misconception that all RP is ERP and a means to live out some sort of sexual fantasies because we're too nerdy to be getting any action IRL.
3) A lot of non-RPers believe RPers don't take the game seriously--that we're just here to RP and not to play the game, that we're too preoccupied with RP to get decent gear or learn the game mechanics, that we spend more time RPing than bettering our gaming skills, etc. And while there are people who heavily focus on RP more than PvE/PvP, I would say the majority of us take PvE/PvP as seriously as anyone else. Not many of us are willing to pay $15 a month just to RP in an MMO when we could do it for free in chats and forums. However, when something goes wrong in a party or raid, the RPers are an easy scapegoat to place the blame upon.
4) A few of these people may have had negative experiences with RPers. People ERPing in public, those few rare people who RP so much that they really don't know how to play, etc. And it would be a lie to say that a lot of RPers aren't a bit snobby and elitist, or that I've never met one who looks down upon people who don't RP. People are quick to judge an entire group based on a single person's actions.
With all that being said... how to rectify the situation?
Well, there's no single, simple cure for things like prejudice and closed-mindedness. Just represent our community well. Don't feed the trolls. Don't do obnoxious things like ERP in public or RP in parties where there is anyone who doesn't RP and hasn't agreed to do an RP dungeon run. When people don't like/understand RP, explain it to them clearly and patiently rather than flying off the handle and yelling at them. Basically... be nice, be smart, know how to play the game if you choose to run content, and don't be a weirdo.
RE: RP Trash Talking (Opinion & Discussion) - Asgarn - 01-07-2014
Thank you all for your replies! This thread seriously got more attention that I thought it would.
 Just to clear up any potential misconceptions, I have no issues with "sorting" said situations, I simply thought after a particularly enfuriating encounter to gauge how the rest of the RP community handles and thinks of such things. Truly enlightening, I must say.Â
RE: RP Trash Talking (Opinion & Discussion) - Sophia_Grave - 01-07-2014
Its cause if you're a roleplayer, that makes you a neeeeeeeeeeerd.
Or something like that. I don't what the kids are saying these days.
RE: RP Trash Talking (Opinion & Discussion) - LiadansWhisper - 01-07-2014
(01-07-2014, 09:49 PM)Apl_J Wrote: Its cause if you're a roleplayer, that makes you a neeeeeeeeeeerd.
Or something like that. I don't what the kids are saying these days.
I like to remind people that if they're playing a computer game, they're already a nerd.
RE: RP Trash Talking (Opinion & Discussion) - Kendha'to - 01-07-2014
(01-07-2014, 10:05 PM)LiadansWhisper Wrote:Pretty much this!(01-07-2014, 09:49 PM)Apl_J Wrote: Its cause if you're a roleplayer, that makes you a neeeeeeeeeeerd.
Or something like that. I don't what the kids are saying these days.
I like to remind people that if they're playing a computer game, they're already a nerd.
Unless it's Call of Duty/Battlefield. Then you're a dudebro.
RE: RP Trash Talking (Opinion & Discussion) - Hiro - 01-08-2014
(01-07-2014, 10:49 PM)Kendha Wrote:(01-07-2014, 10:05 PM)LiadansWhisper Wrote:Pretty much this!(01-07-2014, 09:49 PM)Apl_J Wrote: Its cause if you're a roleplayer, that makes you a neeeeeeeeeeerd.
Or something like that. I don't what the kids are saying these days.
I like to remind people that if they're playing a computer game, they're already a nerd.
Unless it's Call of Duty/Battlefield. Then you're a dudebro.
Ouch, harsh I just love fragging people here and there :/
RE: RP Trash Talking (Opinion & Discussion) - Kendha'to - 01-08-2014
(01-08-2014, 03:02 PM)Hiro Wrote:Not intended to be harsh. Entirely tongue in cheek.(01-07-2014, 10:49 PM)Kendha Wrote:(01-07-2014, 10:05 PM)LiadansWhisper Wrote:Pretty much this!(01-07-2014, 09:49 PM)Apl_J Wrote: Its cause if you're a roleplayer, that makes you a neeeeeeeeeeerd.
Or something like that. I don't what the kids are saying these days.
I like to remind people that if they're playing a computer game, they're already a nerd.
Unless it's Call of Duty/Battlefield. Then you're a dudebro.
Ouch, harsh I just love fragging people here and there :/
RE: RP Trash Talking (Opinion & Discussion) - Sophia_Grave - 01-08-2014
(01-07-2014, 10:05 PM)LiadansWhisper Wrote:Well of course. But people want to feel superior to others, as usual.(01-07-2014, 09:49 PM)Apl_J Wrote: Its cause if you're a roleplayer, that makes you a neeeeeeeeeeerd.
Or something like that. I don't what the kids are saying these days.
I like to remind people that if they're playing a computer game, they're already a nerd.