(10-23-2015, 09:59 AM)SessionZero Wrote: Just chiming in to reiterate that I went with Hellsguard Roegadyn.

His name is Savage Mountain.

Where the Roe ladies at?

Edit: Highlander ladies also acceptable.

(10-23-2015, 09:54 AM)Gwen - Dinah Wrote:

(10-23-2015, 09:50 AM)Martiallais Wrote:

(10-23-2015, 09:46 AM)Gwen - Dinah Wrote:

(10-23-2015, 09:03 AM)Warren Castille Wrote:

(10-23-2015, 08:40 AM)Gwen - Dinah Wrote: There is zero lore to support them though, technically any trying for it should be complete green noobs. Being as Warrior training for all races just opened up aster the HW Warrior quest line. 

If you want to be a right proper Warrior it's Hellsguard or go home. Everyone else should either be a.) struggling to learn it, or B.) Had a Hellsguard teacher, and been on Eorzea a while so that disqualifies 90% of Au Ra

Chiming in to say that this is 100% bullshit. We know there were Warriors before we ever got to see them in the game, so it's perfectly fair to presume some of the Olde Warriors ventured out into the world instead of staying in the spine. There's no cemented lore saying "Nope, no one ever left, they all died and only George knows the ways now." We're only shown that, as far as George knows, he's the only one.

Which plays perfectly into that being because the others who could teach were Elsewhere into Othard doing other things and teaching other students.

Using your own argument against you there's no lore to suggest what you said at all either.  However all lore we have suggests that only Hellsguards were Warriors and no other race (with the exception of The Warrior Of Light.) 

So sure it's plausible some Hellsguard went to Othard and settled down passing his/her teachings on. But that falls into the having had a Hellsguard teacher category.

As long as you have a good enough story you can spin and bend a lot of lore sure.

(also just finding a Soul Crystal would be bad, because you'd likely just end up a murder machine.)

1 - Right proper? Who decides what is 'right proper' for each class/race combo? If the devs wanted the classes race locked, they would be.

2 - The races have been allies for how many years now? The 'End of the Era' and 'Heavensward' trailers has everyone's favorite derplander as what class? A warrior.

I'm pretty sure, that was for PvE purposes. Lore wise there's nothing to suggest they taught outside their race. Derplander is the only exception we have and we know nothing about his background, he could have been personally trained by a Hellsguard, adopted to one, we literally have nothing. But from the lore we do have suggesting he just picked up his axe one day and was like LOL Warrior, is kind of silly.

(10-23-2015, 10:00 AM)Gwen - Dinah Wrote:

(10-23-2015, 09:59 AM)SessionZero Wrote: Just chiming in to reiterate that I went with Hellsguard Roegadyn.

His name is Savage Mountain.

Where the Roe ladies at?

Edit: Highlander ladies also acceptable.

Do the /happy emote. You can thank me later. Seriously one of the best emotes in game male Roe /furious is REALLY good too.

(10-23-2015, 10:01 AM)Martiallais Wrote:

(10-23-2015, 09:54 AM)Gwen - Dinah Wrote:

(10-23-2015, 09:50 AM)Martiallais Wrote:

(10-23-2015, 09:46 AM)Gwen - Dinah Wrote:

(10-23-2015, 09:03 AM)Warren Castille Wrote: Chiming in to say that this is 100% bullshit. We know there were Warriors before we ever got to see them in the game, so it's perfectly fair to presume some of the Olde Warriors ventured out into the world instead of staying in the spine. There's no cemented lore saying "Nope, no one ever left, they all died and only George knows the ways now." We're only shown that, as far as George knows, he's the only one.

Which plays perfectly into that being because the others who could teach were Elsewhere into Othard doing other things and teaching other students.

Using your own argument against you there's no lore to suggest what you said at all either.  However all lore we have suggests that only Hellsguards were Warriors and no other race (with the exception of The Warrior Of Light.) 

So sure it's plausible some Hellsguard went to Othard and settled down passing his/her teachings on. But that falls into the having had a Hellsguard teacher category.

As long as you have a good enough story you can spin and bend a lot of lore sure.

(also just finding a Soul Crystal would be bad, because you'd likely just end up a murder machine.)

1 - Right proper? Who decides what is 'right proper' for each class/race combo? If the devs wanted the classes race locked, they would be.

2 - The races have been allies for how many years now? The 'End of the Era' and 'Heavensward' trailers has everyone's favorite derplander as what class? A warrior.

I'm pretty sure, that was for PvE purposes. Lore wise there's nothing to suggest they taught outside their race. Derplander is the only exception we have and we know nothing about his background, he could have been personally trained by a Hellsguard, adopted to one, we literally have nothing. But from the lore we do have suggesting he just picked up his axe one day and was like LOL Warrior, is kind of silly.

So all the warriors used to fight in the War of the Magi were also Roes? I think we're kiiiiind of reaching now going by that logic. I mean I'm kind of sorry if you can't take non-warrior Roes seriously but look at the game world.

Lalas can be just as strong as your big, tall, hulking Roe. If not stronger.

And I'd have to look it up to be entirely sure but I do believe Limsa is putting out their own Warrior corps so....I suppose the other option is to go tell all those folks carrying around big axes as part of their roleplay that they're not "real" warriors anymore.

(10-23-2015, 10:04 AM)Gwen - Dinah Wrote:

(10-23-2015, 10:01 AM)Martiallais Wrote:

(10-23-2015, 09:54 AM)Gwen - Dinah Wrote:

(10-23-2015, 09:50 AM)Martiallais Wrote:

(10-23-2015, 09:46 AM)Gwen - Dinah Wrote: Using your own argument against you there's no lore to suggest what you said at all either.  However all lore we have suggests that only Hellsguards were Warriors and no other race (with the exception of The Warrior Of Light.) 

So sure it's plausible some Hellsguard went to Othard and settled down passing his/her teachings on. But that falls into the having had a Hellsguard teacher category.

As long as you have a good enough story you can spin and bend a lot of lore sure.

(also just finding a Soul Crystal would be bad, because you'd likely just end up a murder machine.)

1 - Right proper? Who decides what is 'right proper' for each class/race combo? If the devs wanted the classes race locked, they would be.

2 - The races have been allies for how many years now? The 'End of the Era' and 'Heavensward' trailers has everyone's favorite derplander as what class? A warrior.

I'm pretty sure, that was for PvE purposes. Lore wise there's nothing to suggest they taught outside their race. Derplander is the only exception we have and we know nothing about his background, he could have been personally trained by a Hellsguard, adopted to one, we literally have nothing. But from the lore we do have suggesting he just picked up his axe one day and was like LOL Warrior, is kind of silly.

So all the warriors used to fight in the War of the Magi were also Roes? I think we're kiiiiind of reaching now going by that logic. I mean I'm kind of sorry if you can't take non-warrior Roes seriously but look at the game world.

Lalas can be just as strong as your big, tall, hulking Roe. If not stronger.

And I'd have to look it up to be entirely sure but I do believe Limsa is putting out their own Warrior corps so....I suppose the other option is to go tell all those folks carrying around big axes as part of their roleplay that they're not "real" warriors anymore.

If you read what we have it is highly suggested as such, and no that's not reaching. Hellsguards send a lot of their people out of the Spine. A LOT whether exile because of resources or to find their fortunes. 

They are being taught by Hellsguards. Hence linking my argument back. Let me guess you've never done the Warrior Quests, or Relic Weapon Quest?

(10-23-2015, 10:06 AM)Martiallais Wrote:

(10-23-2015, 10:04 AM)Gwen - Dinah Wrote:

(10-23-2015, 10:01 AM)Martiallais Wrote:

(10-23-2015, 09:54 AM)Gwen - Dinah Wrote:

(10-23-2015, 09:50 AM)Martiallais Wrote: 1 - Right proper? Who decides what is 'right proper' for each class/race combo? If the devs wanted the classes race locked, they would be.

2 - The races have been allies for how many years now? The 'End of the Era' and 'Heavensward' trailers has everyone's favorite derplander as what class? A warrior.

I'm pretty sure, that was for PvE purposes. Lore wise there's nothing to suggest they taught outside their race. Derplander is the only exception we have and we know nothing about his background, he could have been personally trained by a Hellsguard, adopted to one, we literally have nothing. But from the lore we do have suggesting he just picked up his axe one day and was like LOL Warrior, is kind of silly.

So all the warriors used to fight in the War of the Magi were also Roes? I think we're kiiiiind of reaching now going by that logic. I mean I'm kind of sorry if you can't take non-warrior Roes seriously but look at the game world.

Lalas can be just as strong as your big, tall, hulking Roe. If not stronger.

And I'd have to look it up to be entirely sure but I do believe Limsa is putting out their own Warrior corps so....I suppose the other option is to go tell all those folks carrying around big axes as part of their roleplay that they're not "real" warriors anymore.

If you read what we have it is highly suggested as such, and no that's not reaching. Hellsguards send a lot of their people out of the Spine. A LOT whether exile because of resources or to find their fortunes. 

They are being taught by Hellsguards. Hence linking my argument back. Let me guess you've never done the Warrior Quests, or Relic Weapon Quest?

As a matter of fact I have. On a Highlander, which is why seeing someone say "ohai cant be a warrior unless you're a Hellsguard" prompted me to step into the conversation. Careful there bout those assumptions, friend.

(10-23-2015, 10:08 AM)Gwen - Dinah Wrote:

(10-23-2015, 10:06 AM)Martiallais Wrote:

(10-23-2015, 10:04 AM)Gwen - Dinah Wrote:

(10-23-2015, 10:01 AM)Martiallais Wrote:

(10-23-2015, 09:54 AM)Gwen - Dinah Wrote: I'm pretty sure, that was for PvE purposes. Lore wise there's nothing to suggest they taught outside their race. Derplander is the only exception we have and we know nothing about his background, he could have been personally trained by a Hellsguard, adopted to one, we literally have nothing. But from the lore we do have suggesting he just picked up his axe one day and was like LOL Warrior, is kind of silly.

So all the warriors used to fight in the War of the Magi were also Roes? I think we're kiiiiind of reaching now going by that logic. I mean I'm kind of sorry if you can't take non-warrior Roes seriously but look at the game world.

Lalas can be just as strong as your big, tall, hulking Roe. If not stronger.

And I'd have to look it up to be entirely sure but I do believe Limsa is putting out their own Warrior corps so....I suppose the other option is to go tell all those folks carrying around big axes as part of their roleplay that they're not "real" warriors anymore.

If you read what we have it is highly suggested as such, and no that's not reaching. Hellsguards send a lot of their people out of the Spine. A LOT whether exile because of resources or to find their fortunes. 

They are being taught by Hellsguards. Hence linking my argument back. Let me guess you've never done the Warrior Quests, or Relic Weapon Quest?

As a matter of fact I have. On a Highlander, which is why seeing someone say "ohai cant be a warrior unless you're a Hellsguard" prompted me to step into the conversation. Careful there bout those assumptions, friend.

Well for someone that did it you lack a lot of knowledge. So it was a base assumption. Also you lack reading skills because I listed being taught by a Hellsguard was a valid option. Not just being one.

(10-23-2015, 10:13 AM)Martiallais Wrote: /back on topic
And Reilan you're right, our warriors can totally be buddies! We can laugh about how my Highlander learned how to be a warrior from [redacted].

(10-23-2015, 10:13 AM)Martiallais Wrote:

(10-23-2015, 10:08 AM)Gwen - Dinah Wrote:

(10-23-2015, 10:06 AM)Martiallais Wrote:

(10-23-2015, 10:04 AM)Gwen - Dinah Wrote:

(10-23-2015, 10:01 AM)Martiallais Wrote: So all the warriors used to fight in the War of the Magi were also Roes? I think we're kiiiiind of reaching now going by that logic. I mean I'm kind of sorry if you can't take non-warrior Roes seriously but look at the game world.

Lalas can be just as strong as your big, tall, hulking Roe. If not stronger.

And I'd have to look it up to be entirely sure but I do believe Limsa is putting out their own Warrior corps so....I suppose the other option is to go tell all those folks carrying around big axes as part of their roleplay that they're not "real" warriors anymore.

If you read what we have it is highly suggested as such, and no that's not reaching. Hellsguards send a lot of their people out of the Spine. A LOT whether exile because of resources or to find their fortunes. 

They are being taught by Hellsguards. Hence linking my argument back. Let me guess you've never done the Warrior Quests, or Relic Weapon Quest?

As a matter of fact I have. On a Highlander, which is why seeing someone say "ohai cant be a warrior unless you're a Hellsguard" prompted me to step into the conversation. Careful there bout those assumptions, friend.

Well for someone that did it you lack a lot of knowledge. So it was a base assumption. Also you lack reading skills because I listed being taught by a Hellsguard was a valid option. Not just being one.

Well if you'd go back and look you'll see I added that in. And a base assumption is still what? An assumption.

That said, given this debate is coming from the same source of 'I think a woman's period fuels her Inner Beast' I think I'm safe going the other way.

/back on topic
And Reilan you're right, our warriors can totally be buddies! We can laugh about how my Highlander learned how to be a warrior from [redacted].

(10-23-2015, 10:27 AM)Gwen - Dinah Wrote: *snip*
Or maybe you're one of those RPers that just assumes you're character is so good they can control anything, even forces you are supposed to be at constant conflict with to control. *rolls eyes.*

Though this isn't the thread for this particular argument.

(10-23-2015, 10:38 AM)Martiallais Wrote: I could be a whitemagevampiredragonmiqotedragoonwith3houses.

(10-23-2015, 10:38 AM)Martiallais Wrote:

(10-23-2015, 10:27 AM)Gwen - Dinah Wrote: *snip*
Or maybe you're one of those RPers that just assumes you're character is so good they can control anything, even forces you are supposed to be at constant conflict with to control. *rolls eyes.*

Though this isn't the thread for this particular argument.

Yes. I am a pretty terribad RP'er, you hit the nail on the head.

Have you RP'd with me by the way? Or talked to someone who has? I mean I know I'm not a -real- warrior and all but I guess it could be worse right?

I could be a whitemagevampiredragonmiqotedragoonwith3houses.