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SessionZero · **10-23-2015, 09:59 AM**

Just chiming in to reiterate that I went with Hellsguard Roegadyn.

His name is Savage Mountain.

Where the Roe ladies at?

Edit: Highlander ladies also acceptable.

-no longer matters- · **10-23-2015, 10:00 AM**

(10-23-2015, 09:59 AM)SessionZero Wrote: Just chiming in to reiterate that I went with Hellsguard Roegadyn.

His name is Savage Mountain.

Where the Roe ladies at?

Edit: Highlander ladies also acceptable.

Do the /happy emote. You can thank me later. Seriously one of the best emotes in game male Roe /furious is REALLY good too.

Martiallais · **10-23-2015, 10:01 AM**

(10-23-2015, 09:54 AM)Gwen - Dinah Wrote:
(10-23-2015, 09:50 AM)Martiallais Wrote:
(10-23-2015, 09:46 AM)Gwen - Dinah Wrote:
(10-23-2015, 09:03 AM)Warren Castille Wrote:
(10-23-2015, 08:40 AM)Gwen - Dinah Wrote: There is zero lore to support them though, technically any trying for it should be complete green noobs. Being as Warrior training for all races just opened up aster the HW Warrior quest line.Â

If you want to be a right proper Warrior it's Hellsguard or go home. Everyone else should either be a.) struggling to learn it, or B.) Had a Hellsguard teacher, and been on Eorzea a while so that disqualifies 90% of Au Ra

Chiming in to say that this is 100% bullshit. We know there were Warriors before we ever got to see them in the game, so it's perfectly fair to presume some of the Olde Warriors ventured out into the world instead of staying in the spine. There's no cemented lore saying "Nope, no one ever left, they all died and only George knows the ways now." We're only shown that, as far as George knows, he's the only one.

Which plays perfectly into that being because the others who could teach were Elsewhere into Othard doing other things and teaching other students.
Using your own argument against you there's no lore to suggest what you said at all either. Â However all lore we have suggests that only Hellsguards were Warriors and no other race (with the exception of The Warrior Of Light.)Â

So sure it's plausible some Hellsguard went to Othard and settled down passing his/her teachings on. But that falls into the having had a Hellsguard teacher category.

As long as you have a good enough story you can spin and bend a lot of lore sure.

(also just finding a Soul Crystal would be bad, because you'd likely just end up a murder machine.)

1 - Right proper? Who decides what is 'right proper' for each class/race combo? If the devs wanted the classes race locked, they would be.

2 - The races have been allies for how many years now? The 'End of the Era' and 'Heavensward' trailers has everyone's favorite derplander as what class? A warrior.
I'm pretty sure, that was for PvE purposes. Lore wise there's nothing to suggest they taught outside their race. Derplander is the only exception we have and we know nothing about his background, he could have been personally trained by a Hellsguard, adopted to one, we literally have nothing. But from the lore we do have suggesting he just picked up his axe one day and was like LOL Warrior, is kind of silly.

So all the warriors used to fight in the War of the Magi were also Roes? I think we're kiiiiind of reaching now going by that logic. I mean I'm kind of sorry if you can't take non-warrior Roes seriously but look at the game world.

Lalas can be just as strong as your big, tall, hulking Roe. If not stronger.

And I'd have to look it up to be entirely sure but I do believe Limsa is putting out their own Warrior corps so....I suppose the other option is to go tell all those folks carrying around big axes as part of their roleplay that they're not "real" warriors anymore.

SessionZero · **10-23-2015, 10:03 AM**

(10-23-2015, 10:00 AM)Gwen - Dinah Wrote:
(10-23-2015, 09:59 AM)SessionZero Wrote: Just chiming in to reiterate that I went with Hellsguard Roegadyn.

His name is Savage Mountain.

Where the Roe ladies at?

Edit: Highlander ladies also acceptable.
Do the /happy emote. You can thank me later. Seriously one of the best emotes in game male Roe /furious is REALLY good too.

Oh trust me, I've been having far too much fun with Roe emotes.Â

I helped my friend with her crafting by putting on a leopard print subligar and the Halloween event gloves and thighboots and twerking on her crafting station with the /furious emote.

-no longer matters- · **10-23-2015, 10:04 AM**

(10-23-2015, 10:01 AM)Martiallais Wrote:
(10-23-2015, 09:54 AM)Gwen - Dinah Wrote:
(10-23-2015, 09:50 AM)Martiallais Wrote:
(10-23-2015, 09:46 AM)Gwen - Dinah Wrote:
(10-23-2015, 09:03 AM)Warren Castille Wrote: Chiming in to say that this is 100% bullshit. We know there were Warriors before we ever got to see them in the game, so it's perfectly fair to presume some of the Olde Warriors ventured out into the world instead of staying in the spine. There's no cemented lore saying "Nope, no one ever left, they all died and only George knows the ways now." We're only shown that, as far as George knows, he's the only one.

Which plays perfectly into that being because the others who could teach were Elsewhere into Othard doing other things and teaching other students.
Using your own argument against you there's no lore to suggest what you said at all either. Â However all lore we have suggests that only Hellsguards were Warriors and no other race (with the exception of The Warrior Of Light.)Â

So sure it's plausible some Hellsguard went to Othard and settled down passing his/her teachings on. But that falls into the having had a Hellsguard teacher category.

As long as you have a good enough story you can spin and bend a lot of lore sure.

(also just finding a Soul Crystal would be bad, because you'd likely just end up a murder machine.)

1 - Right proper? Who decides what is 'right proper' for each class/race combo? If the devs wanted the classes race locked, they would be.

2 - The races have been allies for how many years now? The 'End of the Era' and 'Heavensward' trailers has everyone's favorite derplander as what class? A warrior.
I'm pretty sure, that was for PvE purposes. Lore wise there's nothing to suggest they taught outside their race. Derplander is the only exception we have and we know nothing about his background, he could have been personally trained by a Hellsguard, adopted to one, we literally have nothing. But from the lore we do have suggesting he just picked up his axe one day and was like LOL Warrior, is kind of silly.

So all the warriors used to fight in the War of the Magi were also Roes? I think we're kiiiiind of reaching now going by that logic. I mean I'm kind of sorry if you can't take non-warrior Roes seriously but look at the game world.

Lalas can be just as strong as your big, tall, hulking Roe. If not stronger.

And I'd have to look it up to be entirely sure but I do believe Limsa is putting out their own Warrior corps so....I suppose the other option is to go tell all those folks carrying around big axes as part of their roleplay that they're not "real" warriors anymore.

If you read what we have it is highly suggested as such, and no that's not reaching. Hellsguards send a lot of their people out of the Spine. A LOT whether exile because of resources or to find their fortunes.Â

They are being taught by Hellsguards. Hence linking my argument back to you should at least be taught by one. Let me guess you've never done the Warrior Quests, or Relic Weapon Quest?

Martiallais · **10-23-2015, 10:06 AM**

(10-23-2015, 10:04 AM)Gwen - Dinah Wrote:
(10-23-2015, 10:01 AM)Martiallais Wrote:
(10-23-2015, 09:54 AM)Gwen - Dinah Wrote:
(10-23-2015, 09:50 AM)Martiallais Wrote:
(10-23-2015, 09:46 AM)Gwen - Dinah Wrote: Using your own argument against you there's no lore to suggest what you said at all either. Â However all lore we have suggests that only Hellsguards were Warriors and no other race (with the exception of The Warrior Of Light.)Â

So sure it's plausible some Hellsguard went to Othard and settled down passing his/her teachings on. But that falls into the having had a Hellsguard teacher category.

As long as you have a good enough story you can spin and bend a lot of lore sure.

(also just finding a Soul Crystal would be bad, because you'd likely just end up a murder machine.)

1 - Right proper? Who decides what is 'right proper' for each class/race combo? If the devs wanted the classes race locked, they would be.

2 - The races have been allies for how many years now? The 'End of the Era' and 'Heavensward' trailers has everyone's favorite derplander as what class? A warrior.
I'm pretty sure, that was for PvE purposes. Lore wise there's nothing to suggest they taught outside their race. Derplander is the only exception we have and we know nothing about his background, he could have been personally trained by a Hellsguard, adopted to one, we literally have nothing. But from the lore we do have suggesting he just picked up his axe one day and was like LOL Warrior, is kind of silly.

So all the warriors used to fight in the War of the Magi were also Roes? I think we're kiiiiind of reaching now going by that logic. I mean I'm kind of sorry if you can't take non-warrior Roes seriously but look at the game world.

Lalas can be just as strong as your big, tall, hulking Roe. If not stronger.

And I'd have to look it up to be entirely sure but I do believe Limsa is putting out their own Warrior corps so....I suppose the other option is to go tell all those folks carrying around big axes as part of their roleplay that they're not "real" warriors anymore.
If you read what we have it is highly suggested as such, and no that's not reaching. Hellsguards send a lot of their people out of the Spine. A LOT whether exile because of resources or to find their fortunes.Â

They are being taught by Hellsguards. Hence linking my argument back. Let me guess you've never done the Warrior Quests, or Relic Weapon Quest?

As a matter of fact I have. Smile

On a Highlander, which is why seeing someone say "ohai cant be a warrior unless you're a Hellsguard" prompted me to step into the conversation. Careful there bout those assumptions, friend.

EDIT: Or taught by one, pardon. Which still, IMO, is as you said, suggested. Which as Warren said (no need for a bigger quote tree) is about as provable as what I'm saying.

-no longer matters- · **10-23-2015, 10:08 AM**

(10-23-2015, 10:06 AM)Martiallais Wrote:
(10-23-2015, 10:04 AM)Gwen - Dinah Wrote:
(10-23-2015, 10:01 AM)Martiallais Wrote:
(10-23-2015, 09:54 AM)Gwen - Dinah Wrote:
(10-23-2015, 09:50 AM)Martiallais Wrote: 1 - Right proper? Who decides what is 'right proper' for each class/race combo? If the devs wanted the classes race locked, they would be.

2 - The races have been allies for how many years now? The 'End of the Era' and 'Heavensward' trailers has everyone's favorite derplander as what class? A warrior.
I'm pretty sure, that was for PvE purposes. Lore wise there's nothing to suggest they taught outside their race. Derplander is the only exception we have and we know nothing about his background, he could have been personally trained by a Hellsguard, adopted to one, we literally have nothing. But from the lore we do have suggesting he just picked up his axe one day and was like LOL Warrior, is kind of silly.

So all the warriors used to fight in the War of the Magi were also Roes? I think we're kiiiiind of reaching now going by that logic. I mean I'm kind of sorry if you can't take non-warrior Roes seriously but look at the game world.

Lalas can be just as strong as your big, tall, hulking Roe. If not stronger.

And I'd have to look it up to be entirely sure but I do believe Limsa is putting out their own Warrior corps so....I suppose the other option is to go tell all those folks carrying around big axes as part of their roleplay that they're not "real" warriors anymore.
If you read what we have it is highly suggested as such, and no that's not reaching. Hellsguards send a lot of their people out of the Spine. A LOT whether exile because of resources or to find their fortunes.Â

They are being taught by Hellsguards. Hence linking my argument back. Let me guess you've never done the Warrior Quests, or Relic Weapon Quest?

As a matter of fact I have. On a Highlander, which is why seeing someone say "ohai cant be a warrior unless you're a Hellsguard" prompted me to step into the conversation. Careful there bout those assumptions, friend.

Well for someone that did it you lack a lot of knowledge. So it was a base assumption. Also you lack reading skills because I listed being taught by a Hellsguard was a valid option. Not just being one.

Martiallais · **10-23-2015, 10:13 AM**

(10-23-2015, 10:08 AM)Gwen - Dinah Wrote:
(10-23-2015, 10:06 AM)Martiallais Wrote:
(10-23-2015, 10:04 AM)Gwen - Dinah Wrote:
(10-23-2015, 10:01 AM)Martiallais Wrote:
(10-23-2015, 09:54 AM)Gwen - Dinah Wrote: I'm pretty sure, that was for PvE purposes. Lore wise there's nothing to suggest they taught outside their race. Derplander is the only exception we have and we know nothing about his background, he could have been personally trained by a Hellsguard, adopted to one, we literally have nothing. But from the lore we do have suggesting he just picked up his axe one day and was like LOL Warrior, is kind of silly.

So all the warriors used to fight in the War of the Magi were also Roes? I think we're kiiiiind of reaching now going by that logic. I mean I'm kind of sorry if you can't take non-warrior Roes seriously but look at the game world.

Lalas can be just as strong as your big, tall, hulking Roe. If not stronger.

And I'd have to look it up to be entirely sure but I do believe Limsa is putting out their own Warrior corps so....I suppose the other option is to go tell all those folks carrying around big axes as part of their roleplay that they're not "real" warriors anymore.
If you read what we have it is highly suggested as such, and no that's not reaching. Hellsguards send a lot of their people out of the Spine. A LOT whether exile because of resources or to find their fortunes.Â

They are being taught by Hellsguards. Hence linking my argument back. Let me guess you've never done the Warrior Quests, or Relic Weapon Quest?

As a matter of fact I have. On a Highlander, which is why seeing someone say "ohai cant be a warrior unless you're a Hellsguard" prompted me to step into the conversation. Careful there bout those assumptions, friend.
Well for someone that did it you lack a lot of knowledge. So it was a base assumption. Also you lack reading skills because I listed being taught by a Hellsguard was a valid option. Not just being one.

Well if you'd go back and look you'll see I added that in. Smile

And a base assumption is still what? An assumption.

That said, given this debate is coming from the same source of 'I think a woman's period fuels her Inner Beast' I think I'm safe going the other way.

/back on topic
And Reilan you're right, our warriors can totally be buddies! We can laugh about how my Highlander learned how to be a warrior from [redacted].

SessionZero · **10-23-2015, 10:17 AM**

(10-23-2015, 10:13 AM)Martiallais Wrote: /back on topic
And Reilan you're right, our warriors can totally be buddies! We can laugh about how my Highlander learned how to be a warrior from [redacted].

Savage can be like, "Ha ha! That guy is still alive? Well buff my broom handle!"

-no longer matters- · **10-23-2015, 10:27 AM**

(10-23-2015, 10:13 AM)Martiallais Wrote:
(10-23-2015, 10:08 AM)Gwen - Dinah Wrote:
(10-23-2015, 10:06 AM)Martiallais Wrote:
(10-23-2015, 10:04 AM)Gwen - Dinah Wrote:
(10-23-2015, 10:01 AM)Martiallais Wrote: So all the warriors used to fight in the War of the Magi were also Roes? I think we're kiiiiind of reaching now going by that logic. I mean I'm kind of sorry if you can't take non-warrior Roes seriously but look at the game world.

Lalas can be just as strong as your big, tall, hulking Roe. If not stronger.

And I'd have to look it up to be entirely sure but I do believe Limsa is putting out their own Warrior corps so....I suppose the other option is to go tell all those folks carrying around big axes as part of their roleplay that they're not "real" warriors anymore.
If you read what we have it is highly suggested as such, and no that's not reaching. Hellsguards send a lot of their people out of the Spine. A LOT whether exile because of resources or to find their fortunes.Â

They are being taught by Hellsguards. Hence linking my argument back. Let me guess you've never done the Warrior Quests, or Relic Weapon Quest?

As a matter of fact I have. On a Highlander, which is why seeing someone say "ohai cant be a warrior unless you're a Hellsguard" prompted me to step into the conversation. Careful there bout those assumptions, friend.
Well for someone that did it you lack a lot of knowledge. So it was a base assumption. Also you lack reading skills because I listed being taught by a Hellsguard was a valid option. Not just being one.

Well if you'd go back and look you'll see I added that in. And a base assumption is still what? An assumption.

That said, given this debate is coming from the same source of 'I think a woman's period fuels her Inner Beast' I think I'm safe going the other way.

/back on topic
And Reilan you're right, our warriors can totally be buddies! We can laugh about how my Highlander learned how to be a warrior from [redacted].

That was actually more of the emotional state caused by hormones and the affects the emotional influx would cause to Darkside, and inner Beast by relation that the two are similar. That was also worked into to include Male IMS which is causes an emotional change via Testosterone loss which would possibly have similar affects since Darkside was fueled and maintained by Emotions. Which would cause one to pause and ponder whether influxes of emotions out of normal control would cause you to have to approach how you control said powers during those periods of time.

I stand by the inquires made in that thread, and I'm sorry you couldn't grasp the possibilities it could present in story telling. Or maybe you're one of those RPers that just assumes you're character is so good they can control anything, even forces you are supposed to be at constant conflict with to control. *rolls eyes.*

Though this isn't the thread for this particular argument.

Martiallais · **10-23-2015, 10:38 AM**

(10-23-2015, 10:27 AM)Gwen - Dinah Wrote: *snip*
Or maybe you're one of those RPers that just assumes you're character is so good they can control anything, even forces you are supposed to be at constant conflict with to control. *rolls eyes.*

Though this isn't the thread for this particular argument.

Yes. I am a pretty terribad RP'er, you hit the nail on the head.

Have you RP'd with me by the way? Or talked to someone who has? I mean I know I'm not a -real- warrior and all but I guess it could be worse right?

I could be a whitemagevampiredragonmiqotedragoonwith3houses.

Warren Castille · **10-23-2015, 10:41 AM**

(10-23-2015, 10:38 AM)Martiallais Wrote: I could be a whitemagevampiredragonmiqotedragoonwith3houses.

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-no longer matters- · **10-23-2015, 10:44 AM**

(10-23-2015, 10:38 AM)Martiallais Wrote:
(10-23-2015, 10:27 AM)Gwen - Dinah Wrote: *snip*
Or maybe you're one of those RPers that just assumes you're character is so good they can control anything, even forces you are supposed to be at constant conflict with to control. *rolls eyes.*

Though this isn't the thread for this particular argument.

Yes. I am a pretty terribad RP'er, you hit the nail on the head.

Have you RP'd with me by the way? Or talked to someone who has? I mean I know I'm not a -real- warrior and all but I guess it could be worse right?

I could be a whitemagevampiredragonmiqotedragoonwith3houses.

The words "Or maybe you're" was used, implying that you could be and that was a possible symptom as to why you couldn't grasp the use of such a question. I didn't say you were. Word comprehension man, don't take everything as a matter of fact statement. It's not my fault people used selective reading in that thread and only attacked the parts they didn't like instead of adding to the actual conversation.Â

Kind of like what we're doing here.

Apologies to the OP.

Warren Castille · **10-23-2015, 10:46 AM**

It's pretty common in roleplayers, actually. The original statement was extremely snarky at anyone "doing it wrong" which is a slap in the face of anyone working to tell an alternate take on something (and by now, could have been doing it for anywhere between two and five years).

People are going to get defensive when someone they've never met makes blanket statements inferring they suck.

SicketySix · **10-23-2015, 10:46 AM**

Throwing in my 2 cents here, but if we want to stick so hard to the you had to have been trained by a roe, or have been a roe, to RP a warrior, then there are a lot of other things that need to be throw out as well.

Before long nobody would be able to RP with any freedom because of the supposed restrictions you've placed on them.

So do I buy the whole ultimate warrior has to be a roe / been taught by a roe? Absoluetly not. And if so, I'd be embarrassed that a Lala with an axe, who does not RP as a warrior specifically, could match your roe when he's 40x smaller then you are, using the same weapon.

But that's just me! Thumbsup

Also don't take the route of "Oh I generalized you into a category, but don't get mad because I didn't mention you specififcally." And then accuse them of failed reading comprehension. Shit's low man.

Poll: Which race? You do not have permission to vote in this poll.
Midlander, for that white bread feel	13.21%	7	13.21%
Highlander, for that bara white bread feel	15.09%	8	15.09%
Miqo'te, because if you can't beat 'em, join 'em!	13.21%	7	13.21%
Elezen, because giraffe jokes never go out of style	13.21%	7	13.21%
Lalafell, because Master Race, apparently	11.32%	6	11.32%
Roegadyn, so I can change his name to "Meat Tenderizer"	28.30%	15	28.30%
Au Ra, because anime is love, anime is life	5.66%	3	5.66%
Total		53 vote(s)	100%

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