(12-24-2014, 02:39 PM)Aysun Wrote:

(12-24-2014, 02:35 PM)Kage Wrote: Obligatory thanks but back to my question.

What makes Keepers more 'prone' to be in a polyamorous relationship than any other race? All the races have intimacy and love in their relationships (ASSumption). What makes them more likely to be in polyamorous relationships than any other individual relationships?

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(12-09-2014, 06:56 PM)allgivenover Wrote: Oh this topic... I can't help but bump it in light of the Keeper lore we got today in 2.45 that pretty much confirmed Myxie's thinking about how Keepers work traditionally.

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(07-20-2013, 05:10 AM)Myxie Tryxle Wrote: Keepers of the Moon – Promiscuity

The mating structure of the Keepers of the Moon is much less covered in the lore.  About the only thing officially known is that it is a matriarchal structure, where the females hold positions of influence.  It is noted in their naming guide that “rarely do even the largest Keeper of the Moon families have more than two or three sons. This is not by choice. Nature merely sees to it that more females are born to this race.”  I have also seen it mentioned that male Keepers are highly nomadic.

Because of the gender gap in terms of numbers and no mention of a harem structure similar to that of the Seekers, it is highly likely that Keepers exhibit a promiscuous mating system.  This is similar to many bird species, and one of the major hallmarks of this type of system is the notion of female choice or sexual selection.  Females choose mates based on subjective criteria that serve no obvious survival benefit aside from attracting mates:  songs, plumage/coloration, mating dances, etc.  This is reinforced by the fact that the starting attributes of a Keeper character favor the mental attributes over the physical.

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"Most unnaturally, they lie with him and him alone!"

Though I may be misunderstanding your question.

(12-24-2014, 02:39 PM)Val Wrote:

(12-24-2014, 02:32 PM)Natalie Mcbeef Wrote:

(12-24-2014, 02:15 PM)Zetchryn Wrote:

(12-24-2014, 02:12 PM)ArmachiA Wrote:

(12-24-2014, 02:08 PM)Faye Wrote: (...) I do think Seeker lifestyle isn't quite polyamory--but I think Keeper lifestyle easily could be).

This is a really good point. I've never thought about it but Keeper's would seem to be more Polyamorous than Seekers.

... I'm not understanding, I think. How so? I'm still VERY new/rough on the lore, so be gentle.

Well the seeker arrangement is more of a societal thing. It's not about love. If one nunh is stronger, they're in charge, the ladies don't get to vote. Though they can leave with the defeated Nunh, this seems rare.

Keeper relationships seem more based on romance and personal connections.

#also thanks freelance, even though you give me so many warnings I still <3 you!

I think, like you said, it's more about society. But it also, to me, seems about duty. Kind of an "everyone for the tribe" so-to-speak. It doesn't mean that the Nunh or tribe as a whole don't respect their women. After all, the women do their hunting and whatnot. They likely know that without them, they wouldn't exist and wouldn't be able to continue their tribe.

(12-24-2014, 02:23 PM)FreelanceWizard Wrote: All,

I'm in the process of cleaning up this thread, which is why it's locked at the moment. Once I'm done, I'm going to unlock it, and normal discussion can proceed.

EDIT: Cleanup complete. I apologize if I zapped any substantive posts by anyone, but as you know, slicing and dicing threads is a challenging process that's more art than science. If you think I missed anything, or if you want anything to be brought back, let me know via PM and I'll see what I can do.

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(12-24-2014, 02:51 PM)ArmachiA Wrote: I assume it's polyamory because monogamy isn't a part of Keeper lifestyle (to the point where it's foreign to them) AND they exhibit love. So it stands to reason the Keepers (Males in particular) will love more than one person and everyone will be fine with that.

(12-24-2014, 03:01 PM)Steel Wolf Wrote: Okay question.  Semi-related.

It would seem that Keeper is the "grindy happy times" race that seems to be prevalent in most fantasy fiction (I'm lookin' at you, Twi'leks)...but there's no real elaboration on how the other races feel about the whole thing, if at all.

I'll assume it's really up to player choice, but I wasn't entirely sure.  I mean, would it be weird for an Elezen to have a polyamorous lifestyle?

(12-24-2014, 03:01 PM)Steel Wolf Wrote: Okay question. Semi-related.

It would seem that Keeper is the "grindy happy times" race that seems to be prevalent in most fantasy fiction (I'm lookin' at you, Twi'leks)...but there's no real elaboration on how the other races feel about the whole thing, if at all.

I'll assume it's really up to player choice, but I wasn't entirely sure. I mean, would it be weird for an Elezen to have a polyamorous lifestyle?

(12-24-2014, 02:57 PM)Kage Wrote:

(12-24-2014, 02:51 PM)ArmachiA Wrote: I assume it's polyamory because monogamy isn't a part of Keeper lifestyle (to the point where it's foreign to them) AND they exhibit love. So it stands to reason the Keepers (Males in particular) will love more than one person and everyone will be fine with that.

As I've stated I'm very much not familiar where that is, and I'm soooo sorry if this is de-railing Lili's thread but the point was made about races and stuff, where is monogamy not part of the Keeper lifestyle? I understand that there are just lots less male miqo'te (seeker and keeper) but I don't see why it's close to if then.

(12-24-2014, 02:53 PM)Daitokuji Wrote:

(12-24-2014, 02:39 PM)Val Wrote:

(12-24-2014, 02:32 PM)Natalie Mcbeef Wrote:

(12-24-2014, 02:15 PM)Zetchryn Wrote:

(12-24-2014, 02:12 PM)ArmachiA Wrote: This is a really good point. I've never thought about it but Keeper's would seem to be more Polyamorous than Seekers.

... I'm not understanding, I think. How so? I'm still VERY new/rough on the lore, so be gentle.

Well the seeker arrangement is more of a societal thing. It's not about love. If one nunh is stronger, they're in charge, the ladies don't get to vote. Though they can leave with the defeated Nunh, this seems rare.

Keeper relationships seem more based on romance and personal connections.

#also thanks freelance, even though you give me so many warnings I still <3 you!

I think, like you said, it's more about society. But it also, to me, seems about duty. Kind of an "everyone for the tribe" so-to-speak. It doesn't mean that the Nunh or tribe as a whole don't respect their women. After all, the women do their hunting and whatnot. They likely know that without them, they wouldn't exist and wouldn't be able to continue their tribe.

I feel like it's not only a duty, some tendency for this may be built into their DNA. Not just any male Miqo'te can become a Nuhn, it's not just a political title.  He should represent the best breed and offer the best combination of physical and intellectual behaviors.  This makes the Nuhn the most reasonable person to breed with as it helps ensure the next generation carries those traits.

This could also mean that while many Miqo'te females may have relationships with others, with outsiders, that when it comes to breeding she may look for qualities that may or may not be shared with her current romantic partner.  But I'm just speculating.

But polyamory suggests a mutual love based relationship but I don't necessarily feel like that's what's going on when I visit the U-Tribe.  That all seems more like a business relationship.  For all I know, they draw straws for breeding or play lottery.  I have no idea.  But I don't think that romantic love plays all that much of a part.

However, there is more than one kind of love.  Love of family, love of community, love for each other, and those might play a much larger role and could be a sort of foundation for polyamory but that's probably a stretch.

This is all just my opinion and interpretation, of course.

(12-24-2014, 03:07 PM)Daitokuji Wrote:

(12-24-2014, 02:57 PM)Kage Wrote:

(12-24-2014, 02:51 PM)ArmachiA Wrote: I assume it's polyamory because monogamy isn't a part of Keeper lifestyle (to the point where it's foreign to them) AND they exhibit love. So it stands to reason the Keepers (Males in particular) will love more than one person and everyone will be fine with that.

As I've stated I'm very much not familiar where that is, and I'm soooo sorry if this is de-railing Lili's thread but the point was made about races and stuff, where is monogamy not part of the Keeper lifestyle? I understand that there are just lots less male miqo'te (seeker and keeper) but I don't see why it's close to if then.

I don't think it was in the lore until very very recently.  The dialogue Aysun posted a few posts back showed the offense and chagrin Mauh Lihzeh felt over some Keepers being held by King Poach: "most unnaturally they lie with him and him alone."

To me, that suggests Keepers are very used to sharing and would likely resist monogamy.  Whereas Seekers are expected to be monogamous to the Nuhn (same-sex relationships notwithstanding in my particular tribe).