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Kurt S. · **08-05-2015, 01:07 AM**

So I take it I'll have to figure out the State of Ishgard this takes place in....because I also doubt [redacted] would be so severe after coming into power.

Hmmm so the point of asking this could even be rendered moot then.Â

Ah well thanks for input at least. I'm honestly not sure which state of Ishgard my friend in question is RPing in. So it could be she asked Ramen to poke around, whether it's during or post msq. Which complicates this.

So much for something phoenix wright-y or Tyrion on trial...y.

I do wonder if outsiders face harsher trial conditions or not. Since everyome is all going on about noble v commoner. Ramen is Ul'dahn not Ishgardian

Zelmanov · **08-05-2015, 01:38 AM**

As for Ishgardian vs Outsider, the rules are unilateral, not harsher, but definitely will appear harsher to an outsider. There is an NPC in Dragonhead that makes it clear to some Adventurers that "Our country so you must abide our rules". Â

Not to mention how Tataru and Alphinaud were treated.

LiadansWhisper · **08-05-2015, 01:41 AM**

One thing I've honestly wondered for some time is...we know that Gridania and Ishgard have some historical ties. Â It's why Ishgard came to Gridania's defense when Ala Mhigo tried to conquer Gridania. Â However, Gridania's patron is Nophica, and Ishgard's patron is Halone.

Halone and Nophica hate each other.

I've always wondered exactly how that works.

myahele · **08-05-2015, 08:50 AM**

I'm pretty sure if the Ishgardians weren't fighting Dragons that they'd end up fighting and/or invading Girdania for it's fertile lands.

Culturally, they're kinda the same in that they're both isolationist, but I think there's been some mentions (in 1.0) that Ishgardians would go into Gridanian lands to cut down trees/ poach.

V'aleera · **08-05-2015, 01:57 PM**

Most of what I remember of the lore on the matter suggests that Ishgardians are extremely conscious of the Pact of Gelmorra and their own need to abide by it when in the Shroud. They've had a very fruitful relationship with Gridania for 100 years and I can't see them wanting to damage that.

Ashe · **08-05-2015, 02:17 PM**

Hi, friend! (Are you doing favors for me and Adeya? Will we get to save you from certain death...????)
That's easy....
You'll get pushed off a cliff...though IN Ishgard you may have to go through trial by combat if you so choose to do so.Â

Post MSQ....others have pointed that out >>
Uuuuh, if you want to involve your FC in some stuff, we can help you work through stuff too. Ishgard (specifically getting arrested and almost killed) is what we're good at!!

If this friend is Adeya--we are RPing post MSQ

Kurt S. · **08-05-2015, 07:01 PM**

(08-05-2015, 02:17 PM)Ashe Wrote: Hi, friend! (Are you doing favors for me and Adeya? Will we get to save you from certain death...????)
That's easy....
You'll get pushed off a cliff...though IN Ishgard you may have to go through trial by combat if you so choose to do so.Â

Post MSQ....others have pointed that out >>
Uuuuh, if you want to involve your FC in some stuff, we can help you work through stuff too. Ishgard (specifically getting arrested and almost killed) is what we're good at!!

If this friend is Adeya--we are RPing post MSQ

This makes things much less complicated for me...

But hey if you wanna try (getting her in trouble first then) saving her I guess we could try to whip something up. Some sort of heresy or other ishgardian crime related thing. Because of something or other. My brain doesnt work atm.

I mean, I'd think [redacted] would not be so severe as to arrest someone and put them on trial simply for asking around about something. But I guess there might still be a shitload of really gung ho ishgardians out there, there's that possibility at least.

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