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Khadan · **02-21-2015, 07:13 PM**

(02-21-2015, 04:04 PM)Atoli Wrote:
(02-21-2015, 09:17 AM)Kayllen Wrote: 3: your point is that they aren't xenophobic because they are xenophobic?Â
3.5: I linked an imgur album taken by an rpc member showing the myriad ways that Gridanians think and feel about others. You've failed to address that in favor of doubling down on your original statement of the subjective view as the WoL.

I don't think Ashren was trying to say they weren't xenophobic, merely pointing out that Ala Mhigans were a bad example due to their terrible standing with one another brought upon then by their rocky relations in the past. Its pretty obvious they wouldn't like Ala Mhigans after that whole shebang blew up in Ala Mhigo's face. That example alone is quite a reasonable one, so its not the soundest example of xebophobia simply because its quite justified and rational.

This is all super off-topic though :S

It is understandable completely to not want to invite a former enemy into your home even if they are in need and conquered from an outside power. I had a friend remind me that the majority of the distrust/xenophobia is because of the accrual of woodsin from entering the hedge. Wariness of outsiders leads to xenophobia which leads us to where we are now; don't want strangers messing up your home so therefore outsiders are glared at because they could potentially ruin everything.

As my buddy stated, there's zero proof that they're -not- outsider-unfriendly and the very fact that a lot of people get that impression about them in the first place disproves Ashren's initial points about Gridania.Â

As I stated in my original post, though, we're talking about cultures, lots of history, and how cultures end up the way that they are and how they might be slowly shifted. =)

Ashren Dotharl · **02-21-2015, 09:20 PM**

(02-21-2015, 12:17 PM)Intaki Wrote:
(02-21-2015, 09:16 AM)Ashren Snow Wrote: The big difference though is that Gridania doesn't shun the outside world. They willingly participated in the Eorzea Alliance before
Technically so did Ishgard. A reeeeeally long time ago.

That is a huge technicality. It has been stated that the extent of Ishgards part in the Eorzean Alliance is pretty much the extent of their part in current affairs. They told everyone to stay the hell out of Coerthas, and in return they would offer them meager supplies when they could. So essentially they were only ever part of the Eorzea Alliance in name alone. I believe at that point in time the only thing they really did was give Gridania Chocobos, which is why Bentbranch has their own stable.

V'aleera · **02-21-2015, 10:57 PM**

(02-21-2015, 09:20 PM)Ashren Snow Wrote: That is a huge technicality.

That's the best kind.

Khadan · **02-22-2015, 01:20 AM**

(02-21-2015, 09:20 PM)Ashren Snow Wrote:
(02-21-2015, 12:17 PM)Intaki Wrote:
(02-21-2015, 09:16 AM)Ashren Snow Wrote: The big difference though is that Gridania doesn't shun the outside world. They willingly participated in the Eorzea Alliance before
Technically so did Ishgard. A reeeeeally long time ago.
That is a huge technicality. It has been stated that the extent of Ishgards part in the Eorzean Alliance is pretty much the extent of their part in current affairs. They told everyone to stay the hell out of Coerthas, and in return they would offer them meager supplies when they could. So essentially they were only ever part of the Eorzea Alliance in name alone. I believe at that point in time the only thing they really did was give Gridania Chocobos, which is why Bentbranch has their own stable.

I'd need a source on something like that before I could even contemplate believing it.

To my knowledge no such source exists thus we have absolutely no bearing on how large or small their involvement was in the Eorzean Alliance. What we do know is that the Ishgardians bred the finest chocobo mounts on the continent and that prior to the Calamity almost no female chocobos existed south of Ishgard because they wanted to monopolize the trade and did so pretty effectively. Fairly certain it's a Bentbranch NPC who explains that but anyway, even IF, and it's a big if, the Ishgardians only supplied chocobos to the rest of Eorzea? That's still a pretty large contribution. But since we don't know what they did and how much then it's really doing no one any favors to make assumptions with little-to-no backing.

Ashren Dotharl · **02-22-2015, 01:40 AM**

(02-22-2015, 01:20 AM)Kayllen Wrote:
(02-21-2015, 09:20 PM)Ashren Snow Wrote:
(02-21-2015, 12:17 PM)Intaki Wrote:
(02-21-2015, 09:16 AM)Ashren Snow Wrote: The big difference though is that Gridania doesn't shun the outside world. They willingly participated in the Eorzea Alliance before
Technically so did Ishgard. A reeeeeally long time ago.
That is a huge technicality. It has been stated that the extent of Ishgards part in the Eorzean Alliance is pretty much the extent of their part in current affairs. They told everyone to stay the hell out of Coerthas, and in return they would offer them meager supplies when they could. So essentially they were only ever part of the Eorzea Alliance in name alone. I believe at that point in time the only thing they really did was give Gridania Chocobos, which is why Bentbranch has their own stable.

I'd need a source on something like that before I could even contemplate believing it.

To my knowledge no such source exists thus we have absolutely no bearing on how large or small their involvement was in the Eorzean Alliance. What we do know is that the Ishgardians bred the finest chocobo mounts on the continent and that prior to the Calamity almost no female chocobos existed south of Ishgard because they wanted to monopolize the trade and did so pretty effectively. Fairly certain it's a Bentbranch NPC who explains that but anyway, even IF, and it's a big if, the Ishgardians only supplied chocobos to the rest of Eorzea? That's still a pretty large contribution. But since we don't know what they did and how much then it's really doing no one any favors to make assumptions with little-to-no backing.

Edit: Okay so a friend of mine corrected me, they did actually send soldiers to reinforce the ranks of the Alliance during the Autumn War but their primary function in the war was providing supplies and chocobos (which at that point were non-existent outside of Ishgard, not because of a monopoly but because of an epidemic called the Chocobo Blight).

At this point however we have completely gone off track from the original point of this debate which was my joke about how Ishgardians are anything but inclusive. So I will just reiterate my point that while Gridania may be somewhat wary of outsiders, I'd say they are far from xenophobic. The numerous points in recent history where they are present and assisting other nations shows this. I do agree with you on the point about Ul'dah being a "good ol' boys club" or however you put it, however if you've been paying attention to the storyline at all you'll know this is likely to change very VERY soon. How much is up for debate, but we know that the socio-political climate in Ul'dah is shifting very rapidly.

So that brings up back to Ishgard. Their presence in historical events, even in recent events has been incredibly miniscule, and only now are they even bothering to extend an olive branch to outsiders because of the deeds of MC and because they need our help, and even then they are barely able to admit that.

With all that said, I'm going to step out of this thread to prevent it from being derailed any further.

TheLastCandle · **02-22-2015, 03:02 AM**

I think that there will be an initial surge of interest in the area, with a number of new Ishgardian characters being created and Free Companies being formed to attempt to capitalize on said popularity, but after the honeymoon phase, it will taper off and return to the status quo with only those scant few possessing a vested, personal interest in distinctively Ishgardian roleplay remaining there. At the risk of sounding like an arse (I promise I'm not, though!) that's what I hope.

ChewableMorphine · **02-22-2015, 03:06 AM**

It's gonna be the loldrg capital of Eorzea. Rumor has it that loldrgs choose their alpha male through whomever has the biggest stabstick, or, alternatively, the lowest magdef :^)

Expect the place to either become the new Mor Dhona or a place where RP goes to die, in which "m-muh Fury" RPers and Au Ra will flood the premises.

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