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Kage · **11-26-2014, 10:27 AM**

The biggest issue I have with end-game Xstar crafting is the big RNG factor to its entry.
RNG in the melds. OH GOD THE MELDS.

RNG in HQ. I can't guarantee HQ crafts on stuff using NQ mats. I need a few HQ mats for my spicy tomato relishes so I guarantee HQ. I haven't learned the best rotation to get it where I only have a few NQ. Damn you RNG.

Gegenji · **11-26-2014, 10:34 AM**

Yeah, I still need to do some reading up on proper rotations and the cross-class skills to use for normal crafting. Doing the higher level Ixali dailies hammered in quite clearly that I had no idea what I was doing. Laugh

I got frustrated enough with the Ixali dailies that limited my CP. I can't imagine trying to fight the RNG for the star-crafting.

Steel Wolf · **11-26-2014, 10:45 AM**

(11-26-2014, 10:34 AM)Gegenji Wrote: Yeah, I still need to do some reading up on proper rotations and the cross-class skills to use for normal crafting.

Same here, actually. I do well enough and was just sort of derping around not taking the whole thing terribly seriously. I got crafting done and enjoyed myself, but I suppose if I'm to be a crafter of worth then I had better step up my game/rotation.

Kage · **11-27-2014, 10:36 PM**

HOW DO YOU 3STAR+ PEOPLE DO IT.

I'm trying to get my CUL Supra and right now I'm making ALL THE RELISH so i can level GSM desynth. STUPID FIELDCRAFT III AND MASTERCRAFT DEMIMATERIA.

/cry

Kellach Woods · **11-27-2014, 10:39 PM**

I just don't have the cash nor the knowledge to join you. I think I'll stay 1-star just because of that.

Although personally I don't think it's that bad until you hit 4-star. Just gotta trust more in the YOLO.

**Unnamed Mercenary** · **11-27-2014, 11:35 PM**

(11-27-2014, 10:36 PM)Kage Wrote: HOW DO YOU 3STAR+ PEOPLE DO IT.

I'm trying to get my CUL Supra and right now I'm making ALL THE RELISH Â so i can level GSM desynth. STUPID FIELDCRAFT III AND MASTERCRAFT DEMIMATERIA.

/cry

http://www.ffxivguild.com/ffxiv-end-game...ster-star/

3stars are easy. No artisan gear (aside from the main hand) required if you melded right. ...with artisan clothes melded right, you can use AF and unmelding artisan OH with melded accessories/belt and easily hit 3star.

note: you cannot 100% macro these. You have to rely on getting a tricks of the trade stack.

Oscare · **11-28-2014, 12:20 AM**

If it makes you crafty people feel any better, a good chunk of the i110 crafted gear will probably sell extremely well for a long time not only because they're hella good looking and pretty, but they're legitimate BiS items when melded correctly. The new BRD chest piece is BIS and outranks both the new i130 chest pieces when HQ and melded properly. Which means I probably won't get my hands on it until like, late 2.5 lol

The 4-star market is built to last a long time. And all those new housing things make a good buck.

Kellach Woods · **11-28-2014, 12:24 AM**

Macroing takes the fun out of the craft, I think.

Can't seem to find anything that sells remotely well that I could do at this level, too.

KitKat · **12-02-2014, 04:59 AM**

(11-28-2014, 12:24 AM)Kellach Woods Wrote: Macroing takes the fun out of the craft, I think.

Say that when you're done crafting your 300th Spicy Tomato Relish without a macro. You'll want to shoot yourself.

Warren Castille · **12-02-2014, 08:34 AM**

(11-28-2014, 12:20 AM)Oscare Wrote: If it makes you crafty people feel any better, a good chunk of the i110 crafted gear will probably sell extremely well for a long time not only because they're hella good looking and pretty, but they're legitimate BiS items when melded correctly. The new BRD chest piece is BIS and outranks both the new i130 chest pieces when HQ and melded properly. Which means I probably won't get my hands on it until like, late 2.5 lol

The 4-star market is built to last a long time. And all those new housing things make a good buck.

We discussed this a bit yesterday but I've gotta knock you on it again. There's not a chance the i130 dreadwyrm body is outperformed by a crafted piece with 11 less dexterity and 11 less determination. The crafted body can be augmented with 36 more crit, which will not outperform 11 dexterity. That doesn't even mention the passive benefit of 10 vitality.

I don't want to derail a crafting thread into another conversation about how heavily stats are weighted, but it's misleading to tell people quint-melding i110 gear will outperform raid equipment.

Kellach Woods · **12-02-2014, 08:51 AM**

(12-02-2014, 04:59 AM)TheCurls Wrote: Say that when you're done crafting your 300th Spicy Tomato Relish without a macro. You'll want to shoot yourself.

Melding RNG is likely more painful than that.

Kage · **12-02-2014, 05:05 PM**

(12-02-2014, 04:59 AM)TheCurls Wrote:
(11-28-2014, 12:24 AM)Kellach Woods Wrote: Macroing takes the fun out of the craft, I think.

Say that when you're done crafting your 300th Spicy Tomato Relish without a macro. You'll want to shoot yourself.

There's a reason after awhile that I started to use a macro. Brain. mush.

They're both painful. So. Very. Painful. Watching material after material blow up.

Aysun · **12-02-2014, 11:14 PM**

(11-01-2014, 08:31 PM)Gharen Wrote: I pretty much ground my crafting to a halt with the mastercrafts, Hiding everything behind a wall of Gil and RNG for melds is a sure fire way to get alot of people to flat out not even bother. Only reason I see to work on crafting classes any longer is to repair my own gear and outfit my lower lvl classes.

This is me.

Kellach Woods · **12-04-2014, 08:55 PM**

For future reference, melding everything to max meld in belt/jewelry is not enough to push from 1-star to 2-star, COUNTING THE EHCATL SMITHING GLOVES.

So if anyone is wondering why the hell does nobody try their hand at crafting? 'cause they give up FAAAAAR before the Spicy Tomato Relish step. Much less at 4-star.

Ilwe'ran · **12-04-2014, 08:58 PM**

(12-04-2014, 08:55 PM)Kellach Woods Wrote: For future reference, melding everything to max meld in belt/jewelry is not enough to push from 1-star to 2-star, COUNTING THE EHCATL SMITHING GLOVES.

So if anyone is wondering why the hell does nobody try their hand at crafting? 'cause they give up FAAAAAR before the Spicy Tomato Relish step.

I don't know what you mean by this, once full meld you shouldn't have any troubles with 2 stars (I was doing mines without melding, without i70 gloves or else).

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