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cuideag · **01-04-2015, 03:45 PM**

(01-02-2015, 04:45 AM)Shoshopu Wrote: re: cross-race offspring and size differences

My personal headcanon thus far is that it works like in the Elder Scrolls or Pokemon, where the offspring are the same species/race as the mother and inherit some minor traits from the father. Roegadyn male + lalafell female is like this game's Wailord + Surskitty, really.

This sums up my view of it. IMO the fact that all the races are considered of the same species or whatever it is the Word of God said makes it a little silly to try and rationalize anything in terms of real-world logic and comparisons.

Zyrusticae · **01-04-2015, 04:03 PM**

I still don't understand that mindset. It's extremely limiting and kills phylogenetic variety dead. It would imply that the races are always going to be fit within those specific physical limits and that there are NO individuals who are outliers. (Granted, this fits in keeping with the lack of body sliders but that is NOT a plus in my mind.) It also means that the races are 'designed' and, frankly, that's just a boring tack to take in my mind.

The only benefit of using that route is making the question of childbirth easier to answer, and given all the rest of the downsides I do not believe for a second that it is worth it.

Naunet · **01-04-2015, 04:57 PM**

(01-03-2015, 11:32 PM)Mae Wrote: ... I guess in a way what I was picturing was a sort of reverse of what the Seekers have when it comes to breeding rights -- a Keeper Matriarch is like a Nuhn, and all her sisters/daughters are like Tias. Since the breeding pool consists of one male, it -is- a monogamous relationship. There's just potential that a male could have multiple partners over the course of his breeding life because he got traded to a family that is prone to drama and backstabbing >_>

I wanna point out that this would not be a very good way to maintain a genetically healthy population.

Xiaoli Vorgan · **01-04-2015, 05:16 PM**

(01-03-2015, 10:13 PM)theincubuslord Wrote:
(01-03-2015, 10:05 PM)Kinono Wrote:
(01-03-2015, 09:53 PM)theincubuslord Wrote: What for?

Is it the part that people don't think Lalas are sexy?
Or maybe because people don't think it appropriate to crossbreed Lalas with other races?

Came back to this thread to read up just as the whole Lala conversation started up. If I were a anime, I'd have that giant awkward tear floating by my face as I back away slowly.

I don't believe a Roe penis would be the size of a whole lala.. but probably a lala arm or leg. Which then makes my uterus cringe for a poor lala female since that's basically imagining myself getting porked with my own arm.

That moment you imagine something you can't unimagine.

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Cato · **01-04-2015, 05:51 PM**

I think it's understandable to be uneasy about that sort of thing. Massive size differences tend to involve a lot of pain. It's why the 'bigger is better' thing is a bit of a myth when it comes to the size of one's sausage.

I mean, sure it's a fantasy setting but those who like a bit of realism in their role-play are going to flinch at the mere thought.

Flickering Ember · **01-05-2015, 12:31 AM**

(01-03-2015, 03:11 PM)Mae Wrote:
(01-03-2015, 06:25 AM)Kismet Wrote: But nothing with Lalafell, because... No.
If we had another small race, I wouldn't have a problem with the concept; Lala's aren't some weird race that stays children forever. But as they are right now, I picture a Lala carrying a pureblood Lala baby the same way a kiwi carries an egg before laying it:

Doyouseehowinsanelygiantthateggiscomparedtotherestofthebird?!Â

Yes, they've evolved to handle birthing something that proportionally big, but I can't see how they'd handle something bigger due to breeding with a larger race without complications. And, dear gods, think about Lala's having twins (or more!) with that sort of proportion..!

Wait, what? Where are you getting this from? A lalafell baby wouldn't be the size of a regular human baby. A lalafell baby would be proportional to the lalafell body in the same way that a human baby is proportional to a human mother's body. In regards to other posters in this thread commenting on lalafell mothers, I am not seeing how the specifics of the lalafell birthing process would be any more difficult than a human's. A lalafell baby is going to be much smaller than a human's baby... by a lot! I know lalafell have huge heads, but it's not like we have the same size heads our entire life.

Or, if people have a thing for bizarre fantasy race biology, then I guess a kiwi could work too. Surprise

Recoil · **01-05-2015, 01:18 AM**

An Au Ra Hellsguard hybrid would probably look pretty wicked!

Edgar · **01-05-2015, 01:28 AM**

(01-05-2015, 01:18 AM)Fuzz Wrote: An Au Ra Hellsguard hybrid would probably look pretty wicked!

What I just pictured in my head right now.

Zyrusticae · **01-05-2015, 01:38 AM**

(01-05-2015, 12:31 AM)Flickering Ember Wrote: A lalafell baby is going to be much smaller than a human's baby... by a lot! I know lalafell have huge heads, but it's not like we have the same size heads our entire life.

The head is the single biggest and most difficult part of the baby to push out during the birthing process. This is not a trivial fact. If it's true for humans it would be especially true for Lalafell babies. Unless they birth them earlier (a dubious claim to make considering human babies are already birthed at a stage of development that is earlier than most other placental mammals) their babies are going to have heads of comparable or even larger size.

In fact, a lot of the things surrounding Lalafells are just simply biologically dubious and I really want to take the devs to task on a lot of this stuff....

Recoil · **01-05-2015, 01:56 AM**

(01-05-2015, 01:28 AM)Edgar Wrote:
(01-05-2015, 01:18 AM)Fuzz Wrote: An Au Ra Hellsguard hybrid would probably look pretty wicked!

What I just pictured in my head right now.

Kinono · **01-05-2015, 04:05 AM**

(01-05-2015, 01:38 AM)Zyrusticae Wrote: The head is the single biggest and most difficult part of the baby to push out during the birthing process. This is not a trivial fact. If it's true for humans it would be especially true for Lalafell babies. Unless they birth them earlier (a dubious claim to make considering human babies are already birthed at a stage of development that is earlier than most other placental mammals) their babies are going to have heads of comparable or even larger size.

In fact, a lot of the things surrounding Lalafells are just simply biologically dubious and I really want to take the devs to task on a lot of this stuff....

One thing I find a lot of people don't notice is that lalafell heads are actually largerÂ than most other races' heads, despite the smaller body size. If you take my lala and any miqo'te (you know, just for example, but it applies most places. I haven't personaly compared myself to any roegadyn) and put their heads side-by-side, the difference is very noticeable.

One time, ICly, (and there may be some here who could remember this Tongue

Â ) someone asked Kinono's husband about the size of lalafell babies, and he pointed to the mammet minion I had summoned for reference. While there's no way of knowing these things for sure, honestly looking at the thing, and comparing the proportions, it seems like it's be a fair assumption for an on-the-spot guess.

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C'kayah Polaali · **01-05-2015, 06:03 PM**

(01-05-2015, 01:38 AM)Zyrusticae Wrote:
(01-05-2015, 12:31 AM)Flickering Ember Wrote: A lalafell baby is going to be much smaller than a human's baby... by a lot! I know lalafell have huge heads, but it's not like we have the same size heads our entire life.
The head is the single biggest and most difficult part of the baby to push out during the birthing process. This is not a trivial fact. If it's true for humans it would be especially true for Lalafell babies. Unless they birth them earlier (a dubious claim to make considering human babies are already birthed at a stage of development that is earlier than most other placental mammals) their babies are going to have heads of comparable or even larger size.

In fact, a lot of the things surrounding Lalafells are just simply biologically dubious and I really want to take the devs to task on a lot of this stuff....

At the same time, Lalafell hips are proportionately very wide, and their torsos are very long. There's plenty of room for a bigger-than-proportional uterus, and - assuming their wide hips reflect wide pelvises - them to birth children with normal sized heads.

C'kayah Polaali · **01-05-2015, 06:07 PM**

(01-04-2015, 05:16 PM)Xiaoli Vorgan Wrote:
(01-03-2015, 10:13 PM)theincubuslord Wrote:
(01-03-2015, 10:05 PM)Kinono Wrote:
(01-03-2015, 09:53 PM)theincubuslord Wrote: What for?

Is it the part that people don't think Lalas are sexy?
Or maybe because people don't think it appropriate to crossbreed Lalas with other races?

Came back to this thread to read up just as the whole Lala conversation started up. If I were a anime, I'd have that giant awkward tear floating by my face as I back away slowly.

I don't believe a Roe penis would be the size of a whole lala.. but probably a lala arm or leg. Which then makes my uterus cringe for a poor lala female since that's basically imagining myself getting porked with my own arm.

That moment you imagine something you can't unimagine.

Sorry, but my own personal Roegadyn headcanon is now informed by the gorilla's infamous 1.5" penis. Big Grin

Blue · **01-06-2015, 08:09 AM**

Tuning in because I just remembered of another clear case in which culture makes cross-clan breeding a rare and frowned upon thing.

According to the Elezen naming conventions, no elezen last name will be found to be shared between both clans. This is a great sign of the disdain and general scorn that flows between the two clans (and that they give themselves names such as "Gray" and "Green" is a pretty obvious one too). If a Duskwight and a Wilwood were to mate, the last name of one of the parents would be passed down to the offspring, which in either case would be seen in the wrong because of its mixed heritage, thus unable to receive either last name and still claim to belong to its "right clan" (since it'd be of both and none of the clans at the same time).

Personally I RP both my Elezen being very aware of the differences between the two clans, and try to keep away from characters of the opposed clan (with my female Duskwight being certainly the more aggressive about it, since my male Wildwood is more kind-hearted. He however still keeps a general defensive behavior when a Duskwight is nearby.).

As for the new Keeper lore coming from the Moogle mail quests... well, waaay to go SE. Destroyed my whole one-year old plot with information that should've come much much sooner. I think I'll stick to my own point of view because I don't feel like retconning one year worth of story. Time to put a huge disclaimer on Jet'a and Kujh'a's wikis!

Xiaoli Vorgan · **01-06-2015, 09:18 AM**

(01-05-2015, 06:07 PM)Ckayah Polaali Wrote:
(01-04-2015, 05:16 PM)Xiaoli Vorgan Wrote:
(01-03-2015, 10:13 PM)theincubuslord Wrote:
(01-03-2015, 10:05 PM)Kinono Wrote:
(01-03-2015, 09:53 PM)theincubuslord Wrote: What for?

Is it the part that people don't think Lalas are sexy?
Or maybe because people don't think it appropriate to crossbreed Lalas with other races?

Came back to this thread to read up just as the whole Lala conversation started up. If I were a anime, I'd have that giant awkward tear floating by my face as I back away slowly.

I don't believe a Roe penis would be the size of a whole lala.. but probably a lala arm or leg. Which then makes my uterus cringe for a poor lala female since that's basically imagining myself getting porked with my own arm.

That moment you imagine something you can't unimagine.

Sorry, but my own personal Roegadyn headcanon is now informed by the gorilla's infamous 1.5" penis.

I was meaning possible average sized... Also, someone called the part a sausage... just as I was eating my breakfast and it made me giggle.
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