RPC has moved! These pages have been kept for historical purposes

SicketySix · **04-13-2015, 05:13 PM**

(04-13-2015, 02:06 PM)Zyrusticae Wrote: Ageism in full effect in this thread...

Just gonna say, I really, really do not give two craps about what ages people give their characters (and this I say as someone playing a warrior who's approaching middle age). There are all kinds of issues you run into when you're so concerned with what's 'plausible' and what isn't in the context of a fictional universe. Some things are reasonable - the laws of physics and how aether works and whatnot are all requred to keep things working and everyone running on the same playing field. On the other hand, if someone wants to play a young prodigy I see little to gain from preventing them from doing so outside of satisfying your own (ageist) snobbery. Like I keep saying, it's all about execution: someone who is such a genius in martial arts would undoubtedly have other issues - including issues from other, older peers who exhibit behavior towards them that is undoubtedly similar to some of the attitudes you see on here towards younger, hyper-competent characters.

Ultimately, I think throwing things out based on premise is a really poor practice that needs to stop sooner than later. You miss out on a lot of cool stuff if you ignore things just because the premise sounds boring or overwrought or outrageous to you. You never know when you're going to be surprised. This is especially important because there is only a limited palette to draw from to create any particular premise, hence it all comes down to execution in the end. We draw from the same sources to recreate the same stories over and over again, but the way those stories are told can change dramatically between tellings, and one telling can resonate with one person far better than it does another.

Agree to disagree. I could write a compelling piece on how my 2yr old defeated Eorzea's best at the Grindstone, but that still doesn't make it plausible, even if it was executed properly.

Exaggerated for effect.

Zelmanov · **04-13-2015, 05:24 PM**

I also want to bring up that most likely, a lot of Ishgardians, especially Dragoons who are in their 20's range right now

HAVEN'T SEEN JACK **** OF THE HORDE.

why? because Nidhogg is the true big baddy where things go to all hell. The last time he did that was 20 years ago. People of younger age were either not born, or children young enough to not remember.

I am CERTAIN there is a fantastic spectrum of "Think I'm good" Dragoons that are about to get a massive reality check when the true might of the horde comes bearing down on Ishgard come Nidhogg's reawakening.

Orrin's the "Absurdly brave/blinded by duty" type that was listed before, but it is easy to imagine that Vishap finally drove home why they have been fighting for 1000 years for many a soldier and dragoon.

Those Dragoons in their 40's or so that lived are like the WWII vets looking at the new blood going to Vietnam at the end of heavensward, I am certain.

Zyrusticae · **04-13-2015, 05:46 PM**

(04-13-2015, 05:13 PM)Casden Reeves Wrote: Agree to disagree. I could write a compelling piece on how my 2yr old defeated Eorzea's best at the Grindstone, but that still doesn't make it plausible, even if it was executed properly.

Exaggerated for effect.

Well, you are already limited by the game itself simply because the character creation (and thus, your in-game representation of any given character) is also limited, so I would question a premise like that right off the bat simply for lack of tools with which to do so. Wink

But yes, obviously there is a sliding scale for this sort of thing. The more outrageous you go, the harder it is to get anyone to buy in to the premise. In this case, however, your hyperbole does you little credit as obviously no one would ever even attempt that in the first place. I see your point but it will never happen, and anyone in their late teens (the much more common scenario) is, quite frankly, enough of an adult that I can see it happening even if it is rather unlikely.

At any rate, you might change your mind if you actually read such an amazing story with a series of events crafted in such a way that you cannot help but accept that the way things turned out are the way they should have been - could have been, even. The fact that you reject the idea simply means that this has yet to happen. A shame, but I'll not lose any sleep over it (more because I'm not the one who needs to please you more than anything).

SicketySix · **04-13-2015, 05:50 PM**

(04-13-2015, 05:46 PM)Zyrusticae Wrote:
(04-13-2015, 05:13 PM)Casden Reeves Wrote: Agree to disagree. I could write a compelling piece on how my 2yr old defeated Eorzea's best at the Grindstone, but that still doesn't make it plausible, even if it was executed properly.

Exaggerated for effect.
Well, you are already limited by the game itself simply because the character creation (and thus, your in-game representation of any given character) is also limited, so I would question a premise like that right off the bat simply for lack of tools with which to do so.

But yes, obviously there is a sliding scale for this sort of thing. The more outrageous you go, the harder it is to get anyone to buy in to the premise. In this case, however, your hyperbole does you little credit as obviously no one would ever even attempt that in the first place. I see your point but it will never happen, and anyone in their late teens (the much more common scenario) is, quite frankly, enough of an adult that I can see it happening even if it is rather unlikely.

At any rate, you might change your mind if you actually read such an amazing story with a series of events crafted in such a way that you cannot help but accept that the way things turned out are the way they should have been - could have been, even. The fact that you reject the idea simply means that this has yet to happen. A shame, but I'll not lose any sleep over it (more because I'm not the one who needs to please you more than anything).

I don't think there is a need to please anyone for anything. I am certainly not put to please anyone in particular. I guess we can just write it off as different rp personalities.

Spiritual Machine · **04-13-2015, 05:58 PM**

(04-13-2015, 05:13 PM)Casden Reeves Wrote:
(04-13-2015, 02:06 PM)Zyrusticae Wrote: Ageism in full effect in this thread... :lol:

Just gonna say, I really, really do not give two craps about what ages people give their characters (and this I say as someone playing a warrior who's approaching middle age). There are all kinds of issues you run into when you're so concerned with what's 'plausible' and what isn't in the context of a fictional universe. Some things are reasonable - the laws of physics and how aether works and whatnot are all requred to keep things working and everyone running on the same playing field. On the other hand, if someone wants to play a young prodigy I see little to gain from preventing them from doing so outside of satisfying your own (ageist) snobbery. Like I keep saying, it's all about execution: someone who is such a genius in martial arts would undoubtedly have other issues - including issues from other, older peers who exhibit behavior towards them that is undoubtedly similar to some of the attitudes you see on here towards younger, hyper-competent characters. :)

Ultimately, I think throwing things out based on premise is a really poor practice that needs to stop sooner than later. You miss out on a lot of cool stuff if you ignore things just because the premise sounds boring or overwrought or outrageous to you. You never know when you're going to be surprised. This is especially important because there is only a limited palette to draw from to create any particular premise, hence it all comes down to execution in the end. We draw from the same sources to recreate the same stories over and over again, but the way those stories are told can change dramatically between tellings, and one telling can resonate with one person far better than it does another.

Agree to disagree. I could write a compelling piece on how my 2yr old defeated Eorzea's best at the Grindstone, but that still doesn't make it plausible, even if it was executed properly.

Exaggerated for effect.

You undermined your philosophy when you exaggerated--such a thing would be inconceivable to execute compellingly and is therefore a bad example.Â :P

SicketySix · **04-13-2015, 06:02 PM**

(04-13-2015, 05:58 PM)Spiritual Machine Wrote:
(04-13-2015, 05:13 PM)Casden Reeves Wrote:
(04-13-2015, 02:06 PM)Zyrusticae Wrote: Ageism in full effect in this thread...

Just gonna say, I really, really do not give two craps about what ages people give their characters (and this I say as someone playing a warrior who's approaching middle age). There are all kinds of issues you run into when you're so concerned with what's 'plausible' and what isn't in the context of a fictional universe. Some things are reasonable - the laws of physics and how aether works and whatnot are all requred to keep things working and everyone running on the same playing field. On the other hand, if someone wants to play a young prodigy I see little to gain from preventing them from doing so outside of satisfying your own (ageist) snobbery. Like I keep saying, it's all about execution: someone who is such a genius in martial arts would undoubtedly have other issues - including issues from other, older peers who exhibit behavior towards them that is undoubtedly similar to some of the attitudes you see on here towards younger, hyper-competent characters.

Ultimately, I think throwing things out based on premise is a really poor practice that needs to stop sooner than later. You miss out on a lot of cool stuff if you ignore things just because the premise sounds boring or overwrought or outrageous to you. You never know when you're going to be surprised. This is especially important because there is only a limited palette to draw from to create any particular premise, hence it all comes down to execution in the end. We draw from the same sources to recreate the same stories over and over again, but the way those stories are told can change dramatically between tellings, and one telling can resonate with one person far better than it does another.

Agree to disagree. I could write a compelling piece on how my 2yr old defeated Eorzea's best at the Grindstone, but that still doesn't make it plausible, even if it was executed properly.

Exaggerated for effect.
You undermined your philosophy when you exaggerated--such a thing would be inconceivable to execute compellingly and is therefore a bad example.Â

Exaggerated yes, but the point pretty much stays the same. Just because something can be done, doesn't mean it should be done)

ChewableMorphine · **04-13-2015, 06:06 PM**

(04-13-2015, 11:42 AM)Steel Wolf Wrote: Â A Top Gun Dragoon

ChewableMorphine · **04-13-2015, 06:25 PM**

I can't believe I'm going to make this comparison but the New Goons in Ishgard are literally

[Image: attackontitan3.jpg]

Maybe this is why there's an impulsive dislike toward them.

Warren Castille · **04-13-2015, 06:29 PM**

I don't speak animu, Flynt. {Please use the autotranslate feature.}

(04-13-2015, 05:46 PM)Zyrusticae Wrote:
(04-13-2015, 05:13 PM)Casden Reeves Wrote: Agree to disagree. I could write a compelling piece on how my 2yr old defeated Eorzea's best at the Grindstone, but that still doesn't make it plausible, even if it was executed properly.

Exaggerated for effect.
Well, you are already limited by the game itself simply because the character creation (and thus, your in-game representation of any given character) is also limited, so I would question a premise like that right off the bat simply for lack of tools with which to do so.

But yes, obviously there is a sliding scale for this sort of thing. The more outrageous you go, the harder it is to get anyone to buy in to the premise. In this case, however, your hyperbole does you little credit as obviously no one would ever even attempt that in the first place. I see your point but it will never happen, and anyone in their late teens (the much more common scenario) is, quite frankly, enough of an adult that I can see it happening even if it is rather unlikely.

At any rate, you might change your mind if you actually read such an amazing story with a series of events crafted in such a way that you cannot help but accept that the way things turned out are the way they should have been - could have been, even. The fact that you reject the idea simply means that this has yet to happen. A shame, but I'll not lose any sleep over it (more because I'm not the one who needs to please you more than anything).

That's definitely stopped people from playing children before.

Oh wait.

...no it hasn't.

Chris Ganale · **04-13-2015, 06:30 PM**

(04-13-2015, 06:25 PM)â˜†Flynt Reddardâ˜† Wrote: I can't believe I'm going to make this comparison but the New Goons in Ishgard are literally

Maybe this is why there's an impulsive dislike toward them.

Not exactly inaccurate. And I find that amusing.

Val · **04-13-2015, 06:58 PM**

(04-13-2015, 06:29 PM)Warren Castille Wrote: I don't speak animu, Flynt. {Please use the autotranslate feature.}

(04-13-2015, 05:46 PM)Zyrusticae Wrote:
(04-13-2015, 05:13 PM)Casden Reeves Wrote: Agree to disagree. I could write a compelling piece on how my 2yr old defeated Eorzea's best at the Grindstone, but that still doesn't make it plausible, even if it was executed properly.

Exaggerated for effect.
Well, you are already limited by the game itself simply because the character creation (and thus, your in-game representation of any given character) is also limited, so I would question a premise like that right off the bat simply for lack of tools with which to do so.

But yes, obviously there is a sliding scale for this sort of thing. The more outrageous you go, the harder it is to get anyone to buy in to the premise. In this case, however, your hyperbole does you little credit as obviously no one would ever even attempt that in the first place. I see your point but it will never happen, and anyone in their late teens (the much more common scenario) is, quite frankly, enough of an adult that I can see it happening even if it is rather unlikely.

At any rate, you might change your mind if you actually read such an amazing story with a series of events crafted in such a way that you cannot help but accept that the way things turned out are the way they should have been - could have been, even. The fact that you reject the idea simply means that this has yet to happen. A shame, but I'll not lose any sleep over it (more because I'm not the one who needs to please you more than anything).

That's definitely stopped people from playing children before.

Oh wait.

...no it hasn't.

..And this, again. I'm going to go ahead and say the younger your character is and the more skilled they are, the more they lean toward mary sue-ish tendencies. I only say this because typically the only young people you see that are exceptional at any sort of skill are the main protagonists of a story, of which none of our characters are. People may disagree with me, but that's just how I feel about it. A 12 year old prodigy that can do special moves works well when they're the main character of the story. ...But we aren't, so I don't see how it's remotely plausible to defend.

Spiritual Machine · **04-13-2015, 07:18 PM**

(04-13-2015, 06:02 PM)Casden Reeves Wrote:
(04-13-2015, 05:58 PM)Spiritual Machine Wrote:
(04-13-2015, 05:13 PM)Casden Reeves Wrote:
(04-13-2015, 02:06 PM)Zyrusticae Wrote: Ageism in full effect in this thread...

Just gonna say, I really, really do not give two craps about what ages people give their characters (and this I say as someone playing a warrior who's approaching middle age). There are all kinds of issues you run into when you're so concerned with what's 'plausible' and what isn't in the context of a fictional universe. Some things are reasonable - the laws of physics and how aether works and whatnot are all requred to keep things working and everyone running on the same playing field. On the other hand, if someone wants to play a young prodigy I see little to gain from preventing them from doing so outside of satisfying your own (ageist) snobbery. Like I keep saying, it's all about execution: someone who is such a genius in martial arts would undoubtedly have other issues - including issues from other, older peers who exhibit behavior towards them that is undoubtedly similar to some of the attitudes you see on here towards younger, hyper-competent characters.

Ultimately, I think throwing things out based on premise is a really poor practice that needs to stop sooner than later. You miss out on a lot of cool stuff if you ignore things just because the premise sounds boring or overwrought or outrageous to you. You never know when you're going to be surprised. This is especially important because there is only a limited palette to draw from to create any particular premise, hence it all comes down to execution in the end. We draw from the same sources to recreate the same stories over and over again, but the way those stories are told can change dramatically between tellings, and one telling can resonate with one person far better than it does another.

Agree to disagree. I could write a compelling piece on how my 2yr old defeated Eorzea's best at the Grindstone, but that still doesn't make it plausible, even if it was executed properly.

Exaggerated for effect.
You undermined your philosophy when you exaggerated--such a thing would be inconceivable to execute compellingly and is therefore a bad example.Â

Exaggerated yes, but the point pretty much stays the same. Just because something can be done, doesn't mean it should be done)

I thought the point was whether or not something could be played out in a compelling fashion.

I am not at all disagreeing with you that a mighty infant would be an implausible and ridiculous Final Fantasy XIV roleplay character idea. I personally find it dubious at best.

I disagree that you could make it compelling though. I might disagree that anyone could, but, well, we may just never know.

All I'm saying is that we should always judge the product, not the ideas used. How does one judge the merits of an idea alone? Passing judgment on all characters who employ x idea is just rather cynical, isn't it?

C'kayah Polaali · **04-13-2015, 07:19 PM**

(04-13-2015, 02:41 PM)Casden Reeves Wrote: If we are to make a big deal out of this, then we should feel the same about the little 19yr female miqo crime boss that sips tea in the Quicksand all night talking about how deadly she is. (you know who you are)

Speaking as someone who playes a little 31 year old male Miqo crime boss that sips wine in the Quicksand all night listening to all the people talking about how deadly they are, I'd like to know who this person is and why she's not in my employ. Big Grin

Erik Mynhier · **04-13-2015, 07:26 PM**

(04-13-2015, 05:13 PM)Casden Reeves Wrote:
(04-13-2015, 02:06 PM)Zyrusticae Wrote: Ageism in full effect in this thread...

Just gonna say, I really, really do not give two craps about what ages people give their characters (and this I say as someone playing a warrior who's approaching middle age). There are all kinds of issues you run into when you're so concerned with what's 'plausible' and what isn't in the context of a fictional universe. Some things are reasonable - the laws of physics and how aether works and whatnot are all requred to keep things working and everyone running on the same playing field. On the other hand, if someone wants to play a young prodigy I see little to gain from preventing them from doing so outside of satisfying your own (ageist) snobbery. Like I keep saying, it's all about execution: someone who is such a genius in martial arts would undoubtedly have other issues - including issues from other, older peers who exhibit behavior towards them that is undoubtedly similar to some of the attitudes you see on here towards younger, hyper-competent characters.

Ultimately, I think throwing things out based on premise is a really poor practice that needs to stop sooner than later. You miss out on a lot of cool stuff if you ignore things just because the premise sounds boring or overwrought or outrageous to you. You never know when you're going to be surprised. This is especially important because there is only a limited palette to draw from to create any particular premise, hence it all comes down to execution in the end. We draw from the same sources to recreate the same stories over and over again, but the way those stories are told can change dramatically between tellings, and one telling can resonate with one person far better than it does another.

Agree to disagree. I could write a compelling piece on how my 2yr old defeated Eorzea's best at the Grindstone, but that still doesn't make it plausible, even if it was executed properly.

Exaggerated for effect.

True story, my 6yr old has tanked with my character all the hm primals except odin and did about 3mins on the Steps of Faith while I used the restroom... #proudgamerdaddy

Back on topic I think it goes to another thread active here about soldiers with aether. Taking in Warren's thought and the mentioned thread I agree with him age is a factor. Yes everyone deserves a chance to rp something new, but in the world as is it is unrealistic that a rookie, even a prodigy, would be able to stand to a vet. For all you militay out there, think back to basic... that old instructer, in his 50s, he could have kicked every one of our "prime of our life" asses. Know martial arts? So what he could kick our ass. Footballer? Body builder? Just big? Didnt matter, bexause no matter your skill, no matter how much potential, experience beats potential everytime.

Chris Ganale · **04-13-2015, 07:34 PM**

Your kid is my hero.

« Next Oldest \| Next Newest »
Pages (10): « Previous 1 2 3 4 5 … 10 Next » Jump to page:

Lore drops concerning Dragoon via the Heavensward Opening:

RPC has moved! These pages have been kept for historical purposes