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Knight Kat · **12-15-2013, 11:15 PM**

(12-15-2013, 03:57 PM)Aysun Wrote:
(12-14-2013, 03:27 AM)Knight Kat Wrote: Ah well, it was worth asking I suppose.

You'd think that the traditional Miqo'te tribes and clans wouldn't be so quick to assimilate a common Eorzean language as their primary language. Also, Miqo'te names are so different from the common language's words that you'd think they would have to know at least a bit of the old language so that they can continue to give their children traditional names.Â

It's not been quick. Miqo'te have been in Eorzea for quite a long time. They migrated during the 5th Umbral era, between 1500 and 4000 years ago. They're not as primitive as most people like to assume.

While I've never done the math to see when the fifth Umbral Era took place, and didn't know it was 1,500 to 4,000 years ago, I did know that the fifth Ubral Era is when they migrated. I didn't mean that they should be primitive, and never said they were. I don't equate traditional with primitive. Also, not all Miqo'te are traditional. I am talking about only traditional Miqo'te.

Look at the U (Drake) tribe in the Sagolii. Sure they speak the common language, but they also don't like outsiders and prefer to try and maintain their traditions. There is no reason to think they are the only Sun Seeker tribe that is like that or even more isolationist and traditional.

In recent history many of the Moon Keepers were infamous poachers in the Twelveswood. It does say most have made peace with Gridania and some even call it their home now, but it didn't say ALL.

My point is, if someone wants to RP a Miqo'te who is a citizen of a city-state, speaks common Eorzean as a primary or only language, does not cling to traditions and is fully assimilated to urban society then fine; the lore supports that.

But if someone wants to RP a Miqo'te who grew up in a clan/tribe that clung to their traditions and lived a more isolated cultural lifestyle then the lore supports that too.

The lore seems to suggest that traditional Miqo'te societies are not doing well, but they still are out there. If a people are still living a more traditional lifestyle, I don't think its a stretch to say that these more traditional Miqo'te can have knowledge of a more traditional language. I hope I don't have to type the word "traditional" any more... Frustrated

Aysun · **12-16-2013, 08:39 AM**

(12-15-2013, 11:15 PM)Knight Kat Wrote:
(12-15-2013, 03:57 PM)Aysun Wrote:
(12-14-2013, 03:27 AM)Knight Kat Wrote: Ah well, it was worth asking I suppose.

You'd think that the traditional Miqo'te tribes and clans wouldn't be so quick to assimilate a common Eorzean language as their primary language. Also, Miqo'te names are so different from the common language's words that you'd think they would have to know at least a bit of the old language so that they can continue to give their children traditional names.Â

It's not been quick. Miqo'te have been in Eorzea for quite a long time. They migrated during the 5th Umbral era, between 1500 and 4000 years ago. They're not as primitive as most people like to assume.
But if someone wants to RP a Miqo'te who grew up in a clan/tribe that clung to their traditions and lived a more isolated cultural lifestyle then the lore supports that too.

The lore seems to suggest that traditional Miqo'te societies are not doing well, but they still are out there. If a people are still living a more traditional lifestyle, I don't think its a stretch to say that these more traditional Miqo'te can have knowledge of a more traditional language. I hope I don't have to type the word "traditional" any more...

Yea, the lore supports it both ways. There are a few Seekers out there that still actually live in a tribe (see U tribe). However, there is no evidence what so ever that the lore supports them still having things like their own language after being in Eorzea for so long. I guess if they were some isolated tribe in the ass end of Eorzea that we can't even access..? xD

Knight Kat · **12-16-2013, 11:08 PM**

True enough that the lore does not say that they have their own language, but so far, I haven't seen anything that denies the existence of it either.

Regardless of how long the Miqo'te have been in Eorzea, some could still have their own language. It doesn't matter how long its been if they maintained their own societies separate from the others.

Want a real world example? Do the Italians still speak an Italian language? Yes. How close are they to Greece, or France or Germany or Spain? Every country I mentioned still has their own language. How long have the people of Europe been on the same continent? And Europe is not a big continent. They are really close to each other. They all share histories of empires that conquered the whole continent at certain points, and yet, they still have soooo many languages. Yes, the languages have changed over last few thousand years, but they are still intact and different.

Eorzea is a single continent, not a single country. However, I will concede that it is not the real world. Its up to the devs on whether or not they wish to make an official language for the Miqo'te. I can't change it, but I can try to find a loop-hole if I want, and the devs have left a lot of loop-holes in the lore.

I Just want to clarify to whom it may concern, I am not looking for something to force other players to concede to. I am looking for a way to make my cat-girl different in a world of cat-girls. Not better, just a little bit unique maybe. I am exploring options, and I am frustrated by the often vague lore. Anyone is free to disagree with me ofcourse, but I am not looking to turn this into a debate. Debate threads go on and on and on and on with no end until one side gets tired and gives up because they don't want to argue anymore. As a result, I welcome any further input, but I will probably make this my last post on this thread for now.

C'kayah has already given me an option to explore, and I will do so until I or someone else, finds solid evidence in the lore that clearly says that all current Miqo'te in Eorzea speak one and only one language with nothing left of their traditional languages.

I hope I have not offended anyone, I honestly appreciate all replies to this thread and the input of everyone.

Aysun · **12-16-2013, 11:27 PM**

I just prefer to get my lore directly from the game instead of making too many assumptions or finding loopholes. That's just my personal preference, though. I don't care much what other people do, as long as it's not forced on me too. If your character started talking about Miqo'te languages, Aysun'd just look at her like she's nutso and we'd move on. Tongue

Personally, I think the best way to make your Miqo'te unique among the rest of them is to have the best personality ever, rather than pushing lore or backstory or some such. Smile

But everyone is free to do whatever they want that makes it fun for them.

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