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Karaan · **12-18-2013, 12:52 PM**

Another quick explication

Karaan Nolan (Main) is in the Harbinger of Dawn who is an good align company

In this thread, I'm talking about T'iathar Nunh, my alt who is not in the Harbinger Icly (I 'm in there because I want buff Tongue

or until I find a place to put this misogynist Nunh who see all Seeker of Sun Female like...enemy or thing (and I must insist on the Seeker of the Sun, my character have nothing against the Keeper of the Moon )

And yes, I find it funny that people are shock about the erp, but not about the fact that he wants to enslave and humiliate them.

And thanks Black Hat Smile

Rinh Hallani · **12-18-2013, 01:00 PM**

(12-18-2013, 12:52 PM)Karaan Wrote: And yes, I find it funny that people are shock about the erp, but not about the fact that he wants to enslave and humiliate them.

Actually, that is what I'm shocked about. I couldn't care less if people ERP so long as they don't do it in public.

ArmachiA · **12-18-2013, 01:39 PM**

If you wanna ERP that is your business, but I don't think you should advertise it.

I also am shocked about the humiliation and enslavement. If you need to do that, do it to NPCs don't advertise for people to put their characters in that kind of position. It feels fetish-y

Whittledown · **12-18-2013, 01:42 PM**

(12-18-2013, 01:39 PM)ArmachiA Wrote: If you wanna ERP that is your business, but I don't think you should advertise it.

I also am shocked about the humiliation and enslavement. If you need to do that, do it to NPCs don't advertise for people to put their characters in that kind of position. It feels fetish-y

I think this thread has been pretty clear that this is not an ERP request.Â From my reading these are characters to be played once, maybe twice as a part of a transaction like extras in a movie.

K'nahli · **12-18-2013, 01:49 PM**

I think people are shocked by the search for ERP not because its ERP, but the fact that ERP is the actual goal. There is no depth or interesting development that can come from it so people tend to just think that anyone looking for it is just seeking the perverse side of it all. I am also of this mindset. Here, I'll give you an example.

Quote:Two miqo'te that left their tribe, were useless at hunting and had no noteworthy skills so then turned to prostitution to make money. This has a possible story because its not something they particularly want to do rather than were forced to and they could eventually rise out of it and ultimately, erp was not their actual goal.

This sounds reasonable to me. I'd hate the thought of the people you'd encounter doing such a thing but overall it seems fine.

This topic on the other hand, no. The goal is ERP itself and I cannot see any interesting RP in this.

Sidestepping that, what I wanted to say was that I don't understand where you are getting this idea that sunseeker females are just sex slaves for nuhns. You make it sounds as if they are obligated to do it no matter what and there is nothing more to their being.

As a final note, I got confused somewhere through the topic. I'm not sure if this was actually the point after all, despite the title and OP's suggestive posts but just consider this reply to be an explanation if that was the case, as so many people at least seem to think it is.

Evie · **12-18-2013, 02:44 PM**

I would like to mention that the slave trade is infact part of Eorzean Lore. So the idea that there would be people interested in buying or trading slaves, ICly, should not come as a surprise. If you don't believe me go level the Arcanist. Also, just because a person has there character doing something involving something of this nature that bother many OOCly does not mean that the person behind the character supports slavery OOCly.

Just reading this thread there seem to be too many people up in arms over RP. Keep IC in IC and OOC in OOC. Also

(12-18-2013, 06:36 AM)Karaan Wrote: So no I'm not looking for some ERP thing...

The person who is being accused of advertising for ERP states right in a post saying he is NOT looking for ERP. That was not the original purpose for the post, yes it could have started off explained a bit better, but hindsight is 20/20.

Lost River · **12-18-2013, 02:48 PM**

Oi, look at all da silly mow mows!

Extras in a movie, too bad there are no sexy slave outfits to wear, then you can cosplay as a slave Miqo'te later.

Only Miqo'te can apply though?

Anstarra · **12-18-2013, 03:00 PM**

(12-18-2013, 01:49 PM)Knahli Wrote: I think people are shocked by the search for ERP not because its ERP, but the fact that ERP is the actual goal. There is no depth or interesting development that can come from it so people tend to just think that anyone looking for it is just seeking the perverse side of it all. I am also of this mindset. Here, I'll give you an example.

Quote:Two miqo'te that left their tribe, were useless at hunting and had no noteworthy skills so then turned to prostitution to make money. This has a possible story because its not something they particularly want to do rather than were forced to and they could eventually rise out of it and ultimately, erp was not their actual goal.

This sounds reasonable to me. I'd hate the thought of the people you'd encounter doing such a thing but overall it seems fine.

This topic on the other hand, no. The goal is ERP itself and I cannot see any interesting RP in this.

Sidestepping that, what I wanted to say was that I don't understand where you are getting this idea that sunseeker females are just sex slaves for nuhns. You make it sounds as if they are obligated to do it no matter what and there is nothing more to their being.

As a final note, I got confused somewhere through the topic. I'm not sure if this was actually the point after all, despite the title and OP's suggestive posts but just consider this reply to be an explanation if that was the case, as so many people at least seem to think it is.

Hmm.

The thread's not about ERP, this was clarified repeatedly.

Nowhere does it insinuate that the Seekers in question would not be coerced into slavery; we're not talking him standing there and saying I'm a Nunh, obey me, and they do it. No. We're talking enslavement. Bad stuff, but legit from an RP standpoint.

Like everyone, you're free to have your opinion on ERP. I personally don't have a problem with it even if it is the focus of a story, because in real life, sex is often the end goal, not a detail. Of course, it's much-enriched and far more satisfying if it's part of something more. Sex on its own is boring, too, compared to lovemaking in a relationship.

But this thread isn't about sex or ERP anyway, so I guess there's no point in standing on a soapbox and shouting my opinion about it more than I have ;D

Anstarra · **12-18-2013, 03:04 PM**

(12-18-2013, 02:44 PM)Evie Wrote: The person who is being accused of advertising for ERP states right in a post saying he is NOT looking for ERP. That was not the original purpose for the post, yes it could have started off explained a bit better, but hindsight is 20/20.

To be fair, the person who made the thread isn't that same person... and the maker of the thread did not know whether it was for ERP or not XD I think she might've assumed it was, just to be safe... or banked on the shock value of the base concept (and our collective imaginations) to draw attention. Looks like it worked ;b Certainly it's easy to ASSUME it's about ERP... which is why I'm glad they came and clarified, later.

But gawd, the way people get up in arms about ERP... lol.

ArmachiA · **12-18-2013, 04:38 PM**

Man I ain't up in arms about ERP. I just think it's tasteless to advertise about it publically. I'm not saying THIS is, though it sounded like it, I'm just putting my oppinion out there on advertising for erp.

This sounded like an advertisement for it, I was pretty surprised when the player came in and said it was not Tongue

As roleplayers we all know ERP happens, and more of us do it than we would like to admit.

ansemaru · **12-18-2013, 04:52 PM**

...okay, when I thought this was just about ERP, I thought this was tacky. The actual explanation is way worse than "oh I'm playing the big Nunh on campus and want a sexy harem of sexy catgirls".

Like, to clarify, I'm not against ERP. I suppose that point might have gotten lost when sparky_ff7f had his thread deleted and my comments there were lost, but ultimately, it's a facet of roleplaying and something people enjoy. It's not my business to tell people to not ERP or anything like that. What I'm against is people trying to treat other people like objects to be traded, whether it's a sex thing or a power thing. This is the latter, and that's straight-up nasty.

C'kayah Polaali · **12-18-2013, 04:55 PM**

I've started aÂ new threadÂ to talk about ERP, so we can leave this one for R'mah's original purpose of finding extras.

Come on over and argue!Â Angel

LiadansWhisper · **12-18-2013, 05:08 PM**

(12-18-2013, 04:52 PM)ansemaru Wrote: ...okay, when I thought this was just about ERP, I thought this was tacky. The actual explanation is way worse than "oh I'm playing the big Nunh on campus and want a sexy harem of sexy catgirls".

Like, to clarify, I'm not against ERP. I suppose that point might have gotten lost when sparky_ff7f had his thread deleted and my comments there were lost, but ultimately, it's a facet of roleplaying and something people enjoy. It's not my business to tell people to not ERP or anything like that. What I'm against is people trying to treat other people like objects to be traded, whether it's a sex thing or a power thing. This is the latter, and that's straight-up nasty.

It's also a part of the setting. Â Slavery is a terrible thing, and we know from quest text and lore that it happens every day in Eorzea.

Siha · **12-18-2013, 05:14 PM**

Personally I find nothing wrong with this Arc they are wanting to do, slavery IS wrong but you have to remember it's RP here. Just because they're RPing it doesn't meant that they personally like it outside of that, it's very clearly an arc and the reason I believe it was posted was to ask if anyone else would like to get involved. I doubt they were going to play out scenes that others were uncomfortable with in a public setting so I suppose I don't understand why it is necessary to drop a bomb on their advertisement for this.

Like so many have said before, if you don't like it, then don't read it. It's just as simple as that I think. And I'm not meaning to sound rude to anyone that IS offended by such a concept but they're not making anyone join this, they are simply looking for those would WOULD want to willingly be involved in something like this for the sake of a villain arc and drama for all involved should be rightfully kept IC.

Kismet · **12-18-2013, 05:22 PM**

The discussion of ERP and how it's viewed, blahblablah... I'm not going to touch any of that. I am going to touch on a couple of other things, though. (No innuendo intended, lol.)

(12-18-2013, 06:36 AM)Karaan Wrote: Since I'm the player of that Nunh and people start assuming some...weird thing I have to clarify

My character doesn't want to -breed- or have anything with them. He mostly hate the female Miqo'te Seeker of the Sun because they never accept him as a Nunh when he challenge the last one and win. They said that he cheated his way into becoming a Nunh. So now he is on a mission to mostly humiliate all of them. He will use them to trade with slaver or anything else he can do to -remove- the pleasure and the freedom of those women.

So no I'm not looking for some ERP thing...

If all that was the case, then WHY did the opening post of this thread go like this:

(12-14-2013, 07:23 PM)R'mah Wrote: So, Ive got Nunh im dealing with ICÂ and he only takes payments in the form of Female Miqot'e if you know what i mean.

Not to mention that two later statements supposedly claimed:

(12-15-2013, 11:35 PM)R'mah Wrote: lol,Â if you dont know what i mean, than your not the right 'woman' for the jobÂ

(12-18-2013, 10:10 AM)R'mah Wrote: Also to clarify, I had no idea what he wanted them for. I reqired his services and he demand kitty girls.

If you had no idea what he wanted them for, then why did you say these things? You barely discussed anything with the person you're trying to collect NPCs for? All of the phrasing you used seemed to imply something of the "bow-chika-bow-wow" nature, whether that was the intent or not. If you didn't know what Karaan wanted, then why post up a thread? Collect all of the necessary information first, then make your thread. Otherwise, people will jump to conclusions like they did. It doesn't get more basic than that.

Also... If the Nuhn in question is Karaan's character, and Karaan is the one who needed these characters to help further whatever plots you guys are collaborating on... then why didn't Karaan just make the thread himself? He would've explained his TRUE intentions way better than R'mah apparently did. And it would be one less thread to add to the several that R'mah has tossed up in the past couple of days. (Seriously, just compile EVERYTHING you want into a single thread. It's confusing and disorganized.)

My point is that if he had made the thread and phrased what he wanted exactly how he wanted it, or if he had given R'mah better instruction, the notion of ERP would not have arisen like it did. (I'm not saying it wouldn't have arisen at all, mind you. People still usually jump to the conclusion of "slave trade RP = ERP, herpderp!" like it or not. But if the lack of ERP was stated from the very beginning, we wouldn't be here right now.)

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