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R'mah · **12-18-2013, 05:49 PM**

Actully, I had the same assumption as everyone else. Which is the reason it was worded how it was. As for why I made the thread, you don't ask someone your paying to go find the payment there self. As for why I didn't ask more question, its not something my character dose and I was busy working on other ooc preperations. As for why I made many threads for my arc in planning, I wanted it to be easy to find the people who were intrested in preticipating when I had the chance to send them a message. As for the advertising it in this way, the nuhn in question would not accept my character as part of the agreement and I thought /tell ing random people wuold likely get complaints raised against me in game.

Evie · **12-18-2013, 06:19 PM**

Another point that I think needs to be brought up. The RP forums are for RPers to get together and share ideas. As an RP community, even if you don't like an idea, you shouldn't tear apart a person from wanting to RP a certain way.

So slavery and torture really rubs you the wrong way when you RP. Fine, you are not required to RP such subjects. However that doesn't mean that you can't participate if the subject matter bothers you. We're all people and I guarantee a majority of us are really good, kind, and decent human beings. You can still participate, if something starts going a way you are uncomfortable with tell them. If they are decent RPers and beings they will stop. If they aren't, they aren't worth RPing with anyways and blacklist them. I would hazard a guess that there isn't a single person on this website who would continue to torture someone in RP if the person says OOC "(Hey I really can't handle this. Can we stop here and just assume XYZ happened? And then continue with the after the fact.)" It's the same concept if you are RPing a serious relationship with someone but you are uncomfortable actually ERPing, then you can use the "Fade to Black". If the person is a good RPer, they will respect your wishes and the RP needs to go no further with that particular subject.

The world is not a nice place in lore, there is examples of slavery and necromancy and probably much more. As fellow RPers we need to respect other RPers even if the direction of their particular story doesn't go down something that we'd normally participate in. You are not required to participate if something like the subject matter bothers you, but if you choose to have a serious discussion with the other RPers so you know what to expect and what you can or can't handle in the RP. There will be ways to work things out if you really want to RP with certain people.

I have done the Fade to Black several times over the course of my RPing. I have this really good friend who certain subjects bothered him in RP and when they came up, he'd just ask if we could stop there and pick up after. Nothing was lost, nothing was missed. We both really enjoyed our RP experiences together and created some amazing RP in the process.

Again we are here to support each other, there's plenty of people on the servers who don't support RPers (apparently there was a fight in shout in one of the main cities last night about how Balmung "isn't an RP server so people shouldn't RP"). So why start those fights here among are selves when we should be supporting each other as RPers.

Faye · **12-18-2013, 07:30 PM**

First of all, I want to say that Karaan has been my friend and RP partner for over a year. I can tell you all the he isn't some kind of weird pervert, that he doesn't ERP (though there isn't anything inherently wrong with ERP, for the record), and that his RP's are developed and interesting with very elaborate plots. I would also like to mention that everything sexual or uncomfortable does not need to be played out--that you can "fade to black" instead. R'mah posted this thread instead of Karaan because she is the one looking for the female Seekers. Her character is the one delivering them to his character as payment.

For those freaking out about the content matter--if you don't like it, don't participate. Role-play is fiction. We are not our characters, and most of us enjoy playing characters who are very different than our real selves. Good villains make RP interesting. Just like there are foul people in the world, there should be foul people in the RP. Things like slavery, abuse, violence, rape, murder, etc. add a gritty sense of realism to the RP, darkness and drama. If you don't want to include any of those things in your RP, that's perfectly fine! Just realize this thread is looking for willing volunteers who know beforehand what they are getting into.

Kismet · **12-18-2013, 08:05 PM**

Alright, I can understandÂ she is the one doing the scouting. That's fine. The fact that she should have received better information of what Karaan needed still stands, though.

She can argue "my character wouldn't be the type to ask a lot of questions" or whatever, but you kind of can't organize something like this without a better description. I'm not saying you have to give the entire plot away. But do potential recruits need more than "I have a guy that seeks payment in the form of ladies, wink wink" to go on? Yes.

At the VERY least, the phrasing of it could've used some more tact.

Note: Just wanted to state, again, that I do not care about the ERP thing at all. I'm just talking about how a misunderstanding easily could have been avoided if someone just bothered to ask a question or two...

LiadansWhisper · **12-18-2013, 08:10 PM**

Even if it was for ERP, why does anyone care?

If you don't want to be involved, don't be. Â If you do want to be involved, be involved! Â Otherwise, this seems like a lot of judgmental silliness. Â Dodgy

ArmachiA · **12-18-2013, 08:27 PM**

It's a forum, we're allowed to voice whether or not we think it's squicky. Maybe they don't realize it's kinda Squicky and everyone going "This is weird" will make them put a little more thought into it, because that first post is not clear at all.

Faye · **12-18-2013, 08:37 PM**

What Liadan said. It's not "squicky." Would it matter if it was? If you don't want to do it, don't. This thread was asking for volunteers, not for opinions.

LiadansWhisper · **12-18-2013, 09:11 PM**

(12-18-2013, 08:27 PM)ArmachiA Wrote: It's a forum, we're allowed to voice whether or not we think it's squicky. Maybe they don't realize it's kinda Squicky and everyone going "This is weird" will make them put a little more thought into it, because that first post is not clear at all.

This is totally true!

However, I reserve the right to say that people who get butthurt about ERP (again, not saying that you are) are silly.

R'mah · **12-18-2013, 09:12 PM**

I think the main point is, everyone has the option not to click on the thread if they don't care for the title. The title was worded to grab attention and that it did.

Michikyou · **12-19-2013, 12:35 AM**

(12-18-2013, 05:08 PM)LiadansWhisper Wrote:
(12-18-2013, 04:52 PM)ansemaru Wrote: ...okay, when I thought this was just about ERP, I thought this was tacky. The actual explanation is way worse than "oh I'm playing the big Nunh on campus and want a sexy harem of sexy catgirls".

Like, to clarify, I'm not against ERP. I suppose that point might have gotten lost when sparky_ff7f had his thread deleted and my comments there were lost, but ultimately, it's a facet of roleplaying and something people enjoy. It's not my business to tell people to not ERP or anything like that. What I'm against is people trying to treat other people like objects to be traded, whether it's a sex thing or a power thing. This is the latter, and that's straight-up nasty.

It's also a part of the setting. Â Slavery is a terrible thing, and we know from quest text and lore that it happens every day in Eorzea.

Slaveyr is a terrible thing, but it is a social norm in eorzea so we should act icly as if it is normal. We can bee against it but that isn't the massive norm.

I don't see why people can't seperate their IC and OOC feelings about matters like this.

As for the ERP RP? who cares? Sex is a part of lfe. I doubt she/he is going to spend most of ehr time confined in a seperate space to erp all day. ERP is such a little miniscule part of a characters romance it doesnt define them.

Naunet · **12-19-2013, 02:50 AM**

(12-19-2013, 12:35 AM)Naih Wrote: Slaveyr is a terrible thing, but it is a social norm in eorzea so we should act icly as if it is normal. We can bee against it but that isn't the massive norm.

I would not go quite so far as to say slavery is a "social norm" in Eorzea. I'd reckon is has just as much stigma to reasonable Eorzeans as it does for most people in real life. That doesn't mean slavery doesn't exist, but I'm fairly certain it is illegal.

Michikyou · **12-19-2013, 03:11 AM**

(12-19-2013, 02:50 AM)Naunet Wrote:
(12-19-2013, 12:35 AM)Naih Wrote: Slaveyr is a terrible thing, but it is a social norm in eorzea so we should act icly as if it is normal. We can bee against it but that isn't the massive norm.

I would not go quite so far as to say slavery is a "social norm" in Eorzea. I'd reckon is has just as much stigma to reasonable Eorzeans as it does for most people in real life. That doesn't mean slavery doesn't exist, but I'm fairly certain it is illegal.

xD guess I have new lore to hunt for in game when I log back in.

I'm more amused by the fact that as soon as any person starts asking for 'Female X race', the whole community explodes with 'ERP is bad' or 'ERP is not bad!'. Its childish. Like trying to teach children how to say Vagina or Penis without them giggling.

Ilwe'ran · **12-19-2013, 04:35 AM**

I find quite disturbing that the one who is (in the end) looking for some female Seeker only did answer after 3 days and 32 messages.
During all that time, people were thinking about eRP but that's not the problem. Problem is people could (and probably did) contact some others without knowing what will really happen to them. I believe that being humiliated, sold, treated as a slave, even only in RP, can be quite disturbing if you don't know in what situation you're going to be engaged and think, instead, that it will be eRP.

It's always important to keep in mind that there are people behind the character and you have to be perfectly clear OOC for those kind of things before ending to restrain another player freedom to say yes or no to a situation. With so few informations at the begining (with or without conclusion about eRP) you can end to restrain someone else freedom, disturb him or completly break their character.
This is why I will always be against some rape in RP. For the simple reason that not respecting the freedom of the other player to say yes or no to some RP is completly disrespectful and problematic for me (of course, it isn't if the player agreed OOC).

I have no problem with the fact that some character want to do something bad to another IC. I have if the informations are not crystal clear and if, in the end, someone get in a situation he wouldn't like to be. So, if you really want to do something hurtful to another one IC (even if it's only RP), don't forget to be crystal clear in your intentions and don't wait 3 days, 33 messages and a lot of misunderstanding to finally talk.

PS : I completly agree with Kismet, the reason why people misunderstood is not because they are idiots, it's because of the one that made the topic who confused everybody in the first place.

Evie · **12-19-2013, 11:36 AM**

This may be just me, but if I'm interested in RP I generally talk to the person who is planning it and ask questions of them first. I want to make sure that the RP will be enjoyable for not only me but also for them and if our characters are completely not going to mesh then I'll say "You know, as much as I want to do this, I don't think it's good for my character. I wish you luck in finding someone more appropriate." It is an online experience. There is no one there in the room with you forcing you to do something you don't want to. If things happen RPly that you don't like, walk away. If someone tries to force you to RP, blacklist them. If they continue in the RP despite saying stop report them for harassment. There are so many things that you can do to protect yourself against harassing RP. If someone tries to get you to do something you don't want ret-con meeting that character and have it as if it never happens. You draw the lines and there should be NO WAY possible for someone to force you to RP something you don't want to.

(12-19-2013, 04:35 AM)Ilweran Wrote: I find quite disturbing that the one who is (in the end) looking for some female Seeker only did answer after 3 days and 32 messages.

Also with this you are assuming that the person, Karaan, who wants the female characters in the end actually checks this website regularly. Maybe he doesn't and only got on because someone mentioned it to him.

Karaan · **12-19-2013, 12:09 PM**

I mostly check everyday this website, but this week it is my final week (exam and paper and oral and shit..and no fund I want a die Mommy!) kind of week. So I didn't check on it until yesterday when I saw...well all those messages...

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